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ImLawBoy wrote:Since you're pretty much the mirror image of Rip, I wouldn't expect you to be able to identify them.Jeff V wrote:I thought that was just a historical footnote? You mean they still exist? You've actually seen one in the wild?ImLawBoy wrote: I call these "reasonable Republicans" or "sane Republicans".
Well, I certainly don't see them posting on my Facebook feed.ImLawBoy wrote:Since you're pretty much the mirror image of Rip, I wouldn't expect you to be able to identify them.Jeff V wrote:I thought that was just a historical footnote? You mean they still exist? You've actually seen one in the wild?ImLawBoy wrote: I call these "reasonable Republicans" or "sane Republicans".
Again, welcome to Idiocracy 2: The Idioting.Skinypupy wrote:Trump implies that he would use military action against Mexico to get them to pay to build his ridiculous wall.
Every time I think it can't possibly get any more insane...
These days?hepcat wrote:I think my biggest gripe right now is this increasing trend by Trump and others to say whatever hateful shit they want...and then claim they're only guilty of not being politically correct when called on it.
You can apparently scream whatever you want at people these days...and if they ask you to stop, they're the problem.
Again, welcome to Idiocracy 2: The Idioting.Skinypupy wrote:Trump implies that he would use military action against Mexico to get them to pay to build his ridiculous wall.
Every time I think it can't possibly get any more insane...
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-br ... 2016-03-11Max Peck wrote:The market isn't waiting for the election.GreenGoo wrote:Absolutely. If Trump maintains his insanity right up to the election, I expect the markets to be pretty unstable. If he wins, I expect the markets to experience a significant drop.Zarathud wrote:Bullshit. Markets need stability and feel good.
The market doesn't like unknowns or unpredictability.Add the juggernaut that is Donald J. Trump to the list of what-ifs that is worrying Wall Street. A growing realization that the unpredictable New York real estate developer is in a position to win the Republican nomination and then battle Hillary Clinton for the White House in November's election has caused some investors to sell U.S. stocks. They fear having such a wild-card president could trigger trade wars, hurt the economy and add a lot of market volatility. "As the market rarely feasts on lack of predictability - Trump represents a nightmare for investors this year," said hedge fund manager Douglas Kass of Seabreeze Partners Management Inc, who said last week that he was adding to his existing short bet on the U.S. stock market in part because of Trump's increasingly strong position in the race.
Trump's statements on business and Wall Street don't neatly fit into one ideological worldview, but if anything, they are seen as isolationist in a globally connected world. He can also suddenly pick on businesses over various issues, such as his call for a boycott of Apple Inc’s (AAPL.O) products after the tech giant refused to help the FBI unlock the iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino shooters. "The election this year is the height of uncertainty," said Phil Orlando, a senior portfolio manager and chief equity strategist at Federated Investors in New York, which manages $351 billion. He said political concerns - personified by Trump's emergence as a frontrunner - are one of the main reasons why he began reducing equity exposure in mid-January.
Voters haven't given a party three consecutive WH terms since Reagan/Bush. Ignoring the outlier FDR's four terms, the last time a Democrat succeeded another Democrat in the WH was James Buchanan (succeeded Franklin Pierce), and the last time a D succeeded a two-term D was Martin Van Buren following Andrew Jackson.GreenGoo wrote:I will say that the US is fairly good at making sure neither party is in the Whitehouse for too long.Rip wrote: To The White House.
In a good sign for Democrats, Obama's approval rating just surpassed 50% for the first time in years (scoring 51% in one poll and 52% in another). That's higher than Reagan's 50% at the end of his presidency. Historically, the incumbent party can't win if the president's approval is underwater.Rip wrote:But even if you want to say it would be reaping the profits from Obama's great job().
At no point in that article does anyone try to defend racist comments by stating they hate political correctness. You're yet again bringing up something irrelevant to try and make a different point that has nothing to do with what you're replying to.
So much for your belief Obama is a bad president!
The market has been rocky but not down since Trumps run. It took a shit last June and has been rocky but ultimately sort of flat since then and it's been up (relative to recent history) for about two weeks. However, long that will last.Max Peck wrote:The market isn't waiting for the election.GreenGoo wrote:Absolutely. If Trump maintains his insanity right up to the election, I expect the markets to be pretty unstable. If he wins, I expect the markets to experience a significant drop.Zarathud wrote:Bullshit. Markets need stability and feel good.
The market doesn't like unknowns or unpredictability.Add the juggernaut that is Donald J. Trump to the list of what-ifs that is worrying Wall Street. A growing realization that the unpredictable New York real estate developer is in a position to win the Republican nomination and then battle Hillary Clinton for the White House in November's election has caused some investors to sell U.S. stocks. They fear having such a wild-card president could trigger trade wars, hurt the economy and add a lot of market volatility. "As the market rarely feasts on lack of predictability - Trump represents a nightmare for investors this year," said hedge fund manager Douglas Kass of Seabreeze Partners Management Inc, who said last week that he was adding to his existing short bet on the U.S. stock market in part because of Trump's increasingly strong position in the race.
Trump's statements on business and Wall Street don't neatly fit into one ideological worldview, but if anything, they are seen as isolationist in a globally connected world. He can also suddenly pick on businesses over various issues, such as his call for a boycott of Apple Inc’s (AAPL.O) products after the tech giant refused to help the FBI unlock the iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino shooters. "The election this year is the height of uncertainty," said Phil Orlando, a senior portfolio manager and chief equity strategist at Federated Investors in New York, which manages $351 billion. He said political concerns - personified by Trump's emergence as a frontrunner - are one of the main reasons why he began reducing equity exposure in mid-January.
Rip wrote: There is a huge number of people fed up with being told they are wrong and their views are unacceptable and dismiss them.
... there isn't a whole lot Trump could say that will deter them voting for him.
The Jerry Springer generation has arrived.
LordMortis wrote:Rip wrote: There is a huge number of people fed up with being told they are wrong and their views are unacceptable and dismiss them.
Aye. Homosexuals. Pot Smokers. Muslims. Most "Minorities." to name a few.
The point of the article isn't that the market is down now, but that at least some institutional investors are already positioning themselves to mitigate the fallout of a Trump victory (i.e. they aren't waiting for the election).LordMortis wrote:The market has been rocky but not down since Trumps run. It took a shit last June and has been rocky but ultimately sort of flat since then and it's been up (relative to recent history) for about two weeks. However, long that will last.
No, they are calling people racists without needing them to say anything racist. SO why not say racist things if you are going to be called a racist no matter what? It is a direct response tohepcat wrote:At no point in that article does anyone try to defend racist comments by stating they hate political correctness. You're yet again bringing up something irrelevant to try and make a different point that has nothing to do with what you're replying to.
In other words, you're Ripping again.
That was a perfect example of scream crazy shit and then when people ask you to stop you call them the problem. Nothing "these days" about that conduct. It has been a standard Democrat tactic since I was born. Every single black Republican has been called an Uncle Tom for as long as I can remember. As with all name calling fights both sides see their name calling as justified or simply turnabout is fair play. Amazing to me that you guys see it so quickly across the aisle yet are blind to it from your own side.You can apparently scream whatever you want at people these days...and if they ask you to stop, they're the problem.
Oh he sucks, and I don't think for a moment it will continue, but it could. When/if it does it doesn't have crap to do with who is/was POTUS. Just refuting the point that stocks are in the tank in anticipation of a Trump presidency which is ridiculous.hepcat wrote:So much for your belief Obama is a bad president!
<Hey look, I just Ripped one!>
You refuted a point that wasn't made (there is just a bit of a difference between investors taking action now and "stocks are tanking" now). Well done, sir!Rip wrote:Oh he sucks, and I don't think for a moment it will continue, but it could. When/if it does it doesn't have crap to do with who is/was POTUS. Just refuting the point that stocks are in the tank in anticipation of a Trump presidency which is ridiculous.
I'm sure. Unfortunately for them they don't have the votes. Despite that they have made much progress. The thing is the support for controlling illegal immigration and getting tough on those sponsoring terrorism is YUGE! Those people have been told for some time that it would be dealt with as it has gotten steadily worse and crap like the gang of eight bill, Iran treaty, support of Muslim Brotherhood has made it obvious they were just being lied to.LordMortis wrote:The market has been rocky but not down since Trumps run. It took a shit last June and has been rocky but ultimately sort of flat since then and it's been up (relative to recent history) for about two weeks. However, long that will last.Max Peck wrote:The market isn't waiting for the election.GreenGoo wrote:Absolutely. If Trump maintains his insanity right up to the election, I expect the markets to be pretty unstable. If he wins, I expect the markets to experience a significant drop.Zarathud wrote:Bullshit. Markets need stability and feel good.
The market doesn't like unknowns or unpredictability.Add the juggernaut that is Donald J. Trump to the list of what-ifs that is worrying Wall Street. A growing realization that the unpredictable New York real estate developer is in a position to win the Republican nomination and then battle Hillary Clinton for the White House in November's election has caused some investors to sell U.S. stocks. They fear having such a wild-card president could trigger trade wars, hurt the economy and add a lot of market volatility. "As the market rarely feasts on lack of predictability - Trump represents a nightmare for investors this year," said hedge fund manager Douglas Kass of Seabreeze Partners Management Inc, who said last week that he was adding to his existing short bet on the U.S. stock market in part because of Trump's increasingly strong position in the race.
Trump's statements on business and Wall Street don't neatly fit into one ideological worldview, but if anything, they are seen as isolationist in a globally connected world. He can also suddenly pick on businesses over various issues, such as his call for a boycott of Apple Inc’s (AAPL.O) products after the tech giant refused to help the FBI unlock the iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino shooters. "The election this year is the height of uncertainty," said Phil Orlando, a senior portfolio manager and chief equity strategist at Federated Investors in New York, which manages $351 billion. He said political concerns - personified by Trump's emergence as a frontrunner - are one of the main reasons why he began reducing equity exposure in mid-January.
All that aside. I don't you average Trump voter cares about the market. Right or wrong.
Rip wrote: There is a huge number of people fed up with being told they are wrong and their views are unacceptable and dismiss them.
Aye. Homosexuals. Pot Smokers. Muslims. Most "Minorities." to name a few.
Hairdressers?Defiant wrote:Just for the record, Trump has insulted: Mexicans, Women, Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Asians, Prisoners of War, The Disabled, Univision, The Pope, the other Presidential candidates, Iowans, the mathematical concept of a majority and our intelligence.
Did I miss anything?
Wait, you think the "Jerry Springer generation" is basing their voting positions on things like the Gang of Eight, Iran treaty, and some claimed support of the Muslim Brotherhood?Rip wrote:The thing is the support for controlling illegal immigration and getting tough on those sponsoring terrorism is YUGE! Those people have been told for some time that it would be dealt with as it has gotten steadily worse and crap like the gang of eight bill, Iran treaty, support of Muslim Brotherhood has made it obvious they were just being lied to.
Geez, you're right. It's probably pretty insulting for me to have labeled these folks as the "Jerry Springer generation".Rip wrote:Telling them it is for their own good because they are too stupid/religious/racist to know any better has dissolved any trust that has existed.
Careful! Calling them the animals doesn't really show much respect for their well thought out views and rational justifications for why they're supporting a racist demagogue!Rip wrote:Takes a lot to have so many people showing more trust in Trump than they do in the party leaders from either side. The animals are seizing control of the zoo.
I'm not running for anything so I am free to insult even more people than Trump. In my opinion a majority of the voters on both sides of the aisle are morons. But heck, backseat driving has always been one of my best skills.ImLawBoy wrote:Wait, you think the "Jerry Springer generation" is basing their voting positions on things like the Gang of Eight, Iran treaty, and some claimed support of the Muslim Brotherhood?Rip wrote:The thing is the support for controlling illegal immigration and getting tough on those sponsoring terrorism is YUGE! Those people have been told for some time that it would be dealt with as it has gotten steadily worse and crap like the gang of eight bill, Iran treaty, support of Muslim Brotherhood has made it obvious they were just being lied to.
Geez, you're right. It's probably pretty insulting for me to have labeled these folks as the "Jerry Springer generation".Rip wrote:Telling them it is for their own good because they are too stupid/religious/racist to know any better has dissolved any trust that has existed.
Careful! Calling them the animals doesn't really show much respect for their well thought out views and rational justifications for why they're supporting a racist demagogue!Rip wrote:Takes a lot to have so many people showing more trust in Trump than they do in the party leaders from either side. The animals are seizing control of the zoo.
Who are "you guys"? I've never voted for a Democrat in a national election in my life.Rip wrote:You guys love compromise.....right?
All options this year involve selling your soul, IMHO.ImLawBoy wrote:Who are "you guys"? I've never voted for a Democrat in a national election in my life.Rip wrote:You guys love compromise.....right?
That said, compromise is great. Unless that compromise involves selling your soul.
Good one! You didn't even miss a beat. I almost envy how you can respond to anything with an irrelevant misdirection that ends up being your standard "Democrats are just as bad!" no matter what the topic.Rip wrote:Standard Ripping.
Rip wrote:
Let's not forget I'm not for Trump.
Whoever Rip feels he can irritate the most? He admitted ages it's not about honest discourse for him when he steps into R&P. It's all about getting a rise out of someone.ImLawBoy wrote:Who are "you guys"?Rip wrote:You guys love compromise.....right?
It is true no matter the topic.hepcat wrote:Good one! You didn't even miss a beat. I almost envy how you can respond to anything with an irrelevant misdirection that ends up being your standard "Democrats are just as bad!" no matter what the topic.Rip wrote:Standard Ripping.
Voted for Cruz in the primary.Rip wrote:
Let's not forget I'm not for Trump.
Whoever Rip feels he can irritate the most? He admitted ages it's not about honest discourse for him when he steps into R&P. It's all about getting a rise out of someone.ImLawBoy wrote:Who are "you guys"?Rip wrote:You guys love compromise.....right?
Famed hot dog stand The Wieners Circle will welcome Donald Trump to Chicago this weekend by selling 3-inch-long hot dogs, its owners announced Thursday.
All day Friday, Saturday and Sunday, the stand at 2622 N. Clark St. will offer the microdogs in three bundles. Customers can buy a "Trump footlong," (one dog) a "Trump package" (two dogs) or a "Trump Super PAC" (four dogs with fries and a drink).
Nope. I suspect this will result in Trump supporters crashing rallies for others and acting the same way. Then people will ask why, as if it wasn't obvious.PLW wrote:Apparently the Trump got Hecker's Vetoed tonight. Trump is an idiot, but I'm not OK with this.
We know, we know.Rip wrote: I just parrot Trump carte blanche.
I think he said to get them out of here, talking to his security. Please don't force me to defend Trump just by getting into a debate with me. WE SHOULD NOT BE GOING AND PROTESTING OTHER PEOPLE'S POLITICAL RALLIES, and we DAMN SURE shouldn't be going and shouting down/causing violence/disrupting other people's political rallies.hepcat wrote:Don't tell your supporters to beat up anyone who protests and maybe people won't show up with that much anger to your rallies. As for shouting protests at rallies, that's hardly new.
Trump is the center of this storm of over the top and violent behavior. Hopefully he'll blow out to sea soon.
Like father, like son?Anonymous Bosch wrote:Romney certainly didn't pull any punches with his speech denouncing Trump:
CNN wrote:(CNN)—Mitt Romney delivered a sweeping broadside against Donald Trump on Thursday, laying into the Republican presidential front-runner with a sharper attack than any of the party's 2016 contenders have made against the billionaire business mogul.
"Here's what I know: Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud," Romney said. "His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He's playing members of the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House, and all we get is a lousy hat."
Romney said that "dishonesty is Donald Trump's hallmark," pointing to his "bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third-grade theatrics."
The game changes when your political rallies are comprised mainly of thinly veiled racism and unbridled xenophobia.msduncan wrote:WE SHOULD NOT BE GOING AND PROTESTING OTHER PEOPLE'S POLITICAL RALLIES, and we DAMN SURE shouldn't be going and shouting down/causing violence/disrupting other people's political rallies.
It's going to be spun every which way, but the reality is that it was a tense but not mostly non-violent atmosphere until after the rally was cancelled preemptively. Then some fights broke out. I don't see anything wrong with people gathering to protest anything, certainly not a political rally at a state-funded university. In fact, I'd have a problem with any prohibition on gathering to protest the rally. I do have a problem with intimidation and violence. But like I said, most accounts and evidence is that there was no violence until after it was called off and they tried to get everyone to disperse.msduncan wrote:I think he said to get them out of here, talking to his security. Please don't force me to defend Trump just by getting into a debate with me. WE SHOULD NOT BE GOING AND PROTESTING OTHER PEOPLE'S POLITICAL RALLIES, and we DAMN SURE shouldn't be going and shouting down/causing violence/disrupting other people's political rallies.hepcat wrote:Don't tell your supporters to beat up anyone who protests and maybe people won't show up with that much anger to your rallies. As for shouting protests at rallies, that's hardly new.
Trump is the center of this storm of over the top and violent behavior. Hopefully he'll blow out to sea soon.
