The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:55 pm

Troll harder.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 5:12 pm

em2nought wrote:
RunningMn9 wrote:It is entertaining to have virtually everything that the National Review is writing now, hell bent on savaging Trump.
Only one writer in the entire @$$^ world has published the truth, guess he'll never work in his industry again. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ns-support

That's the Thomas Frank who wrote What's the Matter with Kansas?

He's very good on how liberals have dropped the ball and lost the heartland, but the core argument of his career is that the right is peddling bullshit and that the solutions are progressive ones, not reactionary ones.

I'm glad to see em2nought on board with that.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:09 pm

To clarify my earlier comment, I didn't say they were stupid. I said that they were uneducated (a lack of a college degree is the strongest indicator for being a trump supporter), and that they are being lied to. And their lack of education makes it difficult to see the lies for what they are.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:23 pm

Rip wrote:https://theintercept.com/2015/11/11/tru ... ing-china/

http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacific-pa ... ly-2127095

Whhheeeee

Here are some facts lost in the heat of primary season. Excluding oil, the United States actually has a trade surplus in manufactured goods (you read that right) with the 20 countries with which it has trade agreements (although that does not include China). Over all, the United States enjoys an annual trade surplus in services, driven by financial services and intellectual-property licensing, of more than $200 billion.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:50 pm

hepcat wrote:
Rip wrote:https://theintercept.com/2015/11/11/tru ... ing-china/

http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacific-pa ... ly-2127095
Whhheeeee

Here are some facts lost in the heat of primary season. Excluding oil, the United States actually has a trade surplus in manufactured goods (you read that right) with the 20 countries with which it has trade agreements (although that does not include China). Over all, the United States enjoys an annual trade surplus in services, driven by financial services and intellectual-property licensing, of more than $200 billion.

driven by financial services and intellectual-property licensing

For the uneducated Trump voters; That means the rich people didn't make out so bad so quit whining.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:56 pm

Excluding oil, the United States actually has a trade surplus in manufactured goods

For the uneducated Trump voters, that means factory made items.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:25 pm

hepcat wrote:
Rip wrote:https://theintercept.com/2015/11/11/tru ... ing-china/

http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacific-pa ... ly-2127095
Whhheeeee

Here are some facts lost in the heat of primary season. Excluding oil, the United States actually has a trade surplus in manufactured goods (you read that right) with the 20 countries with which it has trade agreements (although that does not include China). Over all, the United States enjoys an annual trade surplus in services, driven by financial services and intellectual-property licensing, of more than $200 billion.

I think the money shot got buried in that article (and within that money shot, the further boldification is mine.)

More than 20 percent of American children today live in poverty. Our educational system, once the envy of the world, now ranks in the bottom half of much of the developed world. The tax system rewards companies that exploit loopholes, infrastructure is crumbling and training programs lack the kind of apprenticeship and credentialing opportunities that Germany and other major economies offer.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:18 pm

It's hardly the sole domain of foreign trade agreements though. And it's hardly an American problem only.

A lack of oversight is the problem. And what happens whenever someone tries to put that into play? The GOP screams bloody murder and rallies around the banner of a free and open market. Now the self identified victims of corruption in our free market are trying to elect someone who has spent his entire life trying to figure out ways to screw others just like them. It's like the sheep holding an impromptu vote after losing one too many of their brethren to the wolf...and putting a wolf in charge.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:31 pm

Even if tax cuts and loopholes were the source of our economic problems, they were added by a Republican Congress under President Bush and there is ZERO chance that a President Trump would raise taxes. Instead, the Republican platform is consistently MORE tax cuts.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:59 pm

hepcat wrote:
Excluding oil, the United States actually has a trade surplus in manufactured goods
For the uneducated Trump voters, that means factory made items.

Of course much of that manufacturing is little more than putting together a piece of IKEA furniture. It is a shell game of making the last assembly of a product where you want it to be "manufactured" despite a majority of the ingredients and components coming from elsewhere. Often places where people are exploited.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:10 pm

Why am I not surprised that instead of realizing you're wrong, you simply make up some bullshit quantifier?

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:15 pm

hepcat wrote:Why am I not surprised that instead of realizing you're wrong, you simply make up some bullshit quantifier?

Because you are so...so....so....educated?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:31 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:
Smoove_B wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:Sexism and racism will always be things, but they are not quite as entrenched in society as a given as they once were.
Yeah, it's not like in the 1950s when states like Georgia were trying to pass religious liberty laws. Did I say 1950s? Because I meant today.
In the 1950s, this paragraph doesn't get written:

Similar bills in states like Indiana and Arkansas sparked storms of criticism last year, forcing many lawmakers to retreat from the provisions.

Pass it and lose a corporation:

Salesforce C.E.O. Marc Benioff is playing hardball with Georgia governor Nathan Deal over the state’s pending Religious Freedom Bill. Passed by the Georgia state legislature on Wednesday night, the legislation would effectively allow faith-based organizations—which are broadly defined in the bill—to discriminate based on a “sincerely held religious belief” pertaining to marriage. And Benioff, who is known in Silicon Valley for his philanthropy, is threatening to make the decision economically damaging for Deal if he signs it into law.
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Last month Benioff asked Deal to veto the bill, saying he would take his business out of the state if the law passed (Salesforce currently has a conference scheduled in Atlanta, and Benioff’s company employs 16,000 people). He posed a question to his followers on Twitter last month: Should Salesforce divest from Georgia if the bill is signed into law? Eighty percent of his followers said yes. On Friday, the C.E.O. tweeted, “The economy of Georgia is now in the hands of @GovernorDeal as he considers an anti-gay law.”

Now that the bill has passed through Georgia’s state legislature, Benioff is doubling down. Salesforce published a statement on Thursday dropping the hammer. “If HB 757 is not vetoed and instead becomes law, Salesforce will have to reduce investments in Georgia, including moving the Salesforce Connections conference to a state that provides a more welcoming environment for the LGBTQ community,” the company said. Benioff is raising the stakes in his fight for gay rights, and not for the first time. Last year, he tried to get Indiana to veto a similar bill. The legislation passed anyway, though Benioff and others were able to pressure the state to modify the law afterward.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:55 pm

Zarathud wrote:Even if tax cuts and loopholes were the source of our economic problems, they were added by a Republican Congress under President Bush and there is ZERO chance that a President Trump would raise taxes. Instead, the Republican platform is consistently MORE tax cuts.

Trump himself has proposed huge tax cuts. He's like the rest of them. It's the same trickle-down voodoo bullshit we've been getting since Reagan.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:13 pm

Holman wrote:
Zarathud wrote:Even if tax cuts and loopholes were the source of our economic problems, they were added by a Republican Congress under President Bush and there is ZERO chance that a President Trump would raise taxes. Instead, the Republican platform is consistently MORE tax cuts.
Trump himself has proposed huge tax cuts. He's like the rest of them. It's the same trickle-down voodoo bullshit we've been getting since Reagan.

But misdirecting their anger at foreigners and muslims is what the man's good at. FWIW, I think Trump's parroting traditional Republican policies is more misdirection. I suspect that he'll drop them after he has the nomination since they are proven losers.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:18 pm

Holman wrote:
Zarathud wrote:Even if tax cuts and loopholes were the source of our economic problems, they were added by a Republican Congress under President Bush and there is ZERO chance that a President Trump would raise taxes. Instead, the Republican platform is consistently MORE tax cuts.
Trump himself has proposed huge tax cuts. He's like the rest of them. It's the same trickle-down voodoo bullshit we've been getting since Reagan.

How else with you entice me to hire an "American" worker along with all his or her baggage they bring to the job? Most of them probably need to attend a reeducation camp on worth ethic before they'd even be of any use.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:30 am

em2nought wrote:
How else with you entice me to hire an "American" worker along with all his or her baggage they bring to the job? Most of them probably need to attend a reeducation camp on worth ethic before they'd even be of any use.

Meaning you couldn't literally work them to death as if they were in a 3rd world country? That attitude is disgusting.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:21 am

gbasden wrote:
em2nought wrote:
How else with you entice me to hire an "American" worker along with all his or her baggage they bring to the job? Most of them probably need to attend a reeducation camp on worth ethic before they'd even be of any use.
Meaning you couldn't literally work them to death as if they were in a 3rd world country? That attitude is disgusting.

Did I type that I was planning to work people to death? Stop putting your words down as if they were my thoughts, I'm pretty sick of it as the premier tactic of the left.

Just last week, a guy came begging me for money. Said churches had told him no, and said he was willing to work for it, but he needed the money right away. So having been down that road before I asked if he had any collateral? He produced his phone and charger for me to hold, and I gave him the money and told him to come back the next day to work. He came back and worked for what I had given him so I gladly gave him his phone back. He was a decent worker, and I was happily surprised. He asked if he could come back the next day, and if I would give him some again in advance so I gave him $20. I started thinking of work I could give him, so I went out and bought a wheelbarrow. I haven't seen him since. So I guess I worked him to death, and I'll be pushing my own wheelbarrow.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:07 am

em2nought wrote:
gbasden wrote:
em2nought wrote:
How else with you entice me to hire an "American" worker along with all his or her baggage they bring to the job? Most of them probably need to attend a reeducation camp on worth ethic before they'd even be of any use.
Meaning you couldn't literally work them to death as if they were in a 3rd world country? That attitude is disgusting.
Did I type that I was planning to work people to death? Stop putting your words down as if they were my thoughts, I'm pretty sick of it as the premier tactic of the left.

Just last week, a guy came begging me for money. Said churches had told him no, and said he was willing to work for it, but he needed the money right away. So having been down that road before I asked if he had any collateral? He produced his phone and charger for me to hold, and I gave him the money and told him to come back the next day to work. He came back and worked for what I had given him so I gladly gave him his phone back. He was a decent worker, and I was happily surprised. He asked if he could come back the next day, and if I would give him some again in advance so I gave him $20. I started thinking of work I could give him, so I went out and bought a wheelbarrow. I haven't seen him since. So I guess I worked him to death, and I'll be pushing my own wheelbarrow.

So because some guy didn't show up to work, all American workers need to go to reeducation camps? I'm pretty sick of the hyperbole that comes out of your camp as well.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:10 am

gbasden wrote:
em2nought wrote:
gbasden wrote:
em2nought wrote:
How else with you entice me to hire an "American" worker along with all his or her baggage they bring to the job? Most of them probably need to attend a reeducation camp on worth ethic before they'd even be of any use.
Meaning you couldn't literally work them to death as if they were in a 3rd world country? That attitude is disgusting.
Did I type that I was planning to work people to death? Stop putting your words down as if they were my thoughts, I'm pretty sick of it as the premier tactic of the left.

Just last week, a guy came begging me for money. Said churches had told him no, and said he was willing to work for it, but he needed the money right away. So having been down that road before I asked if he had any collateral? He produced his phone and charger for me to hold, and I gave him the money and told him to come back the next day to work. He came back and worked for what I had given him so I gladly gave him his phone back. He was a decent worker, and I was happily surprised. He asked if he could come back the next day, and if I would give him some again in advance so I gave him $20. I started thinking of work I could give him, so I went out and bought a wheelbarrow. I haven't seen him since. So I guess I worked him to death, and I'll be pushing my own wheelbarrow.
So because some guy didn't show up to work, all American workers need to go to reeducation camps? I'm pretty sick of the hyperbole that comes out of your camp as well.

Guess you missed the part where I mention that I've been down that road before? It's not just "one" guy. Not all Americans need reeducation, just the one's that the democratic party panders to. Or promises to give my money to in order to, essentially, buy their vote. You've broken them, and they need fixed. Actually, that's not a bad idea. Neuter them if that reeducation doesn't work.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:01 am

gbasden wrote:So because some guy didn't show up to work, all American workers need to go to reeducation camps?

If you can't trust a random guy to show up to perform random menial tasks for $20, *clearly* this is an indictment of the American Worker. *Clearly*.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:09 am

Just last week, a guy came begging me for money. Said churches had told him no, and said he was willing to work for it, but he needed the money right away. So having been down that road before I asked if he had any collateral? He produced his phone and charger for me to hold, and I gave him the money and told him to come back the next day to work. He came back and worked for what I had given him so I gladly gave him his phone back. He was a decent worker, and I was happily surprised. He asked if he could come back the next day, and if I would give him some again in advance so I gave him $20. I started thinking of work I could give him, so I went out and bought a wheelbarrow. I haven't seen him since. So I guess I worked him to death, and I'll be pushing my own wheelbarrow.

But...free charger for you!

p.s. I have been following your prose version of the William Carlos William poem for a while now. I hope you continue this opus!

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:33 am

On March 18, 2016, Donald Trump’s campaign reached out to Local 2544 about a potential endorsement. I informed Mr. Trump’s campaign that NBPC had long standing practice of not endorsing Presidential candidates and that as the President of Local 2544, and I would continue to adhere to that practice.

However, the National Border Patrol Council and Local 2544 are pleased to inform voters that Mr. Trump is the only candidate that has publicly expressed his support of our mission and our Agents. He has been an outspoken candidate on the need for a Secure Border and for this we are grateful.

The American public has continually called for a secure border and Donald Trump has promised to make this desire a reality. His campaign has expressed an interest in a Border Patrol’s Agent’s perspective and a tour of our border, that we will gladly provide. We do not seek to give tours but if asked we will happily provide a tour that gives a realistic idea of what our Agents face on a daily basis. Donald Trump is the only candidate who has expressed this interest.

We are confident that the National Border Patrol Council’s longstanding message about the unsecured border and much needed support for our Agents will be received well by Mr. Trump. The American public deserves to be secure in their own country and we encourage all voters to consider that candidate that has the political will to make it happen.

http://www.local2544.org/donald-trump/

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:45 am

If only he had the political will to make it happen.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:12 pm

hepcat wrote:p.s. I have been following your prose version of the William Carlos William poem for a while now.

I realize that, sort of Donkey

follows Shrek.

It's like a bromance!

Oh, I gave the charger back with the phone. lol

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:04 pm

Discouraging that a leftie sees that and neither Ted Cruz nor Bernie Sanders do.

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:02 pm

Rip wrote: Discouraging that a leftie sees that and neither Ted Cruz nor Bernie Sanders do.

Are you seriously implying that no protesters interrupted Obama's campaign speeches? Hell, a republican congressman interrupted his State of the Union once, are we really going to talk about what goes both ways?

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:11 pm

gilraen wrote:
Rip wrote: Discouraging that a leftie sees that and neither Ted Cruz nor Bernie Sanders do.
Are you seriously implying that no protesters interrupted Obama's campaign speeches? Hell, a republican congressman interrupted his State of the Union once, are we really going to talk about what goes both ways?

No I am saying that they didn't block people from actually getting to his events. Protesting something is one thing. Preventing access to it is another. This is like blocking women from going into an abortion clinic.

tjg_marantz · Post by **tjg_marantz** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:31 pm

Hitler!

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:32 pm

tjg_marantz wrote:Hitler!

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:28 pm

Bring back Free Speech Zones! /s

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:31 am

gilraen wrote:
Rip wrote: Discouraging that a leftie sees that and neither Ted Cruz nor Bernie Sanders do.
Are you seriously implying that no protesters interrupted Obama's campaign speeches? Hell, a republican congressman interrupted his State of the Union once, are we really going to talk about what goes both ways?

Just as Trump would like you to know that the KKK's support of his campaign does not mean he's a member, I would hope the actions of extremists on the other side are not being seen as reprentative of everyone they say they support.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:54 am

hepcat wrote: Just as Trump would like you to know that the KKK's support of his campaign does not mean he's a member, I would hope the actions of extremists on the other side are not being seen as reprentative of everyone they say they support.

Most of us realize that it just means their parents gave "them" money to attend the protests in order to get their freeloading adult children off the parental units couch and out of their house for a few hours. Wonder if some of these protesters come back from the events to find that their parents have moved, and left no forwarding address?

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:46 pm

Why is them in quotes?

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:47 pm

Someone's doing a little superior dance.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:30 pm

Utah loves Trump

Not saying that Democrats will win Utah, but if it's within the realm of possibility, then there's a potential that the whole electoral map will be different from what we've seen in recent years.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:32 pm

hepcat wrote:Why is them in quotes?

Why "not"?

Chrisoc13 · Post by **Chrisoc13** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:15 pm

Defiant wrote:Utah loves Trump

Not saying that Democrats will win Utah, but if it's within the realm of possibility, then there's a potential that the whole electoral map will be different from what we've seen in recent years.

It's because Mormons are not fans of Trump.

On immigration, for example, the hard-line proposals that have rallied Trump’s fans — like building a massive wall along the country’s southern border to keep immigrants out — are considerably less likely to fire up conservative Latter-day Saints. The LDS church has spent years lobbying for “compassionate” immigration reform.

Many Mormon voters are similarly wary of another Trump campaign hallmark: Muslim-bashing.

Last year, when the billionaire proposed banning all Muslims from entering the United States in the wake of the San Bernardino terrorist attack, Trump became the only candidate in either party this election cycle to elicit a response from LDS church leadership.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:27 pm

hepcat wrote:It's hardly the sole domain of foreign trade agreements though. And it's hardly an American problem only.

A lack of oversight is the problem. And what happens whenever someone tries to put that into play? The GOP screams bloody murder and rallies around the banner of a free and open market. Now the self identified victims of corruption in our free market are trying to elect someone who has spent his entire life trying to figure out ways to screw others just like them. It's like the sheep holding an impromptu vote after losing one too many of their brethren to the wolf...and putting a wolf in charge.

Zarathud wrote:Even if tax cuts and loopholes were the source of our economic problems, they were added by a Republican Congress under President Bush and there is ZERO chance that a President Trump would raise taxes. Instead, the Republican platform is consistently MORE tax cuts.

Who said anything about supporting the GOP or Trump or that the problem is unique to the US? The one person I truly support as far as I know is Elizabeth Warren and I'm not even 100% on that. She's generally about as far the GOP and Trump as comes. I'm saying those three sentences of an aside to how great things are and that what's good for the multinationals is good for you should be the meat and potatoes for they aren't great.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:56 pm

hepcat wrote:Why is them in quotes?

It's not a racial thing if that's what you're implying. It's more of a "bad" writer thing. Maybe speech impediments carry over into the written word?

Oddly enough my wheelbarrow is "blue" instead of "red".