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Zarathud wrote:Condi Rice had a Blackberry, but the NSA didn't want to deal with Hillary Clinton demanding one too? I'm sorry, Rip, this looks like Hillary cutting her way through all the bullshit you complain about the government bureaucracy. Trump had better not stand between Hillary and her Blackberry!
It isn't about having a blackberry. It is about wanting to take one into a SCIF. A SCIF is a special facility for accessing classified data where everyone is searched and electronic devices are not allowed. For what should be obvious reasons. Not so obvious to her or you guys I guess but anyone who has ever held a Secret or above clearance would understand. It would be like trying to go into surgical room with your favorite gloves that you never wash. It is pure idiocy.
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A Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF; pronounced "skiff") in United States military, security and intelligence parlance, is an enclosed area within a building that is used to process Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) types of classified information.

SCI is usually only briefed, discussed, and stored in an accredited SCIF.

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Access to SCIFs is normally limited to those with clearance.[1] Non-cleared personnel in SCIF must be under constant oversight to prevent unauthorized access to classified material;[2] as part of this process, non-cleared personnel are typically required to surrender recording and other electronic devices.[3] All of the activity and conversation inside is presumed restricted from public disclosure.

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Some entire buildings are SCIFs where all but the front foyer is secure. A SCIF can also be located in an air, ground or maritime vehicle, or can be established on a temporary basis at a specific site. The physical construction, access control, and alarming of the facility has been defined by various directives, including Director of Central Intelligence Directives (DCIDs) 1/21 and 6/9, and most recently (2011) by Intelligence Community Directive (ICD) 705, signed by the Director of National Intelligence. ICD 705 is a three page document that implements Intelligence Community Standard (ICS) 705.1. Computers operating within such a facility must conform to rules established by ICD 503. Computers and telecommunication equipment within must conform to TEMPEST emanations specification as directed by a Certified TEMPEST Technical Authority (CTTA).

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In Naval Criminal Investigative Service episode "Pyramid" it is revealed the NCIS Director Vance can place his office into SCIF mode. He does it so he can discuss the details of a classified operation (aka a black op) with the Secretary of the Navy (SecNav).

The Drop Dead Diva episode "Desperate Housewife" shows a SCIF being used by the United States government to convey information to a judge while preventing the defendants in a trial from hearing the information.

In the episode "The Bit Bucket" of The Good Wife, a SCIF is used by the NSA to convey information to a judge while preventing the defendants in a trial from hearing the information. Later in the episode the defendants' lawyers use the SCIF to argue without the NSA's lawyer present.

In the Criminal Minds episodes Lauren and Valhalla, a SCIF in Quantico is used to hold a briefing between the Behavioral Analysis Unit and a private counterintelligence group.

In Homeland episode "There's Something Else Going On", a SCIF is seen at the Islamabad United States Embassy.

In the episode "The Abyss," Coast Guard Special Agent Abigail Borin is seen accessing SCIF to oversee an undersea recovery.

In Burn Notice episode "Signals and Codes" Michael Weston has to break into a SCIF room in order to download the decryption key for various emails sent by a treasonous employee of a corporate government contractor.

In Person of Interest (TV series) season 1 episode 22, titled "No Good Deed", is based on an operative who works at a SCIF.

In the movie Behind Enemy Lines the SCIF is used to track a downed Reconnaissance Officer and F/A-18 Navigator - Lt. Chris Burnett, who was shot down with his Pilot In Command "Stackhouse".

Stackhouse was subsequently killed by Serbian Forces after veering off mission and discovering a mass grave of local civilians killed by a Local Serbian Military Commander Miraslov Lokar. SCIF was used to hotwire a satellite to track via Infra-Red "Thermal Imaging" and then again after Lt. Burnett Reactivated the Ejection Seat Locating Transmitter.

On the bright side when they start allowing cell phones in SCIFs we won't need Snowdens, any two bit hacker could grab what he got without needing any clearance.
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The American public didn't care when Snowden actually released secret information. Unless Hillary was taking pictures of their dicks in the SCIF, this scandal goes nowhere.
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Zarathud wrote:The American public didn't care when Snowden actually released secret information. Unless Hillary was taking pictures of their dicks in the SCIF, this scandal goes nowhere.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... poll-finds

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Rip wrote:
Zarathud wrote:The American public didn't care when Snowden actually released secret information. Unless Hillary was taking pictures of their dicks in the SCIF, this scandal goes nowhere.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... poll-finds

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He was a nobody and the government smear job was significant. Hillary is not a nobody and has her own party for support. While I'm not the one who brought up Snowden, he was a national hero no matter how foolish people are in their opinions of him. He's the entire reason the American public even know how badly their privacy is being invaded, and why government took steps to reel it in, if even just a little.

And let's get serious. She wanted to bring her blackberry into a secure building. They said no. Wtf is the scandal? My boss whines like a little girl every time he has to surrender his iPhone too. That doesn't make him the devil. It just means he really likes his iPhone.
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Rip wrote:
Zarathud wrote:The American public didn't care when Snowden actually released secret information. Unless Hillary was taking pictures of their dicks in the SCIF, this scandal goes nowhere.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... poll-finds

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Meh, depends who you ask.

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GreenGoo wrote:He's the entire reason the American public even know how badly their privacy is being invaded
*cough*Binney*cough*Klein*cough*
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Defiant wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:He's the entire reason the American public even know how badly their privacy is being invaded
*cough*Binney*cough*Klein*cough*
Right, because the NSA dialed it way back after they came forward.

Let me state it another way. He's the entire reason *some* Americans today care that their privacy is being violated.

Here's a few others: survelliance whistleblowers
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Right, because the NSA dialed it way back after they came forward.
Just making sure they get some of the credit. Some of us were paying attention. :ninja:
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Defiant wrote:
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Right, because the NSA dialed it way back after they came forward.
Just making sure they get some of the credit. Some of us were paying attention. :ninja:
and one of the areas where I differ with Trump greatly. His suggestion that he would force Apple to comply is horseshit in both reasonability and capability.
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We are going to have Congresspeople making laws about encryption and Supreme Court justices ruling on encryption that have no idea how even email works, much less the difference between 3DES and AES. I'm not shocked that Hillary didn't get why she couldn't bring her Blackberry into the building, especially if it was one of the special government encrypted ones.
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gbasden wrote:We are going to have Congresspeople making laws about encryption and Supreme Court justices ruling on encryption that have no idea how even email works, much less the difference between 3DES and AES. I'm not shocked that Hillary didn't get why she couldn't bring her Blackberry into the building, especially if it was one of the special government encrypted ones.
Special government encrypted phones don't access the public internet and would therefore be useless for what she desired to do, which was e-mail with her peeps that aren't on the secure system. Secure and insecure systems do not intersect, or shouldn't. It seems they have thanks to morons retyping or printing and faxing things.
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The big money has been united behind Clinton from the start.
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I was surprised to find out from a coworker yesterday that she hates Hillary because apparently Hillary Clinton personally had the embassy built in Benghazi even though she knew there was a war going on at the time between our two countries.

I wasn't sure where to begin... :doh:
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hepcat wrote:I wasn't sure where to begin... :doh:
I've found that this is likely your best option.

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hepcat wrote:I was surprised to find out from a coworker yesterday that she hates Hillary because apparently Hillary Clinton personally had the embassy built in Benghazi even though she knew there was a war going on at the time between our two countries.

I wasn't sure where to begin... :doh:
Start with Hillary storming the embassy with an AK-47.
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Trump may be popular with the angry white male contingency...

But Hillary really doesn't need the white male vote to win.

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While some people entertain the fantasy that there are huge numbers of “Reagan Democrats” just waiting to cross over, the Reagan Democrats are gone. They all either died (it was 36 years ago that they were identified, remember) or just became Republicans. The GOP already has them, and it isn’t enough.
Heh. My father was one of the 'Reagan Democrats.' At least in his case, W poisoned that well but good. I literally cannot imagine any Republican ever pulling him back into the fold - not after Iraq.
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If we don't limit Reagan Democrats to Democrats that voted for Reagan back in the 80s, but rather to the demographic of noncollege educated white men, then Democrats have lost them in recent years.
Obama, for instance, lost noncollege white men -- once the brawny backbone of the New Deal-era Democratic coalition -- by a crushing 31 percentage points, the widest deficit since 1984.
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Defiant wrote:If we don't limit Reagan Democrats to Democrats that voted for Reagan back in the 80s, but rather to the demographic of noncollege educated white men, then Democrats have lost them in recent years.
Sure...but that's the point the article is making. They aren't Democrats that can be wooed to a Republican candidate anymore - they're simply Republicans, and have been for a while.
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It's like watching a split screen TV between Fox News and MSNBC. Competing Smilies included.
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:lol:

I've been tryin' to mimic the Rip method of political discourse the last week or so. I'm about to venture into the "View more smilies" area if this keeps up. :wink:
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hepcat wrote::lol:

I've been tryin' to mimic the Rip method of political discourse the last week or so. I'm about to venture into the "View more smilies" area if this keeps up. :wink:
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Now, over two months later, I can confirm that the contents of Sid Blumenthal’s June 8, 2011 email to Hillary Clinton, sent to her personal, unclassified account, were indeed based on highly sensitive NSA information. The Agency investigated this compromise and determined that Mr. Blumenthal’s highly detailed account of Sudanese goings-on, including the retelling of high-level conversations in that country, was indeed derived from NSA intelligence.
Specifically, this information was illegally lifted from four different NSA reports, all of them classified Top Secret / Special Intelligence. Worse, at least one of those reports was issued under the GAMMA compartment, which is an NSA handling caveat that is applied to extraordinarily sensitive information (for instance, decrypted conversations between top foreign leadership, as this was). GAMMA is properly viewed as a SIGINT Special Access Program or SAP, several of which from CIA Ms. Clinton compromised in another series of her “unclassified” emails.

Currently serving NSA officials have told me they have no doubt that Mr. Blumenthal’s information came from their reports. “It’s word-for-word, verbatim copying,” one of them explained. “In one case, an entire paragraph was lifted from an NSA report” that was classified Top Secret / Special Intelligence.
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After seeing alternating stories on a weekly basis that indicate the emails were either highly classified or they weren't, I've changed my mind and now blame shitty government sector IT for this whole thing.

I'm also convinced Hillary is a scapegoat in all this after reading numerous accounts that this kind of thing has been happening for a while with numerous people in power.
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Defiant wrote:If we don't limit Reagan Democrats to Democrats that voted for Reagan back in the 80s, but rather to the demographic of noncollege educated white men, then Democrats have lost them in recent years.
Obama, for instance, lost noncollege white men -- once the brawny backbone of the New Deal-era Democratic coalition -- by a crushing 31 percentage points, the widest deficit since 1984.
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Sure, but the fraction of white males that don't go to college is much smaller now then it was on the 80s. And it's not a random sample of those guys, either, so you're not really comparing apples to apples.
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PLW wrote:
Defiant wrote:If we don't limit Reagan Democrats to Democrats that voted for Reagan back in the 80s, but rather to the demographic of noncollege educated white men, then Democrats have lost them in recent years.
Obama, for instance, lost noncollege white men -- once the brawny backbone of the New Deal-era Democratic coalition -- by a crushing 31 percentage points, the widest deficit since 1984.
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Sure, but the fraction of white males that don't go to college is much smaller now then it was on the 80s. And it's not a random sample of those guys, either, so you're not really comparing apples to apples.
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In her defense, Clinton considers all contributions below $100,000 "small."
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If you believe we’ve finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that, when we were practicing trickle-down economics and no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for her
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That seemed a bit harsh. I'm surprised he pulled such a dick move. The only reason I'd vote for his lying wife is because I'm hoping things stay about the same as they were under Obama.
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An aide to Clinton said that he was referring to Congressional Republicans, not Obama.

Not much else makes sense considering how closely Clinton has been aligning herself with Obama and his legacy.
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Yes, Hillary is running for a mandate to force the Republicans to cooperate. The dissatisfaction on both sides is that governing isn't happening -- and that's mostly the fault of the Republicans in Congress. Hillary NEEDS Trump to do lasting damage to the GOP for that to happen.
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Holman wrote:An aide to Clinton said that he was referring to Congressional Republicans, not Obama.

Not much else makes sense considering how closely Clinton has been aligning herself with Obama and his legacy.
That was also what I drew from the statement. OtOH, I think it's puppies.

The president has all the power when it's a republican president and democrats are obstructing and Congress has all the power with a Democratic president with a republican Congress obstructing. Puh-lease.
Zarathud wrote:Yes, Hillary is running for a mandate to force the Republicans to cooperate. The dissatisfaction on both sides is that governing isn't happening -- and that's mostly the fault of the Republicans in Congress. Hillary NEEDS Trump to do lasting damage to the GOP for that to happen.
Now that she's closer to knocking out Sanders, it's time to Dopplegang Trump. Authoritarianism for everyone!
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Holman wrote:An aide to Clinton said that he was referring to Congressional Republicans, not Obama.

Not much else makes sense considering how closely Clinton has been aligning herself with Obama and his legacy.
Yeah, I figured (or that he simply misspoke). It's still funny. ;)
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LordMortis wrote:
The president has all the power when it's a republican president and democrats are obstructing and Congress has all the power with a Democratic president with a republican Congress obstructing. Puh-lease.
Eh? The Democrats were far less obstructing under Bush than the Republicans have been under Obama.
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