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hepcat wrote:Do yourself a favor and plan a road trip to Strasburg, Ohio for baked and breaded chicken at The Manor.msduncan wrote:My favorite is Popeye's Chicken. God I love their biscuits
Lee's is a chain, so while rare, they can be found. Lee's is the reason I will die of a heart attack. So good.
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I can't help but shake the feeling that when Trump starts dialing in his attacks, Hillary is going to take a beating. I know how many have speculated that she's unflappable and quite capable of holding her own, but Trump is off the charts. And not for anything, he doesn't even have to make anything up yet - he can come out of the gate swinging about how deeply embedded she is in "the establishment" that he's apparently railing against.
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I think you're giving Trump too much credit. He never had to make anything up. He just does. Why use real issues when fake ones are so much more fun?Smoove_B wrote:I can't help but shake the feeling that when Trump starts dialing in his attacks, Hillary is going to take a beating. I know how many have speculated that she's unflappable and quite capable of holding her own, but Trump is off the charts. And not for anything, he doesn't even have to make anything up yet - he can come out of the gate swinging about how deeply embedded she is in "the establishment" that he's apparently railing against.
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Sure she will - that's how attack ads work. But Trump is also going to take a beating, and Hillary certainly doesn't have to make anything up either. And most polls seems to indicate Hillary being up by 10+ points, which is a LOT (by comparison, in 2008, which was a huge democratic year (North Carolina voted Obama!), Obama won by about 7%.Smoove_B wrote:I can't help but shake the feeling that when Trump starts dialing in his attacks, Hillary is going to take a beating. I know how many have speculated that she's unflappable and quite capable of holding her own, but Trump is off the charts. And not for anything, he doesn't even have to make anything up yet - he can come out of the gate swinging about how deeply embedded she is in "the establishment" that he's apparently railing against.
So not only does Hillary have to take a beating, she has to take a beating by MUCH more than Trump takes a beating. And like I've been talking about in the Trumpocalypse thread, there are a LOT of factors working against Trump (and I didn't even cover all of them there!).
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Whatever happens, this is probably going to be the ugliest, mud-slinging-est election of modern times. Either one of these candidates would be a dream opponent for someone looking to dig up dirt, and they're squaring off against EACH OTHER.
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My favorite Trump attack method is when he repeats something that's utterly outrageous and easily proven false...then prefaces it with, "I don't know if it's true, but I've been told...".
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Is there really any dirt on either of them we are not already aware of? They are both pretty public figures. Hillary is apparently coated with teflon and Trump is... well... Trump.YellowKing wrote:Whatever happens, this is probably going to be the ugliest, mud-slinging-est election of modern times. Either one of these candidates would be a dream opponent for someone looking to dig up dirt, and they're squaring off against EACH OTHER.
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Oh we've seen all the dirt before, we'll just have to sit through it again. And because we've seen it all before, they'll have to resort to who can out-shout the other.
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Trump has decades of evidence of outrageous sexism, racism, cronyism and dubious business practices behind him. For the most part, he proudly admits to them in radio and video interviews.
But that doesn't matter one bit to his supporters. He ain't a minority, and he ain't using ten dollar words. That's all they need. If Clinton were to just dumb it down. Maybe drop the n word now and again? Perhaps talk about how many men she went through in college? Proudly talk about how she's made a killing with her "charities"? Man, the sky would be the limit.
But that doesn't matter one bit to his supporters. He ain't a minority, and he ain't using ten dollar words. That's all they need. If Clinton were to just dumb it down. Maybe drop the n word now and again? Perhaps talk about how many men she went through in college? Proudly talk about how she's made a killing with her "charities"? Man, the sky would be the limit.
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Whereas Hillary hates and treats people like crap without discrimination. She would also never admit to any wrongdoing even if you had ironclad proof.hepcat wrote:Trump has decades of evidence of outrageous sexism, racism, cronyism and dubious business practices behind him. For the most part, he proudly admits to them in radio and video interviews.
But that doesn't matter one bit to his supporters. He ain't a minority, and he ain't using ten dollar words. That's all they need. If Clinton were to just dumb it down. Maybe drop the n word now and again? Perhaps talk about how many men she went through in college? Proudly talk about how she's made a killing with her "charities"? Man, the sky would be the limit.
On the bright side after a term or two of her even a boring douchebag like Romney or Jeb! could win.
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Yeeeesssss, yeeesssss, let your anger flow through you.
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The plan is for Clinton to take the high road of experience and steady knowledge and to allow her surrogates to do the mudslinging.YellowKing wrote:Whatever happens, this is probably going to be the ugliest, mud-slinging-est election of modern times. Either one of these candidates would be a dream opponent for someone looking to dig up dirt, and they're squaring off against EACH OTHER.
Trump has only mud to work with, and slinging is all he knows.
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Huge election for fans of dirt.YellowKing wrote:Whatever happens, this is probably going to be the ugliest, mud-slinging-est election of modern times. Either one of these candidates would be a dream opponent for someone looking to dig up dirt, and they're squaring off against EACH OTHER.
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Too bad no one that boring will ever get the nomination again.Rip wrote: On the bright side after a term or two of her even a boring douchebag like Romney or Jeb! could win.
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Folks like Rip care for spectacle, not ability.
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I, for one, am rooting for chaos and ugliness:


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While I am happy to see the Republican party implode, Clinton is not running to be president of the Democrats. She's running to be president of the US. And that's exactly why she can't have my vote. Well, not exactly why but one reason among more than a couple.Holman wrote:The plan is for Clinton to take the high road of experience and steady knowledge and to allow her surrogates to do the mudslinging.YellowKing wrote:Whatever happens, this is probably going to be the ugliest, mud-slinging-est election of modern times. Either one of these candidates would be a dream opponent for someone looking to dig up dirt, and they're squaring off against EACH OTHER.
Trump has only mud to work with, and slinging is all he knows.
Us vs Them partisanship needs to die.
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Yeah, it's unfortunate that her Presidency is just going to throw gasoline on the fire of partisanship. This is the woman who coined the phrase "vast right-wing conspiracy." We're completely screwed.
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That's like saying I'm not going to bandage my arm until there's a cure for gangrene (pretend I'm using that analogy in a time before antibiotics).
I'm not about to throw the whole country to the wolves simply because I can't resolve all my problems at once. I may not like her, but she's certainly the best option we have available to us...at least for now.
Trump as president < Hillary as president < resolving US vs. Them
In any case, that last one has been an issue in one way or another since the country was founded. We're human. This is what humans do. They pick sides. Then they throw rocks at anyone who didn't choose the same one. I honestly don't see that changing until we as animals fundamentally evolve.
I'm not about to throw the whole country to the wolves simply because I can't resolve all my problems at once. I may not like her, but she's certainly the best option we have available to us...at least for now.
Trump as president < Hillary as president < resolving US vs. Them
In any case, that last one has been an issue in one way or another since the country was founded. We're human. This is what humans do. They pick sides. Then they throw rocks at anyone who didn't choose the same one. I honestly don't see that changing until we as animals fundamentally evolve.
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Dude. Trump's ace in the hole is to talk about how his dick is big. That works up until about grade 9 but then gets left in the dust. I realize this is impressive to his followers, but the rest of the world has moved onto yo' momma jokes, at a bare minimum.Smoove_B wrote:I can't help but shake the feeling that when Trump starts dialing in his attacks, Hillary is going to take a beating. I know how many have speculated that she's unflappable and quite capable of holding her own, but Trump is off the charts. And not for anything, he doesn't even have to make anything up yet - he can come out of the gate swinging about how deeply embedded she is in "the establishment" that he's apparently railing against.
This is the same guy that tried comparing wives as a way to win voters. I mean, Jesus Christ. *If* Hillary takes a beating...it'll be double facepalm time.
I out "argued/confronted" Trump's style before I was 10 years old. The only thing more embarrassing than his hamfisted nonsense is that it seems to be working.
"I have a big dick." "Lying Teddy." "My girlfriend and/or wife is better looking than your girlfriend and/or wife." He's a schmuck.
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Was it in response to Boehner vowing to oppose every single thing Obama tried to pass?YellowKing wrote:Yeah, it's unfortunate that her Presidency is just going to throw gasoline on the fire of partisanship. This is the woman who coined the phrase "vast right-wing conspiracy." We're completely screwed.
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Way earlier
"Vast right-wing conspiracy" is a conspiracy theory referenced by then First Lady of the United States Hillary Rodham Clinton in 1998 in defense of her husband, President Bill Clinton, characterizing the continued allegations of scandal against her and her husband, including the Lewinsky scandal, as part of a long campaign by Clinton's political enemies.[1] The term has been used since, including in a question posed to Bill Clinton in 2009 to describe verbal attacks on Barack Obama during his early presidency.[2] Hillary Clinton mentioned it again during her 2016 presidential campaign.[3]
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I grinned.Anonymous Bosch wrote:I, for one, am rooting for chaos and ugliness:
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Honestly, I don't understand what the complaint is here. The first tweet is saying that Trump is now the de facto leader of the Republican Party (which he more or less is, at the moment - at least, that's how the party nominee is typically regarded). She's then saying "here's what the Trump agenda is." Since the Trump agenda is bad, and Trump is leading the Republican party, you should not vote for Republicans.LordMortis wrote:While I am happy to see the Republican party implode, Clinton is not running to be president of the Democrats. She's running to be president of the US. And that's exactly why she can't have my vote. Well, not exactly why but one reason among more than a couple.Holman wrote:The plan is for Clinton to take the high road of experience and steady knowledge and to allow her surrogates to do the mudslinging.YellowKing wrote:Whatever happens, this is probably going to be the ugliest, mud-slinging-est election of modern times. Either one of these candidates would be a dream opponent for someone looking to dig up dirt, and they're squaring off against EACH OTHER.
Trump has only mud to work with, and slinging is all he knows.
Us vs Them partisanship needs to die.
The second tweet is also saying that the Republican party is generally in agreement with Trump. So again, if Trump agenda is bad, and the Republicans support the Trump agenda, you should not vote for Republicans.
Saying that the opposing party has a bad policy agenda is pretty typical for an election. Your agenda is good, their agenda is bad. What exactly are you looking for here?
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And if Benghazi has taught us anything, it's that her wild claims of Republicans out to get her no matter the facts, no matter the consequences, have been pure paranoia on her part.Isgrimnur wrote:Way earlier
"Vast right-wing conspiracy" is a conspiracy theory referenced by then First Lady of the United States Hillary Rodham Clinton in 1998 in defense of her husband, President Bill Clinton, characterizing the continued allegations of scandal against her and her husband, including the Lewinsky scandal, as part of a long campaign by Clinton's political enemies.[1] The term has been used since, including in a question posed to Bill Clinton in 2009 to describe verbal attacks on Barack Obama during his early presidency.[2] Hillary Clinton mentioned it again during her 2016 presidential campaign.[3]
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There's a difference between attacking your opponent and attacking your opponent's party, however subtle it may be.
It's sort of like someone who has a beef with you going after your mama because she raised you.
It's sort of like someone who has a beef with you going after your mama because she raised you.
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I reject this and I refuse to be a part of the perpetuation. I refuse to accept this from an elected official. (though my rejection is not on principle. There is a point where politics completely break down and us v them becomes the last tactic. That'll be another civil war if it happens)hepcat wrote:They pick sides. Then they throw rocks at anyone who didn't choose the same one.
When I need an arbitrary nationalist entity to root for, I turn to sports. That's what they're there for.
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For the record, partisanship has always been worse than it is today, except maybe for a few short periods where world events impacted politics and united citizens.
It's not like Hillary claimed to have heard that Trump fucks the pigs.
It's not like Hillary claimed to have heard that Trump fucks the pigs.
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Careful or they will start throwing rocks at YOU.LordMortis wrote:I reject this and I refuse to be a part of the perpetuation. I refuse to accept this from an elected official. (though my rejection is not on principle. There is a point where politics completely break down and us v them becomes the last tactic. That'll be another civil war if it happens)hepcat wrote:They pick sides. Then they throw rocks at anyone who didn't choose the same one.
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If trump wins are we the nation of Trump? He's no longer just trying to be republican leader, he's leader of the US.El Guapo wrote:Honestly, I don't understand what the complaint is here.
Are Democrats the party of Clinton? Should I attack and vote against all democrats because I don't want her to be my next president? If she wins will we be the nation of Clinton?
Actually, it pretty explicitly states that Kasich is the same as Trump (Taking reproductive rights and extending it the issues). I probably would have voted for Kasich had it been Kasich against Clinton, so now is she saying that I am the same as Trump?The second tweet is also saying that the Republican party is generally in agreement with Trump. So again, if Trump agenda is bad, and the Republicans support the Trump agenda, you should not vote for Republicans.
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But at the same time, he entranced a good part of the nation and is the presumptive GOP nominee at this point. When he talks, people perk up and it doesn't matter what he's saying (truth, lie, steaks, etc...) -- he's enthralling. I have no doubts Hillary could hold her own against a traditional political candidate during a debate. But Trump? The crazier he gets, the more people lap it up. Dude just accused Ted Cruz's father of being a companion to Lee Harvey Oswald, implying he was likely involved in the JFK assassination. I can't even begin to imagine what he's going to hammer Hillary on, but I'm betting it will be an amazing spectacle.GreenGoo wrote:Whoever said (Romney?) if it weren't for his inheritance he'd be selling watches on the streets of NY were right.
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I can see him going after her being a fake New Yorker and that resonating.Smoove_B wrote:But at the same time, he entranced a good part of the nation and is the presumptive GOP nominee at this point. When he talks, people perk up and it doesn't matter what he's saying (truth, lie, steaks, etc...) -- he's enthralling. I have no doubts Hillary could hold her own against a traditional political candidate during a debate. But Trump? The crazier he gets, the more people lap it up. Dude just accused Ted Cruz's father of being a companion to Lee Harvey Oswald, implying he was likely involved in the JFK assassination. I can't even begin to imagine what he's going to hammer Hillary on, but I'm betting it will be an amazing spectacle.
I can imagine. Vince Foster. And I can see his following lap it up.
I can see him going after her for all that dreck that FB keep perpetuating up on her and Watergate and making his fanbase go absolutely nuts with fanaticism.
I can also imagine him going after her for Bill's affair(s) and I can imagine that backfiring on him really bad.
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Clinton is not yet the democratic nominee, but once she gets the nomination yes, she will informally be the leader (or at the very least, one of the most important leaders) of the democratic party, at least until November. Generally speaking, democratic presidents push some variation of the mainstream democratic party agenda, and Republican presidents push some variation of the mainstream republican agenda.LordMortis wrote:If trump wins are we the nation of Trump? He's no longer just trying to be republican leader, he's leader of the US.El Guapo wrote:Honestly, I don't understand what the complaint is here.
Are Democrats the party of Clinton? Should I attack and vote against all democrats because I don't want her to be my next president? If she wins will we be the nation of Clinton?
Actually, it pretty explicitly states that Kasich is the same as Trump (Taking reproductive rights and extending it the issues). I probably would have voted for Kasich had it been Kasich against Clinton, so now is she saying that I am the same as Trump?The second tweet is also saying that the Republican party is generally in agreement with Trump. So again, if Trump agenda is bad, and the Republicans support the Trump agenda, you should not vote for Republicans.
On top of that, here Clinton is not even tarring based on just association - she's not saying "Trump is a Republican, other candidates are Republican, so they are all bad." Rather, starting from a position where polls show Trump to be wildly unpopular nationally, she's saying "Trump supports bad things. Other Republicans also support similar bad things. So, if you think Trump is bad because he supports those bad things and you are going to vote against him, you should also vote against these other Republicans who largely support the same bad things."
Indeed, with the Kasich comparison you're exactly the person that Hillary is trying to reach here. Trump is worse than Kasich, no doubt, but if you sit down and compare the official policy platforms of the two, you will probably find less differences than you think. That's the point.
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Methinks you're giving him too much credit. His numbers don't translate into 50% of the popular vote in any (I think) of the states that have voted so far. In a toilet full of turds, he was the one who floated to the surface and avoided the first flush.Smoove_B wrote:But at the same time, he entranced a good part of the nation and is the presumptive GOP nominee at this point. When he talks, people perk up and it doesn't matter what he's saying (truth, lie, steaks, etc...) -- he's enthralling. I have no doubts Hillary could hold her own against a traditional political candidate during a debate. But Trump? The crazier he gets, the more people lap it up. Dude just accused Ted Cruz's father of being a companion to Lee Harvey Oswald, implying he was likely involved in the JFK assassination. I can't even begin to imagine what he's going to hammer Hillary on, but I'm betting it will be an amazing spectacle.GreenGoo wrote:Whoever said (Romney?) if it weren't for his inheritance he'd be selling watches on the streets of NY were right.
The party would probably be less wary of him if he actually majority popular support anywhere. That he doesn't is why the undercard is so nervous, if the backlash from those against him remains strong, they'll swirl down the drain with him on the second flush.
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I see that you are. Color me as poor of a communicator as the Clinton Party, I guess.El Guapo wrote:Kind of struggling to see the problem here.
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Let me ask you - assume for the moment that Kasich supports 90% of the same things as Trump. Would you still vote for him over Clinton?LordMortis wrote:I see that you are. Color me as poor of a communicator as the Clinton Party, I guess.El Guapo wrote:Kind of struggling to see the problem here.
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What 90% was Kasich supporting the same as Trump? Kasich seemed to be the most budget oriented nominee and his track record in Ohio seemed to bear him out. Trump's track record with budgets? Not so much.El Guapo wrote:Let me ask you - assume for the moment that Kasich supports 90% of the same things as Trump. Would you still vote for him over Clinton?
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You can reject the laws of gravity too, but that doesn't mean your ass doesn't hit the floor if your chair breaks.LordMortis wrote:I reject this and I refuse to be a part of the perpetuation.hepcat wrote:They pick sides. Then they throw rocks at anyone who didn't choose the same one.
Recognizing it does not equate to accepting it. I want us to evolve past that. But refusing to participate at all until that happens does absolutely nothing to solve the problem, and it ends up putting someone like Trump in a position of power.
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