The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

[Zarathud]

Romney's popularity among non-US voters is irrelevant to Trump's base, particularly since Romney tried to lead the "never Trump" camp.

If it wasn't for Trump's base, Israel would have been overrun long ago. I'd more likely believe that Obama's base are the true anti-Semites.

This statement is ridiculously ignorant. Obama's rise in Illinois was powered by Chicago Jewish Democrats and the African American support in the South Side.

On the other hand, Trump's base includes known White Power and anti-Semetic groups. But don't take my word for it. It's on the news and even the conservative journalists at the National Review, who experienced it personally.

[Captain Caveman]

Not to mention that Jews voted in large numbers for Obama. Those anti-Semites.

Jews yes, Israelis no. Israelis overwhelmingly supported Romney.
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He said "Obama's base". I assume that means those eligible to vote for him. Like American Jews, who did so at a ~70% clip.

[Captain Caveman]

Also, turns out Trump's star of David tweet originated at a white supremacist site.

So much for it being a sheriff's badge.

And how insane is it that we're now just accustomed to this stuff happening by a major presidential candidate?

[tgb]

And the suggestion that it could just be "a silly mistake/oversight" ignores the fact that there are significant and virulent strains of anti-Semitism running through segments of Trump's base, and this is an issue that he is well aware of.

If it wasn't for Trump's base, Israel would have been overrun long ago. I'd more likely believe that Obama's base are the true anti-Semites.

Those anti-Semitic tweets directed at members of the press must be coming from Obama's base.

[tgb]

Also, turns out Trump's star of David tweet originated at a white supremacist site.

So much for it being a sheriff's badge.

I suspected this was another one of his re-tweets.

[tjg_marantz]

So either racist or totally incompetent and racist (as previously shown). Winner winner chicken dinner.

[Captain Caveman]

Also, turns out Trump's star of David tweet originated at a white supremacist site.

So much for it being a sheriff's badge.

I suspected this was another one of his re-tweets.

But it wasn't a re-tweet. Which means he saw it somewhere (or someone who works for him did) and thought it was worth tweeting. Which also means he (or someone who works for him) frequents web-spaces where these sort of things appear. Of course, that space could just be replies to his previous tweets, which is full of white supremecist bile.

[RunningMn9]

I understand part of the distinction. I was responding to the notion that Obama was great for Israel (which seemed like the natural counterpoint being made), and I was pointing out that American Jews aren't a particularly good barometer for that, so the fact that they voted for Obama isn't as relevant (to me) as how the people actually in Israel felt.

Not to mention that there was a 10% drop in the American Jew vote between 2008 and 2012 for Obama.

If I responded to something that wasn't being asserted, my bad.

[Defiant]

There are anti-Semitic people on both the far right and the far left. Trump is trying to appeal to those on the far right (and maybe some on the far left, too, who knows). See Reverend Wright or Farrakhan for examples on the left (or, as an example outside the US, the UK's Labour party, which has had to expelled scores of members for antisemitism).

[Rip]

[tgb]

Stay classy, RIP

[Grifman]

Of course now Trump's revised tweet is anti-Japanese since it uses the red sun from the Japanese flag

[em2nought]

Of course now Trump's revised tweet is anti-Japanese since it uses the red sun from the Japanese flag

Next Trump will be calling for internment of all the friendly Islamic folks. That's a joke, as there are no friendly Islamic folks of course.

...and like Obama's not a racist, and half the people that voted for him. Oh wait, only white people can be racist. And who was the Orlando shooter going to vote for, Hillary of course. He was a registered democrat after all.

[hepcat]

You edge closer and closer to your true self with every post, don't you?

[Defiant]

Stay classy, RIP

His point, I assume, is that that tweet came from someone on the far left, namely the son of one of Clinton's unofficial advisors.

I still wouldn't put it in the same (classless) class as personally tweeting a blatantly anti-semitic tweet, as Trump did, though.

[tgb]

Stay classy, RIP

His point, I assume, is that that tweet came from someone on the far left, namely the son of one of Clinton's unofficial advisors.

I still wouldn't put it in the same (classless) class as personally tweeting a blatantly anti-semitic tweet, as Trump did, though.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Tweeting something like that just days after Weizel's death is pretty low.

[Defiant]

Perhaps, perhaps not. Tweeting something like that just days after Weizel's death is pretty low.

Rip was, I'm assuming, using it as an attack on Clinton. I was saying that Trump was worse than Clinton, not that he was worse than Blumenthal (who are both pretty toxic)

[Rip]

Stay classy, RIP

You blame me for pointing out that Max Blumenthal is a disgusting piece of crap and that unlike Trump there is no debating as to what he thinks on the subject?

[Rip]

Stay classy, RIP

His point, I assume, is that that tweet came from someone on the far left, namely the son of one of Clinton's unofficial advisors.

I still wouldn't put it in the same (classless) class as personally tweeting a blatantly anti-semitic tweet, as Trump did, though.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Tweeting something like that just days after Weizel's death is pretty low.

I agree which is why I posted it. I was pointing out there are plenty of scumbags around and many of them are on the left. I certainly don't agree at all with anything he tweeted.

[Rip]

Perhaps, perhaps not. Tweeting something like that just days after Weizel's death is pretty low.

Rip was, I'm assuming, using it as an attack on Clinton. I was saying that Trump was worse than Clinton, not that he was worse than Blumenthal (who are both pretty toxic)

For all we know the Tweet was done by someone on Trump's staff. Who can we count on having Clinton's ear. Sidney Blumenthal who thinks pretty much JUST LIKE his son.

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[Defiant]

For all we know the Tweet was done by someone on Trump's staff.

Given that he's stated similar anti-Semitic stuff before (not to mention saying stuff that's racist, sexist, homophobic.. you name it), I don't give Trump any benefit of any doubt.

[tjg_marantz]

UAE warns against wearing national dress abroad

The Donald would be proud.

[tjg_marantz]

Stay classy, RIP

You blame me for pointing out that Max Blumenthal is a disgusting piece of crap and that unlike Trump there is no debating as to what he thinks on the subject?

Ok. Their both objectionable and so are their supporters. There you go.

...Only one was voted in as a presidential candidate.

[tgb]

Stay classy, RIP

You blame me for pointing out that Max Blumenthal is a disgusting piece of crap and that unlike Trump there is no debating as to what he thinks on the subject?

Actually I was interpreting is as a repeated slam on Wiesel. Obviously I misunderstood your intent, and apologize.

[Holman]

[Zarathud]

FOX News chased down every imagined slight by President Obama. Vice President Biden was expected to be a gaffe nightmare. Hillary is getting all sorts of crap about her PRIVATE e-mails and advice. If Trump can't take responsibility for his PUBLIC tweets, he has no business running for President

The biggest responsibilities include leading the military and foreign relations. Trump's tweets show he's incapable of being diplomatic. You don't even have to get to the merits of whether Trump is a racist -- he's a bumbling fool at best.

Unfit and unprepared for the job.

[KKBlue]

[Kasey Chang]

Last time I checked, DT's public affairs is done by that gal who used to work for his wife?

[Max Peck]

[Defiant]

Very convincing.

/sarcasm

[Chaz]

It's just a whistle! The dishonest media is trying to portray it as a dog whistle, instead of a regular whistle, or a teenager whistle! Maybe even some kind of musical instrument whistle!

[tgb]

Right. Because sheriffs' stars are an important part of neo-Nazi iconography.

Great googly-moogly, he's not even trying any more. Unless he's' deliberately trying to lose. I'm still open to the possibility that he was convinced by the Clintons to enter the race and then take a dive.

[YellowKing]

Was fascinating today to hear my in-laws and stepdad defend Trump after completely dismissing him as an unqualified idiot just a few short months ago. The Hillary hate runs so deep that they would literally vote for a dog turd over her if it came to that.

My stepdad is convinced that somehow Obama will find a way to throw Hillary under the bus, she will get indicted, and Biden will be the nominee. Then Trump will choose Newt Gingrich as his running mate, conservatives will rally, and Republicans will win the White House.

I told him to stop getting his hopes up and prepare for eight years of Hillary.

[Rip]

Listen to your dad.

[hepcat]

He did. Hence his post.

[tgb]

Tell your dad that a time comes when love of country has to trump (uggghhhhh) hatred of Hillary



(not original with me,but I forget who said it. Possibly P.J. O'Rourke)

[Kraken]

I told him to stop getting his hopes up and prepare for eight years of Hillary.

Four years. America will relapse into Clinton Fatigue by '20.

[Kraken]

One man tries to understand Who Are All These Trump Supporters? and writes at length about his conclusions in the New Yorker.

Where is all this anger coming from? It’s viral, and Trump is Typhoid Mary. Intellectually and emotionally weakened by years of steadily degraded public discourse, we are now two separate ideological countries, LeftLand and RightLand, speaking different languages, the lines between us down. Not only do our two subcountries reason differently; they draw upon non-intersecting data sets and access entirely different mythological systems. You and I approach a castle. One of us has watched only “Monty Python and the Holy Grail,” the other only “Game of Thrones.” What is the meaning, to the collective “we,” of yon castle? We have no common basis from which to discuss it. You, the other knight, strike me as bafflingly ignorant, a little unmoored. In the old days, a liberal and a conservative (a “dove” and a “hawk,” say) got their data from one of three nightly news programs, a local paper, and a handful of national magazines, and were thus starting with the same basic facts (even if those facts were questionable, limited, or erroneous). Now each of us constructs a custom informational universe, wittingly (we choose to go to the sources that uphold our existing beliefs and thus flatter us) or unwittingly (our app algorithms do the driving for us). The data we get this way, pre-imprinted with spin and mythos, are intensely one-dimensional. (As a proud knight of LeftLand, I was interested to find that, in RightLand, Vince Foster has still been murdered, Dick Morris is a reliable source, kids are brainwashed “way to the left” by going to college, and Obama may yet be Muslim. I expect that my interviewees found some of my core beliefs equally jaw-dropping.)

[YellowKing]

(I expect that my interviewees found some of my core beliefs equally jaw-dropping.)

Yes, yes, yes.

My father-in-law got frustrated today talking politics, and he goes, "Why can't people just understand what would happen if Hillary was elected? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand how it would destroy this country!" (Actual quote). He literally could not comprehend how other people could think differently than him, and it was frustrating him almost to the point of tears.

I don't talk politics around family anymore because there is no more reason, no more logic, no more looking at a data set and discussing different ways of interpreting it. It's just "I'm right, and anybody who doesn't agree with me is a moron."

I think a lot of people fall into this trap because challenging your own belief system might be one of the hardest things on earth to do. When you come out on the other side, however, it's worth all the pain and suffering. You either reinforce what you thought was true, giving you even more conviction. Or some of your old weak beliefs are cast aside for ones that are better.

It's funny how we'll go to ten different websites to look up reviews of a product we want to buy, but we won't do the same to figure out all the angles of a news story or politician.

[Pyperkub]

(I expect that my interviewees found some of my core beliefs equally jaw-dropping.)

Yes, yes, yes.

My father-in-law got frustrated today talking politics, and he goes, "Why can't people just understand what would happen if Hillary was elected? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand how it would destroy this country!" (Actual quote). He literally could not comprehend how other people could think differently than him, and it was frustrating him almost to the point of tears.

I don't talk politics around family anymore because there is no more reason, no more logic, no more looking at a data set and discussing different ways of interpreting it. It's just "I'm right, and anybody who doesn't agree with me is a moron."

I think a lot of people fall into this trap because challenging your own belief system might be one of the hardest things on earth to do. When you come out on the other side, however, it's worth all the pain and suffering. You either reinforce what you thought was true, giving you even more conviction. Or some of your old weak beliefs are cast aside for ones that are better.

It's funny how we'll go to ten different websites to look up reviews of a product we want to buy, but we won't do the same to figure out all the angles of a news story or politician.

It's why I use memorandum as my primary political site. Though it is frightening how little crosstalk there is, but at least I'm pretty aware of the chatter generating opinion porn on both sides.