The Hillary Clinton thread

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:10 am

I saw my first Clinton ad last night during the Convention. I don't watch much traditional tv so just haven't seen any. I thought the ad with children watching Drumpf saying outrageous things was pretty effective. That said it was repeated several times, I would have expected to see more message diversity at this stage.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:11 am

Gotta save the ad production money for the late game. We've got 3.5 months left. Spending money on people watching the Republican convention isn't exactly playing to undecideds.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:14 am

The Week

It apparently takes people over half a century before they begin to care about the Democratic or Republican National Conventions — or at least about watching them on TV. Nielsen numbers show that for night one of the Republican Convention this year, 14 million of the 23 million people who tuned in were older than the age of 55.

Historically, this trend tends to be true, with most of the viewers of the last three conventions belonging to the 55+ crowd. The numbers came close to being even at the 2012 Democratic convention, when 50 percent of the audience was 55 or older, The Washington Post reports. One exception to the norm was 2008, when Barack Obama accepted his party's nomination; 57 percent of the audience watching was under 55 that year.

Regardless of the numbers tending to skew older, Americans typically love their convention coverage — a report in 2012 found that about two-thirds of Americans watched at least part of the 2008 convention, rivaling Olympic coverage. "It really is a nonsense argument to say no one watches the conventions," University of Oklahoma professor Jill Edy told USA Today. "People who are politically interested already — for them, this is appointment television."

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:16 am

Reuters has a large article on what few undecideds there are.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:44 am

Isgrimnur wrote:

I get their point, but I'm not sure how much relevance I'd give age divisions from traditional TV in the age of the internet.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:51 am

Isgrimnur wrote:Reuters has a large article on what few undecideds there are.

Thanks for posting that because I cannot for the life of me understand the undecided. I can understand "disgusted and not voting" but undecided? It boggles the mind. This quote from one of them, however is very telling:

League’s biggest concerns are immigration reform and national security,

Dude has 3 kids under the age of 6 (well, one yet to be born) and his biggest concerns are immigration and national security?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:27 am

Smoove_B wrote:Dude has 3 kids under the age of 6 (well, one yet to be born) and his biggest concerns are immigration and national security?

Immigrants are like carnies. They are here to steal your children in the night and raise them as one of their own.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:37 am

A colleague mentioned illegal immigration to me today. I countered by asking how much impact it had on his daily life, and he was honest enough to admit that it was none at all. He countered by saying it still wasn't something that should be ignored. I advised him that it was not the position I was taking.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:41 am

Idly wondering if there's any precedent for announcing one's running mate at the convention. That would draw more interest than doing it over the weekend.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:06 pm

Kraken wrote:Idly wondering if there's any precedent for announcing one's running mate at the convention. That would draw more interest than doing it over the weekend.

Dan Quayle (88), George H. W. Bush(80), Bob Dole(76), Thomas Eagleton(72), Spiro Agnew(68), Edmund Muskie(68), William Miller(64), Henry Cabot Lodge (60), LBJ (60) were all announced at the convention and Hubert Humphrey was announced hours before.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:58 pm

Defiant wrote:
Kraken wrote:Idly wondering if there's any precedent for announcing one's running mate at the convention. That would draw more interest than doing it over the weekend.
Dan Quayle (88), George H. W. Bush(80), Bob Dole(76), Thomas Eagleton(72), Spiro Agnew(68), Edmund Muskie(68), William Miller(64), Henry Cabot Lodge (60), LBJ (60) were all announced at the convention and Hubert Humphrey was announced hours before.

So none recently, but it would hardly be ground-breaking. I wonder why it went out of fashion. Seems like a logical convention function.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:09 pm

Kraken wrote:
Defiant wrote:
Kraken wrote:Idly wondering if there's any precedent for announcing one's running mate at the convention. That would draw more interest than doing it over the weekend.
Dan Quayle (88), George H. W. Bush(80), Bob Dole(76), Thomas Eagleton(72), Spiro Agnew(68), Edmund Muskie(68), William Miller(64), Henry Cabot Lodge (60), LBJ (60) were all announced at the convention and Hubert Humphrey was announced hours before.
So none recently, but it would hardly be ground-breaking. I wonder why it went out of fashion. Seems like a logical convention function.

A few thoughts come to mind:

1. It might be released beforehand to try to lengthen the media attention (Announcements before the conventions were generally 2-14 days before the convention). OTOH, it would be kind of awkward to release it during (or right before) the other party's convention.

2. It might be harder to keep it a secret nowadays?

3. A few of the ones above occurred when it wasn't 110% clear who the nominee would be (I'm thinking R64, D72, R76)

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:40 pm

If ever in recent history the best strategy is to take the high road and not feed the troll it is now. Since Drumpf has no actual content, let him keep screaming to his heart's content. If she is smart, HRC will have only one debate then focus on women, Latinos and educated people. There is no chance of taking any of Drumpf's supporters, so she needs to focus on getting out the vote.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:59 pm

Jaymann wrote:If ever in recent history the best strategy is to take the high road and not feed the troll it is now.

For the love of all that is holy, Strident Hillary needs to stay away from the convention at all costs. If that ack-Ack Mars Attack speaking cadence shows up, I will lose all hope.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:21 pm

RunningMn9 wrote: If that ack-Ack Mars Attack speaking cadence shows up, I will lose all hope.

I LOLed. Damn if that doesn't fit her to a tee.

I watched a bit of the RNC out of morbid curiosity, but I'm not sure I can watch any of the DNC.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:24 pm

Jaymann wrote: If she is smart, HRC will have only one debate then focus on women, Latinos and educated people. There is no chance of taking any of Drumpf's supporters, so she needs to focus on getting out the vote.

In any debate(s), they will be talking past one another. She will destroy him with reason and facts and he will destroy her with ridicule and accusations, and each side will congratulate itself on its great victory. They just don't speak a common political language.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:32 pm

Word is that Kaine will be the VP pick.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:44 pm

Trump just announced he'll be picking a second VP. He really hates it when others get media attention.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:44 pm

El Guapo wrote:Word is that Kaine will be the VP pick.

Hello, my friend. Stay awhile and listen...

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:50 pm

I bet YK will be thrilled. Don't blame it on me.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:51 pm

El Guapo wrote:Word is that Kane will be the VP pick.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:57 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Word is that Kane will be the VP pick.

He could probably swing some Trump voters.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:54 pm

Jaymann wrote:If ever in recent history the best strategy is to take the high road and not feed the troll it is now. Since Drumpf has no actual content, let him keep screaming to his heart's content. If she is smart, HRC will have only one debate then focus on women, Latinos and educated people. There is no chance of taking any of Drumpf's supporters, so she needs to focus on getting out the vote.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/politics/ ... index.html

It's called #TrumpYourself, and after Clinton announced its launch over Twitter on Thursday morning, her followers went to town.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:00 pm

My latest Google search: "who is tim kaine"

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:56 pm

So it's officially official, I guess?

PLW · Post by **PLW** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:01 pm

Yep.. She tweeted it out a few hours ago.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:03 pm

I haven't read up on him yet. First impression is that she doubled down on her own boring safe establishment vibe, making this election a clear referendum on the status quo.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:45 am

Max Peck wrote:So it's officially official, I guess?

Did he sleep in those clothes? He looks like he's just coming off a 3-day bender. That may not necessarily be a bad thing, however.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:56 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMHOcmDVBP0

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:09 am

Rip wrote:It isn't a good excuse but I do have to acknowledge how far behind some government IT systems are.

Want to launch a nuclear missile? You'll need a floppy disk.

That's according to a new report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), which found that the Pentagon was still using 1970s-era computing systems that require "eight-inch floppy disks."

Yes, floppy disks are still used at our nuclear bases—but there’s a good reason

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:25 am

From what I've read, Tim Kaine is a safe but smart pick. He's a moderate that seems to be pretty even-keeled. I'm generally a Virginia fan - it's a state that more or less always seems to have its act together.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:43 am

From what little I've read, he seems to meet my top three priorities when it comes to Veep pick:
1. Qualified
2. Capable
3. Qualified and Capable

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:09 pm

From what I just read this morning, Kaine almost seems like an anti-Trump, although he's much more likely to appeal to moderates than progressives.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:19 pm

If he can pull in enough anti-Trump voters, that works for me.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:35 pm

YellowKing wrote:From what I've read, Tim Kaine is a safe but smart pick. He's a moderate that seems to be pretty even-keeled. I'm generally a Virginia fan - it's a state that more or less always seems to have its act together.

Just saw his speech. I wasn't a huge fan of the pick when I heard about it last night but he more than won me over. Seems like a genuinely warm and decent fellow with a strong record of civil rights. He isn't flashy in the least, which is actually really refreshing in this election. All in all, his speech made me a bit more optimistic after Thursday night's nightmare fuel.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:57 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/krystal-b ... 73840.html

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:36 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Word is that Kane will be the VP pick.

He could probably swing some Trump voters.

Tiberium FTW.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:54 pm

He'll make NOD great again!

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:26 pm

Captain Caveman wrote:
YellowKing wrote:From what I've read, Tim Kaine is a safe but smart pick. He's a moderate that seems to be pretty even-keeled. I'm generally a Virginia fan - it's a state that more or less always seems to have its act together.
Just saw his speech. I wasn't a huge fan of the pick when I heard about it last night but he more than won me over. Seems like a genuinely warm and decent fellow with a strong record of civil rights. He isn't flashy in the least, which is actually really refreshing in this election. All in all, his speech made me a bit more optimistic after Thursday night's nightmare fuel.

I just watched it too, that was a pretty incredible speech. I'm curious to see how Trump will attack him. The only angle I can see is the 'He's coming for your guns' nonsense.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:59 pm

Trump tweet

Kaine speech a total snooze fest. Didn't mention size of penis once. Mine bigger!!!