The Hillary Clinton thread

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:50 pm

Defiant wrote:The secret is out: Hillary doesn't sweat

“There are people who have no sweat glands,” she says.

However, people with anhidrosis are more likely to overheat and may have to avoid vigorous activity and overly hot environments as a result.
Which I guess will revive the Lizard people conspiracies.

This almost year old Yahoo article filed under "beauty" is not from HRC or her doctor.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:57 pm

On Easter Sunday in 2003 my wife fainted face down on a brick patio and ended up in the ER. I just looked up the weather records for that day and it was only about 63F with 70% humidity.
I ended up fainting while standing at her bedside in the ER waiting for her to be released. Turns out we were both just hungry and probably should have had a bigger breakfast.

Maybe Clinton does have some serious health issue, or maybe she just overdid it a bit and should have had something more than a cup of coffee.
Whatever it is/was, she recovered pretty quickly and didn't look exhausted leaving her daughter's place later in the morning.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:07 pm

Archinerd wrote:On Easter Sunday in 2003 my wife fainted face down on a brick patio and ended up in the ER. I just looked up the weather records for that day and it was only about 63F with 70% humidity.
I ended up fainting while standing at her bedside in the ER waiting for her to be released. Turns out we were both just hungry and probably should have had a bigger breakfast.

Maybe Clinton does have some serious health issue, or maybe she just overdid it a bit and should have had something more than a cup of coffee.
Whatever it is/was, she recovered pretty quickly and didn't look exhausted leaving her daughter's place later in the morning.

I farted once on the set of Blue Lagoon.

I'm glad she's feeling better. I'm concerned a presidential candidate who already had people concerned about her health didn't take steps to hydrate or eat or whatever...or maybe it's something more serious.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:35 pm

It's pneumonia.

On Sunday afternoon, the Clinton campaign released a statement from her doctor, Dr. Lisa Bardack, who said Clinton had pneumonia and was suffering on Sunday from being overheated. The full statement is below:

“Secretary Clinton has been experiencing a cough related to allergies. On Friday, during follow up evaluation of her prolonged cough, she was diagnosed with pneumonia. She was put on antibiotics, and advised to rest and modify her schedule. While at this morning’s event, she became overheated and dehydrated. I have just examined her and she is now re-hydrated and recovering nicely.”

Little do they know, however, that everyone on WND is a medical doctor who knows the rare and recurring "45-minute stroke" when they see one.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:45 pm

Smutly wrote:
I'm glad she's feeling better.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:58 pm

Defiant wrote:The secret is out: Hillary doesn't sweat

“There are people who have no sweat glands,” she says.

However, people with anhidrosis are more likely to overheat and may have to avoid vigorous activity and overly hot environments as a result.

But... but... how will she have the stamina to lead us to victory against ISIS, then? Who will ride the white stallion bearing our flag?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:03 pm

Pneumonia Truthers in 3, 2, 1...

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:04 pm

Blackhawk wrote:
Defiant wrote:The secret is out: Hillary doesn't sweat

“There are people who have no sweat glands,” she says.

However, people with anhidrosis are more likely to overheat and may have to avoid vigorous activity and overly hot environments as a result.

But... but... how will she have the stamina to lead us to victory against ISIS, then? Who will ride the white stallion bearing our flag?

Being a lizard person, I believe she will just swallow the members of ISIS whole. And then swallow the white stallion.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:04 pm

Make the horse orange and you got your answer, bub! But first we need to drop all those damn lawsuits against him.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:33 pm

hepcat wrote:
Smutly wrote:
I'm glad she's feeling better.

Fuck off. Just because you can't understand that it's possible to completely disagree with someone's politics without wishing them ill will is your fucking problem.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:34 pm

I think someone else here has pneumonia and is feeling wobbly.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:50 pm

Smoove_B wrote:I think someone else here has pneumonia and is feeling wobbly.

Who is that, Smoove? I'm prepared to release my medical records if I decide to run for public office.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:58 pm

After all this time here and on GG, you still go from zero to acting like a goon when someone rattles your cage. It's a personality quirk that a few here still seemingly possess and they typically get dog piled because of it. But I like you Smutly, I value your input so try this - If somebody here gets in your face and calls you a cocksucker I want you to be nice.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:01 pm

Smoove_B wrote:After all this time here and on GG, you still go from zero to acting like a goon when someone rattles your cage. It's a personality quirk that a few here still seemingly possess and they typically get dog piled because of it. But I like you Smutly, I value your input so try this - If somebody here gets in your face and calls you a cocksucker I want you to be nice.

How about you ask people not to call others cocksuckers? I would rather that happen. I think it's 'deplorable' (to borrow from HRC) that someone would say I am disingenuous when I say I hope they're not sick. So I'm the asshole?

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:06 pm

Smutly wrote: So I'm the asshole?

Right now, yes. IMHO of course. It's also why Rip is a master at this - he's unflappable. He has embraced the Tao of Dalton. He understands the rules.

How about you ask people not to call others cocksucker

We can do any number of things - asking people to act a certain way is certainly acceptable. But in truth, how we respond to whatever they say or do likely resonates more - certainly with the silent majority.

Incidentally, this is also why Hillary is a much better candidate than Trump. Because she's doesn't get provoked into acting like a goon.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:46 pm

Smoove_B wrote:
Smutly wrote: So I'm the asshole?
Right now, yes. IMHO of course. It's also why Rip is a master at this - he's unflappable. He has embraced the Tao of Dalton. He understands the rules.

How about you ask people not to call others cocksucker
We can do any number of things - asking people to act a certain way is certainly acceptable. But in truth, how we respond to whatever they say or do likely resonates more - certainly with the silent majority.

Incidentally, this is also why Hillary is a much better candidate than Trump. Because she's doesn't get provoked into acting like a goon.

Huh. So the rules of engagement are that I must be nice and turn the other cheek, while someone from the other side calls me a cocksucker. That's about as stupid as stupid gets.

Incidentally, this is why most conservatives think liberals are condescending smug assholes. See, I can't possibly care about people. Only liberals care about people. So, I have to prove that I am able to care about another human being. And then, I have to show that I'm civil because, you know, wingnuts like me spew hate and are racists. So, I have to do these things, but you don't. The burden of proof only runs one way. I have to prove that I am even worthy of being in the conversation because all of the relevant virtues are presumed on your behalf. Bullshit.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:51 pm

You can do whatever you want - and I suspect that you will. I'm just offering some friendly advice based on almost two decades of internet forum participation. And an unabashed love for all things Dalton.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:53 pm

Smutly wrote:
Smoove_B wrote:After all this time here and on GG, you still go from zero to acting like a goon when someone rattles your cage. It's a personality quirk that a few here still seemingly possess and they typically get dog piled because of it. But I like you Smutly, I value your input so try this - If somebody here gets in your face and calls you a cocksucker I want you to be nice.
How about you ask people not to call others cocksuckers? I would rather that happen. I think it's 'deplorable' (to borrow from HRC) that someone would say I am disingenuous when I say I hope they're not sick. So I'm the asshole?

Your posting history gives me zero reason to treat you with the respect you so often demand...which usually happens on your part after you're called out for being an asshole yourself.

Grow a pair and quit whining about this kind of thing if you're going to spend a lot of your time in R&P inviting it through your own frequently combative posts.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:56 pm

I think it's telling that the Trump campaign has focused on everything BUT actual issues to undermine Hillary. Benghazi, email servers, now it's health issues. Hopefully the debates can put the focus back on actual substance. Unfortunately the Trump campaign understands that if you throw mud hard enough and long enough, it sticks.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:56 pm

hepcat wrote:
Smutly wrote:
Smoove_B wrote:After all this time here and on GG, you still go from zero to acting like a goon when someone rattles your cage. It's a personality quirk that a few here still seemingly possess and they typically get dog piled because of it. But I like you Smutly, I value your input so try this - If somebody here gets in your face and calls you a cocksucker I want you to be nice.
How about you ask people not to call others cocksuckers? I would rather that happen. I think it's 'deplorable' (to borrow from HRC) that someone would say I am disingenuous when I say I hope they're not sick. So I'm the asshole?
Your posting history gives me zero reason to treat you with the respect you so often demand...which usually happens on your part after you're called out for being an asshole yourself.

Grow a pair.

You've said that a number of times. Got it. I think you're an asshole too. We're even.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:58 pm

YellowKing wrote:I think it's telling that the Trump campaign has focused on everything BUT actual issues to undermine Hillary. Benghazi, email servers, now it's health issues. Hopefully the debates can put the focus back on actual substance. Unfortunately the Trump campaign understands that if you throw mud hard enough and long enough, it sticks.

But on the same note, was there anyone voting for Hillary this morning that watched the videos and then decided maybe she isn't a good choice? I'm not saying we shouldn't be concerned but in terms of actual voting, I'm not convinced it impacting anything.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:02 pm

There's a larger number of undecideds in this election than any other in recent memory - so it could have an impact. I think ultimately they'll break for Clinton, though.

Doctor is saying she has pneumonia. Was diagnosed on Friday and she's on antibiotics.

If I had to guess why her condition wasn't revealed on Friday, it's precisely due to fear of the "Hillary is sick" paranoia. Unfortunately her episode today backfired, since now it looks like they were trying to cover it up.

msduncan · Post by **msduncan** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:11 pm

hepcat wrote:When you rely on conspiracy theories to beat your opponents, this is what you get. Trumputin worshippers ain't got much else.

In multiple elections in the past health has been a MAJOR issue for both candidates. The media always makes a huge deal about age and health.

However, because you hate Trump so much, I guess this election is supposed to get a big assed pass on the same issue that other candidates were hammered on.

The hypocrisy of excuses, turning your head, and pretending things like this don't matter this election (from potential criminal matters, incompetence, and all the way to health of a candidate) is mind blowing.

Enjoy your "win at all cost" lifestyle. I guess that's what we have devolved into.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:24 pm

msduncan wrote:
The hypocrisy of excuses, turning your head, and pretending things like this don't matter this election (from potential criminal matters, incompetence, and all the way to health of a candidate) is mind blowing.

Just to be clear, we are talking about Trump, right?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:26 pm

msduncan wrote:
hepcat wrote:When you rely on conspiracy theories to beat your opponents, this is what you get. Trumputin worshippers ain't got much else.
In multiple elections in the past health has been a MAJOR issue for both candidates. The media always makes a huge deal about age and health.

However, because you hate Trump so much, I guess this election is supposed to get a big assed pass on the same issue that other candidates were hammered on.

But how does pneumonia weaken Clinton's viability as a presidential candidate?

People get pneumonia and are treated for it. Antibiotics temporarily weaken people, especially at the beginning of the treatment cycle. Campaigns--and this one has been running full-steam for a solid year--are grueling.

Clinton getting pneumonia is no different from you getting pneumonia.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:32 pm

msduncan wrote:
hepcat wrote:When you rely on conspiracy theories to beat your opponents, this is what you get. Trumputin worshippers ain't got much else.
In multiple elections in the past health has been a MAJOR issue for both candidates. The media always makes a huge deal about age and health.

However, because you hate Trump so much, I guess this election is supposed to get a big assed pass on the same issue that other candidates were hammered on.

The hypocrisy of excuses, turning your head, and pretending things like this don't matter this election (from potential criminal matters, incompetence, and all the way to health of a candidate) is mind blowing.

Enjoy your "win at all cost" lifestyle. I guess that's what we have devolved into.

It's can't be that we have heard their arguments on various issues and rejected them. It's that we aren't smart enough to realize that they are right.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:36 pm

Smutly wrote: It's can't be that we have heard their arguments on various issues and rejected them. It's that we aren't smart enough to realize that they are right.

People reject arguments for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes they even have a point in doing so.

What about all the arguments for Clinton and against Trump that carry majority weight here? Are we stupid? Sheeple? Only you really understand the world?

Of course arguments *for* Trump are pretty thin on the ground. Care to make one?

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:39 pm

I don't know. The super secret plan to destroy ISIS in 8 and a half minutes is pretty compelling.

geezer · Post by **geezer** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:42 pm

Holman wrote:
Smutly wrote: It's can't be that we have heard their arguments on various issues and rejected them. It's that we aren't smart enough to realize that they are right.
People reject arguments for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes they even have a point in doing so.

What about all the arguments for Clinton and against Trump that carry majority weight here? Are we stupid? Sheeple? Only you really understand the world?

Of course arguments *for* Trump are pretty thin on the ground. Care to make one?

And that's really the bottom line. There's not really any logical argument FOR Trump. (And of course, nearly all the anti-Clinton arguments apply equally, usually moreso, to Trump). I get the argument (even if I don't agree) that some people can't, in good conscience vote for either of them. But the argument that Trump is a better candidate is, frankly, nearly indefensible because he has every weakness Clinton does in addition to his other unsavory leanings.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:43 pm

It's that you have no credibility, throw out reckless attacks and speculative arguments of little substance Smutly.

At least Hillary didn't throw up on a fellow head of state during a diplomatic meeting.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:49 pm

Holman wrote:
Smutly wrote: It's can't be that we have heard their arguments on various issues and rejected them. It's that we aren't smart enough to realize that they are right.
People reject arguments for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes they even have a point in doing so.

What about all the arguments for Clinton and against Trump that carry majority weight here? Are we stupid? Sheeple? Only you really understand the world?

Of course arguments *for* Trump are pretty thin on the ground. Care to make one?

He doesn't have pneumonia.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:51 pm

And he's told us he has a great brain.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:51 pm

But....but....Trump promises to make America grape again.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:53 pm

Now that I think about it, Kool-Aid guy might be more qualified than Trump.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:54 pm

tgb wrote:Now that I think about it, Kool-Aid guy might be more qualified than Trump.

Ain't no wall gonna slow him down.

Wilhelm · Post by **Wilhelm** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:00 pm

msduncan wrote: However, because you hate Trump so much, I guess this election is supposed to get a big assed pass on the same issue that other candidates were hammered on.

Name me one plank of Trump's platform that addresses an issue (any issue) that provides a realistic, pragmatic path towards its stated goal. Bullshit like "it's great," or "I'm great," or "I know great people," or "I''m rich," does not count.

I'm serious, tell me what Trump offers in real terms. Tell me why Donald Trump should get my vote to lead this country and represent us on the world stage. Not in terms of Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz, tell me what the hell Trump is going to do that is worth my consideration.

I have not read or heard of anything from Trump's campaign that leads me to believe he brings anything to the table but a blowhole.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:02 pm

Holman wrote:
Smutly wrote: It's can't be that we have heard their arguments on various issues and rejected them. It's that we aren't smart enough to realize that they are right.
People reject arguments for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes they even have a point in doing so.

What about all the arguments for Clinton and against Trump that carry majority weight here? Are we stupid? Sheeple? Only you really understand the world?

Of course arguments *for* Trump are pretty thin on the ground. Care to make one?

Hey, I'm not voting for Trump so I feel no need to make an argument for him. I do, however, feel more strongly that Hillary is morally and ethically challenged. You guys don't care about that, so you can't be moved away from supporting her. Your willingness to support a morally bankrupt individual doesn't make you stupid. It just describes your character. But if you can sleep at night, have at it.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:10 pm

I think the only proof you need that Trump is a terrible candidate is the fact that so many Republicans are voting for Hillary Clinton. I include myself in that bucket since I just recently went Independent - and that was not due to Trump, but due to the NC Republican party.

I mean, it's not like I suddenly woke up one day and said, "You know, Hillary's not all that bad! I think I'll vote for her for a change!" This is a woman I've disliked for DECADES. But ultimately even that's not enough for me to vote for someone so disastrously unqualified as Trump. What's even more bizarre about the whole thing is that Trump is no more a conservative than the man in the moon, which is what's so weird about the hardcore right-wingers like my stepdad rallying around him. McCain was more of a conservative than he is, and my stepdad freaking despised McCain for his "liberal" viewpoints.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:13 pm

Smutly wrote: Hey, I'm not voting for Trump so I feel no need to make an argument for him. I do, however, feel more strongly that Hillary is morally and ethically challenged. You guys don't care about that, so you can't be moved away from supporting her. Your willingness to support a morally bankrupt individual doesn't make you stupid. It just describes your character. But if you can sleep at night, have at it.

Nice way to avoid the personal attack. Seize that high ground you keep saying you're after.

Few people here think Clinton has made no mistakes, and few think she hasn't bent the truth as politicians do. But 95% of the attacks made on her are without basis, and it has come to the point where, yes, we really don't believe it when Breitbart says she delighted in the deaths at Benghazi or WND says she's planning to put conservatives in concentration camps or Alex Jones says she's a space alien from a Satanic dimension.

Clinton is a politician who does politician things. She commits gaffes and she isn't overwhelmingly charismatic. But she's totally prepared, completely serious, overwhelmingly qualified, devoted to reasonable ideals with which most Americans agree, and heads a sane platform to do what's right for the country. None of that, not one bit of it, can be said of her opponent.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:15 pm

tgb wrote:But....but....Trump promises to make America grape again.

Why does Kool-Aid Man have nipple rings?