The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:39 am

Isgrimnur wrote:
tgb wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:
Francisco Franco ruled until 1975.
Is he still dead?
He is, but twenty years is a good post-WWII stretch.

Also a good twenty year sketch.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:42 am

For the nitpicky - drop in the word Democratically elected then.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:43 am

Smoove_B wrote:
Blackhawk wrote:He might have thought twice about the risks/rewards of his ploy.
The fact that he's polling higher than 5% reflects more on the American public than anything else at this point. It's unthinkable.

I'm waiting for the election before I become too critical. I'm still hoping for a surprise drubbing. We'll see.

This election cycle has certainly illustrated that the candidate is less important than the party he belongs to, which is pretty revealing. In the past, both candidates have been within a reasonable margin of error of being reasonable, professional politicians and human beings, so it was harder to make that observation. Now, with Drumpf being an absolute travesty and the race still being so close, it is very clear that there is a lot of partisanship that's based on nothing but "us vs them" mentality.

I truly believe that a significant portion of the hatred for Clinton is based on an extended propaganda campaign that has lasted decades. She's certainly not perfect, and yes, has engaged in some questionable stuff, at least from an optics standpoint, but she is no where near the anti-christ that many people portray her as. 4 billion investigations have proven that. No one could engage in criminal activity successfully with that much scrutiny and motivation for finding wrong doing. No one.

So either Clinton is a super villain genius (the type that exists in comic books) or she's just a normal politician that has had a long lasting and effective smear campaign against her.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:47 am

malchior wrote:For the nitpicky - drop in the word Democratically elected then.

Duterte looks to be in the running.

In a rambling speech on his arrival in Davao City after a visit to Vietnam, Duterte told reporters that he had been "portrayed to be a cousin of Hitler" by critics.

Noting that Hitler had murdered millions of Jews, Duterte said: "There are three million drug addicts (in the Philippines). I'd be happy to slaughter them.

"If Germany had Hitler, the Philippines would have...," he said, pausing and pointing to himself.

"You know my victims. I would like (them) to be all criminals to finish the problem of my country and save the next generation from perdition."

Duterte was voted to power in a May election on the back of a vow to end drugs and corruption in the country of 100 million people. He took office on June 30 and over 3,100 people have been killed since then, mostly alleged drug users and dealers, in police operations and in vigilante killings.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:49 am

I tend to believe as you do but think it is far more multivariate. For example, I don't think you can discount complete weariness for what she represents. And she has been a very good soldier for the Corporate state - so it isn't all that unfair. There are other factors but while I am sure someone will craft some tidy narrative eventually - it isn't a simple problem. There has been a storm brewing for decades and Drumpf is likely a direct outcome of it.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:51 am

Max Peck wrote:Duterte looks to be in the running.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to label him "western world", however.

You might have better luck with all the tin-pot dictators down in South America.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:53 am

Also for the most part it is totally logical to vote based on the party rather than the individual. Especially these days 90% of what you get policy-wise is driven by the party affiliation, with slight tweaks for what the individual candidate prioritizes. It's just that this year one of the candidates is American Hitler, which is a reality that the country / the media has had trouble adjusting to.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:54 am

Grifman wrote:You can take the Fifth Amendment in a civil case? Learn something new every day. Law and Order never taught me that!

You should have been watching Judge Judy.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:55 am

The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:02 am

Smoove_B wrote:
Blackhawk wrote:He might have thought twice about the risks/rewards of his ploy.
The fact that he's polling higher than 5% reflects more on the American public than anything else at this point. It's unthinkable.

I'm thinking about a year from now when he's lost and all of his closet skeletons are now in the hands of various agencies and courts. Plus, his brand name may currently be at an all time high, but I have a feeling that when President Clinton V2.0 takes the oath, all of his current supporters will be blaming him for all of their woes.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:08 am

Isgrimnur wrote:
Max Peck wrote:Duterte looks to be in the running.
I think you'd be hard-pressed to label him "western world", however.

Fair enough.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:12 am

Blackhawk wrote:I'm thinking about a year from now when he's lost and all of his closet skeletons are now in the hands of various agencies and courts. Plus, his brand name may currently be at an all time high, but I have a feeling that when President Clinton V2.0 takes the oath, all of his current supporters will be blaming him for all of their woes.

You might be on to something. He ego could be so large (it's the largest) that he figured being able to get away with whatever financial/accounting nonsense he's be doing for decades, the gravy-train would continue (and grow) after running for President. However, he never realized the microscope he'd be put under and/or he believed he's still smarter than the investigators because he's been getting away with it for so long. I guess a that potentially makes him a little like a serial killer.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:19 am

malchior wrote:I tend to believe as you do but think it is far more multivariate. For example, I don't think you can discount complete weariness for what she represents. And she has been a very good soldier for the Corporate state - so it isn't all that unfair. There are other factors but while I am sure someone will craft some tidy narrative eventually - it isn't a simple problem. There has been a storm brewing for decades and Drumpf is likely a direct outcome of it.

+1

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:57 am

Chuck Todd brought up a good point this morning.

There's an old maxim in sales. People buy for emotional reasons, not logical. Trump connects with a segment of the country on a visceral level, which is why he can get away with murder and not lose support.

Wonky Hillary is appealing to minds and not hearts.

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GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:58 am

malchior wrote:I tend to believe as you do but think it is far more multivariate. For example, I don't think you can discount complete weariness for what she represents. And she has been a very good soldier for the Corporate state - so it isn't all that unfair. There are other factors but while I am sure someone will craft some tidy narrative eventually - it isn't a simple problem. There has been a storm brewing for decades and Drumpf is likely a direct outcome of it.

There are legitimate concerns about Clinton, especially if her politics and yours don't jibe. The sheer hatred and antipathy she receives cannot be based solely on these differences though, because she's as average/vanilla (in terms of outlandish policies) as you can get. Does she have even one position that is not a mainstream position? Not that I know of.

And like you said, THAT might be the problem and why some people are loath to vote for her, but that doesn't explain the red hot hatred she inspires in a lot of people.

You don't hate people who are boring you to death. You just want them to go away. But are you willing to bring in your racist, sexist uncle to eat at your table every night and run your finances for you? That seems like a pretty extreme solution to boredom or fatigue with the status quo.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:59 am

El Guapo wrote:Also for the most part it is totally logical to vote based on the party rather than the individual. Especially these days 90% of what you get policy-wise is driven by the party affiliation, with slight tweaks for what the individual candidate prioritizes. It's just that this year one of the candidates is American Hitler, which is a reality that the country / the media has had trouble adjusting to.

Fair enough. Although even rudimentary examination shows that Drumpf is not only not a conservative, or a Republican, but also not controlled by the Republican party. He's chaos in the form of russian roulette, except there's only 1 bullet missing instead of five.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:06 pm

GreenGoo wrote:But are you willing to bring in your racist, sexist uncle to eat at your table every night and run your finances for you? That seems like a pretty extreme solution to boredom or fatigue with the status quo.

Racist, sexist uncles vote as well. And sometimes, they host dinner.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:14 pm

Trump deposition video to be released as soon as today.

This should be good.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:25 pm

Smoove_B wrote:
Blackhawk wrote:He might have thought twice about the risks/rewards of his ploy.
The fact that he's polling higher than 5% reflects more on the American public than anything else at this point. It's unthinkable.

Unthinkable is a good word. So is sad. And pathetic. Shameful, even.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:26 pm

El Guapo wrote:Trump deposition video to be released as soon as today.

This should be good.

I'll make the popcorn.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:52 pm

Wait, wait guys there is now proof that Trump's shady foundation does do actual charity. We have just learned they donate to anti-vaxxer Jenny McCarthy. And based on comments on the campaign trail I think we can all eagerly await for POTUS Trump to make America great for the measles again.

Oh, and after telling us that Trump was totally being legit for calling Miss Universe Machado miss piggy because you aren't supposed to gain 60 pounds, Newt finally clears everything up lol. You see Machado is “as false as Benghazi” and is “the new Benghazi lie.”

So now that we know Benghazi was a lie placed upon us by the elite media, are the House Republicans ready to shut down the hearings (already much longer than ones we held for 911, Pearl Harbor, etc)? Um, not so much.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:05 pm

tgb wrote:Chuck Todd brought up a good point this morning.

There's an old maxim in sales. People buy for emotional reasons, not logical. Trump connects with a segment of the country on a visceral level, which is why he can get away with murder and not lose support.

Wonky Hillary is appealing to minds and not hearts.

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South Park is doing a season long story arc that hilariously covers that using Garrison as the Trump stand in:

Randy: Okay. What the [bleep] is wrong with you people?! I just saw a new poll that says more and more of you are thinking about voting for that douche!
Stephen: Some of us are. A lot of people like what he has to say, all right?
Randy: You’re telling me that after that debate, you still want to vote for that guy?
Stephen: More than ever. Yep.
Randy: Did you see the same debates I saw?
Stephen: Don’t you get it, Randy? There's people in this country who are sick and tired. Tired of hearing all the rhetoric. Tired of Washington failing us while they pat their own backs. Finally, someone comes along who says what he feels. That's why people like him. Because, say what you want, at least he doesn't sound like another politician.
Mr. Garrison: America, please listen to me. I have no idea how to be president. I am a complete jackass and I have made a giant mistake here. [Cheering continues] No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Why are you clapping? I am not a good person for the White House. I am not a good person period!
Man: Finally, someone who doesn't talk like a politician!

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:19 pm

Trek Against Trump

Star Trek has always offered a positive vision of the future, a vision of hope and optimism, and most importantly, a vision of inclusion, where people of all races are accorded equal respect and dignity, where individual beliefs and lifestyles are respected so long as they pose no threat to others. We cannot turn our backs on what is happening in the upcoming election. Never has there been a presidential candidate who stands in such complete opposition to the ideals of the Star Trek universe as Donald Trump. His election would take this country backward, perhaps disastrously. We need to elect a president who will move this country forward into the kind of future we all dream of: where personal differences are understood and accepted, where science overrules superstition, where people work together instead of against each other.

The resolution of conflicts on Star Trek was never easy. Don’t remain aloof –vote! We have heard people say they will vote Green or Libertarian or not at all because the two major candidates are equally flawed. That is both illogical and inaccurate. Either Secretary Clinton or Mr. Trump will occupy the White House. One is an amateur with a contemptuous ignorance of national laws and international realities, while the other has devoted her life to public service, and has deep and valuable experience with the proven ability to work with Congress to pass desperately needed legislation. If, as some say, the government is broken, a protest vote will not fix it.

Have you just turned 18? Have you moved? Have you never voted before? Some states have early registration (early October) and/or absentee ballots. You can’t vote if you are not registered. So make it so. Go to (rock the vote), a non-profit, non-partisan organization, and fulfill your civic duty. Because, damn it, you are a citizen of the USA, with an obligation to take part in our democracy! Do this not merely for yourself but for all the generations that follow. Vote for a future of enlightenment and inclusion, a future that will someday lead us to the stars.

Endorsed by:

Spoiler:

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:50 pm

Awesome.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:58 pm

Pretty sure there's a number of non-Americans on that list though, FWIW.

Fitzy · Post by **Fitzy** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:33 pm

hepcat wrote:
tgb wrote:Chuck Todd brought up a good point this morning.

There's an old maxim in sales. People buy for emotional reasons, not logical. Trump connects with a segment of the country on a visceral level, which is why he can get away with murder and not lose support.

Wonky Hillary is appealing to minds and not hearts.

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South Park is doing a season long story arc that hilariously covers that using Garrison as the Trump stand in:

Randy: Okay. What the [bleep] is wrong with you people?! I just saw a new poll that says more and more of you are thinking about voting for that douche!
Stephen: Some of us are. A lot of people like what he has to say, all right?
Randy: You’re telling me that after that debate, you still want to vote for that guy?
Stephen: More than ever. Yep.
Randy: Did you see the same debates I saw?
Stephen: Don’t you get it, Randy? There's people in this country who are sick and tired. Tired of hearing all the rhetoric. Tired of Washington failing us while they pat their own backs. Finally, someone comes along who says what he feels. That's why people like him. Because, say what you want, at least he doesn't sound like another politician.
Mr. Garrison: America, please listen to me. I have no idea how to be president. I am a complete jackass and I have made a giant mistake here. [Cheering continues] No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Why are you clapping? I am not a good person for the White House. I am not a good person period!
Man: Finally, someone who doesn't talk like a politician!

When did Rip become a South Park writer?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:38 pm

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Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:49 pm

tgb wrote:Awesome.

William Shatner is conspicuously absent.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:54 pm

July '15

In yet another attempt to prove that he’s an actual human being — he “auditioned” for “The Simpsons” last month — Texas Senator and Republican presidential hopeful Ted Cruz spoke at strange length about his affinity for Captain Kirk.

Ana Marie Cox noted that Cruz is a well-known fan of “Star Trek,” and asked him whether he preferred the original series’ Captain Kirk, played by William Shatner, or Jean-Luc Picard of “The Next Generation,” played by Patrick Stewart. “Absolutely James Tiberius Kirk,” he replied.

He then proceeded to “do a little psychoanalysis,” saying that “f you look at ‘Star Trek: The Next Generation,’ it basically split James T. Kirk into two people. Picard was Kirk’s rational side, and William Riker was his passionate side. I prefer a complete captain. To be effective, you need both heart and mind.”

Cruz added that Kirk was “working class” and a “passionate fighter for justice,” whereas Picard was an “aristocrat” and “cerebral philosopher,” which is why — to his mind — “it is quite likely that Kirk is a Republican and Picard is a Democrat.”

Upon learning that the iconic character he played had been outed as a member of the Grand Old Party, William Shatner took to Twitter to reply:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/stat ... 4942433280[/tweet]

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:15 pm

Kraken wrote:
tgb wrote:Awesome.
William Shatner is conspicuously absent.

William Shatner is conspicuously Canadian, they don't count

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:24 pm

Jeff V wrote:Pretty sure there's a number of non-Americans on that list though, FWIW.

There are even some non-Humans (and even non-Federation citizens) on that list.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:31 pm

Funny - I always like to talk about the future in terms of Star Trek. At present I tend to allude the future looks a whole lot less like the United Federation of Planets and a lot more like Elysium or Gattaca as the world is presently angled. Putting aside all the Star Trek timelines around WW3 and eugenics.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:32 pm

Grifman wrote:
Kraken wrote:
tgb wrote:Awesome.
William Shatner is conspicuously absent.
William Shatner is conspicuously Canadian, they don't count

Poppycock! I demand to see his birth certificate!

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:45 pm

malchior wrote:Funny - I always like to talk about the future in terms of Star Trek. At present I tend to allude the future looks a whole lot less like the United Federation of Planets and a lot more like Elysium or Gattaca as the world is presently angled. Putting aside all the Star Trek timelines around WW3 and eugenics.

Speaking of eugenics

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:56 pm

Grifman wrote:
Kraken wrote:
tgb wrote:Awesome.
William Shatner is conspicuously absent.
William Shatner is conspicuously Canadian, they don't count

IIRC Nicole deBoer is as well, and I believe Marina Sirtis is English, although she might have been assimilated by the American borg.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:13 pm

That northern wall can't come soon enough.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:34 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:
malchior wrote:I tend to believe as you do but think it is far more multivariate. For example, I don't think you can discount complete weariness for what she represents. And she has been a very good soldier for the Corporate state - so it isn't all that unfair. There are other factors but while I am sure someone will craft some tidy narrative eventually - it isn't a simple problem. There has been a storm brewing for decades and Drumpf is likely a direct outcome of it.
+1

Bernie's unexpected strength in the primaries showed the depth of anti-establishment sentiment even among Democrats and liberals. I said then that nominating Clinton (the consummate insider) would be a mistake for that reason, and I believe it's a large part of why she can't put Trump away despite his antics. All the endorsements in the world won't help her overcome that, and indeed only reinforce it.

Another thing that I think people are missing is that the "culture wars" we've been hearing about for at least 10 years now have become a Real Thing since Trump embraced the Deplorables, and that's not going to fade away after the election regardless of who wins.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:02 pm

Kraken wrote:
Carpet_pissr wrote: Bernie's unexpected strength in the primaries showed the depth of anti-establishment sentiment even among Democratic-leaning independents.

Fixed that for you. And I think much of it had more to do with Clinton's image than with being anti-establishment. The same people love Obama (who is, by his very position, establishment)

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:55 pm

Serious Question for em2nought - When Trump says "Make America Great Again", what does that mean to you? What would a "Great" America be for you, and what point in the history of this great country was the "Great" that we should be again?

Default · Post by **Default** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:18 pm

Me too. Normally, all I hear is SLOGAN!!! and not anything concrete specific.