The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:19 am

This may be the biggest sin of all.

(Very brief NSFW moment at the end.)

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:42 am

All signs point to Trump believing that Old Yeller is a feel-good movie.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:58 am

Max Peck wrote:All signs point to Trump believing that Old Yeller is a feel-good movie.

He seems like he probably tortured small animals as a kid. The sons probably did as well.

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:31 pm

I know it's Buzzfeed, but Trump appears to demean soldiers that suffer from PTSD. Charitably reading the line, maybe he just meant to imply that everyone there was super-strong and worthy of praise. However, the potential implication otherwise about soldiers with PTSD is... Ugh.

After saying there are around 22 veteran suicides a day, Trump explained to the room of veterans what PTSD was.

“When people come back from war and combat and they see maybe what the people in this room have seen many times over, and you’re strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it,” Trump said.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:44 pm

I think Trump needs a holiday in Cambodia.

Exodor · Post by **Exodor** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:59 pm

I find it amusing that the Trump surrogates were out in force this weekend insisting that losing $900M is a proof that Trump is a good businessman.

It's also funny to me that some want to credit Trump for being clever with his taxes when I'm pretty sure his only contribution was to sign his name on the document after the accountants finished the preparation.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:20 pm

Exodor wrote:I find it amusing that the Trump surrogates were out in force this weekend insisting that losing $900M is a proof that Trump is a good businessman.

A lesser businessman might have been a greater loser in the same circumstance. Or something like that. Of course, it would be very un-Donaldlike to admit that someone is possibly greater, even talking about a greater loser.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:25 pm

All the tax stuff aside, the real fallout for Trump is that the media narrative went from "This race is a dead heat," to "Trump's screwed." That's not a good position to be in this close to Election Day.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:30 pm

Don't worry. Assange has promised a wikileaks bombshell tomorrow morning for Hillary. Apparently it's going to knock her out of the race.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:04 pm

Would have been today but 'security concerns'...oh and RT is running a story about how Clinton wanted to assassinate him with a drone. We totally shouldn't be concerned about all the weird Russian connections.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:10 pm

Dogstar wrote:I know it's Buzzfeed, but Trump appears to demean soldiers that suffer from PTSD. Charitably reading the line, maybe he just meant to imply that everyone there was super-strong and worthy of praise. However, the potential implication otherwise about soldiers with PTSD is... Ugh.

After saying there are around 22 veteran suicides a day, Trump explained to the room of veterans what PTSD was.

“When people come back from war and combat and they see maybe what the people in this room have seen many times over, and you’re strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it,” Trump said.

Oddly enough, Buzzfeed has a dedicated investigative reporting team, K-File, that is doing good work on this election. Which doesn't make much sense considering that Buzzfeed is basically a clickbait trap at best otherwise ("The Top Ten Reasons Buzzfeed is Pure Clickbait, you'll never guess #7!"). And regardless, this Trump comment is now being confirmed by multiple media outlets. No surprise since he dissed McCain for getting captured, it seems to call PTSD suffers weak fits right in with that repugnant narrative. How is it that he is winning the military vote again?

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:12 pm

Enough wrote:How is it that he is winning the military vote again?

Guns, fuck yeah!

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:16 pm

malchior wrote:Would have been today but 'security concerns'...oh and RT is running a story about how Clinton wanted to assassinate him with a drone. We totally shouldn't be concerned about all the weird Russian connections.

If we're yelled at for thinking Trump telling gun owners that they should take matters into their own hands should Hillary win was anything but a joke, why can't Hillary be afforded the same benefit of the doubt?

oh...wait...Hillary Goddamn Clinton?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:19 pm

September

Overall, 47 percent of military and veteran voters said they would not be confident in Trump's ability to serve as an effective commander-in-chief of the U.S. military. A slight majority (53 percent) of these voters would feel confident in his ability to serve effectively.

Among all registered voters, 59 percent would not be confident in his ability to serve as commander-in-chief of the military and just 39 percent would feel confident.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:31 pm

Exodor wrote:I find it amusing that the Trump surrogates were out in force this weekend insisting that losing $900M is a proof that Trump is a good businessman.

It's also funny to me that some want to credit Trump for being clever with his taxes when I'm pretty sure his only contribution was to sign his name on the document after the accountants finished the preparation.

In fairness, a lot of people lost money in that recession, and I think the point the surrogates are trying to make is that he bounced back. Perhaps. His many bankruptcies are lot more relevant to the conversation.

I think the tax thing is a tempest in a teapot - his accountant took advantage of some legal loopholes. There's a lot more lower-hanging fruit to pelt Trump with than that.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:37 pm

He's on record stating numerous times that the housing crisis was great for him. It allowed him to buy up real estate on the cheap. I suspect that 918 billion dollar loss was due more to incompetence than circumstance.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:43 pm

hepcat wrote:He's on record stating numerous times that the housing crisis was great for him. It allowed him to buy up real estate on the cheap. I suspect that 918 billion dollar loss was due more to incompetence than circumstance.

1995 was the start of the dot com bubble (and my tech career, conveniently). The housing crisis was more than a decade later.

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:57 pm

Enough wrote:
Dogstar wrote:I know it's Buzzfeed, but Trump appears to demean soldiers that suffer from PTSD. Charitably reading the line, maybe he just meant to imply that everyone there was super-strong and worthy of praise. However, the potential implication otherwise about soldiers with PTSD is... Ugh.

After saying there are around 22 veteran suicides a day, Trump explained to the room of veterans what PTSD was.

“When people come back from war and combat and they see maybe what the people in this room have seen many times over, and you’re strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it,” Trump said.
Oddly enough, Buzzfeed has a dedicated investigative reporting team, K-File, that is doing good work on this election. Which doesn't make much sense considering that Buzzfeed is basically a clickbait trap at best otherwise ("The Top Ten Reasons Buzzfeed is Pure Clickbait, you'll never guess #7!"). And regardless, this Trump comment is now being confirmed by multiple media outlets. No surprise since he dissed McCain for getting captured, it seems to call PTSD suffers weak fits right in with that repugnant narrative. How is it that he is winning the military vote again?

CNN just poached K-File from Buzzfeed.

Exodor · Post by **Exodor** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:01 pm

hepcat wrote:He's on record stating numerous times that the housing crisis was great for him. It allowed him to buy up real estate on the cheap. I suspect that 918 billion dollar loss was due more to incompetence than circumstance.

He's also on record repeatedly bashing those who "don't pay taxes."

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:04 pm

Exodor wrote:
hepcat wrote:He's on record stating numerous times that the housing crisis was great for him. It allowed him to buy up real estate on the cheap. I suspect that 918 billion dollar loss was due more to incompetence than circumstance.
He's also on record repeatedly bashing those who "don't pay taxes."

And as I stated earlier, members of NATO that "don't pay their fair share." I can't be angry that is accountants performed wizardry, because he's not alone. But let's not pretend this means he's a genius.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:08 pm

...or that he has a big penis.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:34 pm

hepcat wrote:...or that he has a big penis.

His penis mightier than his sword.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:36 pm

Alefroth wrote:
hepcat wrote:...or that he has a big penis.
His penis mightier than his sword.

Can we lock this thread now?

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:00 pm

TRUMP'S PENIS CANNOT BE CONTAINED BY YOUR PUNY HUMAN "LOCK"!

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:03 pm

hepcat wrote:TRUMP'S PENIS CANNOT BE CONTAINED BY YOUR PUNY HUMAN "LOCK"!

Not even a cock lock?

Note to self: Never Google the phrase "cock lock" again.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:06 pm

Why in god's name would you even look that up??? Just put it in your reply and run. I use syphilitic mad man all the time in my replies to you, but I've never once googled it!

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:06 pm

hepcat wrote:Why in god's name would you even look that up??? Just put it in your reply and run. I use syphilitic mad man all the time in my replies to you, but I've never once googled it!

Why do you tempt me so?

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:23 pm

Huh. The Huffington Post did an article on the CB-3000 back in 2012. I never would have guessed.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:08 pm

Exodor wrote:He's also on record repeatedly bashing those who "don't pay taxes."

I'm in the 'tempest in a teapot' camp as well with his not paying taxes except for this. If I had a legal way to not pay taxes then I wouldn't pay taxes either. The best interpretation of this for him is that he is admonishing "the system" and not other people and that he really believes the tax code needs to be changed to eliminate the same loop holes he (and other "super" rich people) use. However you spin it, it still doesn't look good.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:08 pm

Smutly wrote:I'm in the 'tempest in a teapot' camp as well with his not paying taxes except for this. If I had a legal way to not pay taxes then I wouldn't pay taxes either.

Bring me that fainting couch please. I'm shocked that you of all people would say something like this...because...the roads, schools, power infrastructure, the army...everything we all depend on comes from fairy dust (or just poor people struggling to get by). I just don't get it when people say this. It is the calling card of an immature, selfish leech.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:27 pm

Mr. Justice Holmes said “Taxes are what we pay for civilized society.” Too many individuals, however, want the civilization at a discount.
- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 1 June 1937

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:34 pm

Meh.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanellis/2 ... 9c94e16578

Over the weekend, the New York Times reported that they had obtained a copy of Donald Trump’s 1995 New York state tax return (whoever sent it committed a felony). It showed that he claimed a net operating loss (NOL) of about $900 million that year.

What followed was a collective explosion of talking heads over the weekend, with the theatrics inversely proportional to the pundit’s knowledge of tax policy.

To state the obvious, political reporters don’t know a damned thing about taxes. I know this–believe me (to channel my inner Donald). Part of what I do for a living is prepare people’s taxes in the Washington, DC area. As an Enrolled Agent, I run into all sorts of clients. The most political (that is, horse race/hot take) clients compete with performing artists for the least amount of knowledge when it comes to taxes. I’ve even had some of them forget to bring their W-2s to a tax session.

That ignorance was on display in vivid colors over the weekend. We were told that this tricky NOL was some sort of “loophole” that only super-rich bad guys like Donald Trump got to use. We were told that this relieved him of having to pay taxes for 18 years, a laughably arbitrary, made up number that is the tautological output of simple arithmetic and wild assumptions.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:42 pm

It's kind of strange, right? Instead of coming out in July or August and releasing his returns with all kinds of supporting statements and explanations for what they reveal we now have the media jumping to conclusions and coming up with wild theories based a set of papers mailed from a clandestine source. How did this happen??

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:49 pm

Smoove_B wrote:It's kind of strange, right? Instead of coming out in July or August and releasing his returns with all kinds of supporting statements and explanations for what they reveal we now have the media jumping to conclusions and coming up with wild theories based a set of papers mailed from a clandestine source. How did this happen??

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:04 pm

malchior wrote:
Smutly wrote:I'm in the 'tempest in a teapot' camp as well with his not paying taxes except for this. If I had a legal way to not pay taxes then I wouldn't pay taxes either.
Bring me that fainting couch please. I'm shocked that you of all people would say something like this...because...the roads, schools, power infrastructure, the army...everything we all depend on comes from fairy dust (or just poor people struggling to get by). I just don't get it when people say this. It is the calling card of an immature, selfish leech.

That is EXACTLY what St. Vincent dePaul says when I show up to serve meals to the homeless. It's also what the letters I receive say after I donate thousands to help underprivileged youth or children with developmental issues. It's often mummered when I use weeks of my vacation each year for non-profits. You know me so well, malchior.

You can drop the personal attacks. I pay my taxes. But if the government sets up the rules for me to get deductions and credits then blame the government -- not the person who follows their rules. I would much rather take my money and use it in my community than to give it to a Federal government that pisses it away in any direction you care to look.

Default · Post by **Default** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:05 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:
hepcat wrote:Why in god's name would you even look that up??? Just put it in your reply and run. I use syphilitic mad man all the time in my replies to you, but I've never once googled it!
Why do you tempt me so?

Can you please look up the statistics on the number of syphilitic men that suffer from mental illness as opposed to those who don't?

My Google-fu has failed me and you are my only hope!

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:13 pm

Personally... I was raised to do both private charity and to not claim everything under the sun to limit my tax bill (take truly legit deductions only). It gets a bit awkward when at family dinners my uncle details how he registers all his cars in Montana since its loads cheaper than in CO where he lives/drives, or when someone else talks about making every hobby a home business to write them off, etc. It's obviously a fuzzy line here, but I'm going to guess Smutly's tax avoidance strategies are entirely less icky and way more legit then what Trump has done.

Default · Post by **Default** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:14 pm

Smutly wrote:
malchior wrote:
Smutly wrote:I'm in the 'tempest in a teapot' camp as well with his not paying taxes except for this. If I had a legal way to not pay taxes then I wouldn't pay taxes either.
Bring me that fainting couch please. I'm shocked that you of all people would say something like this...because...the roads, schools, power infrastructure, the army...everything we all depend on comes from fairy dust (or just poor people struggling to get by). I just don't get it when people say this. It is the calling card of an immature, selfish leech.
That is EXACTLY what St. Vincent dePaul says when I show up to serve meals to the homeless. It's also what the letters I receive say after I donate thousands to help underprivileged youth or children with developmental issues. It's often mummered when I use weeks of my vacation each year for non-profits. You know me so well, malchior.

You can drop the personal attacks. I pay my taxes. But if the government sets up the rules for me to get deductions and credits then blame the government -- not the person who follows their rules. I would much rather take my money and use it in my community than to give it to a Federal government that pisses it away in any direction you care to look.

I suspect that if a loved one was kidnapped, you would send a telegraph to your local sheriff and he would ride his horse down the gravel road to look for her/him.

Why piss your tax dollars away on modern means when you can save a few bucks?

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:34 pm

Enough wrote:Personally... I was raised to do both private charity and to not claim everything under the sun to limit my tax bill (take truly legit deductions only). It gets a bit awkward when at family dinners my uncle details how he registers all his cars in Montana since its loads cheaper than in CO where he lives/drives, or when someone else talks about making every hobby a home business to write them off, etc. It's obviously a fuzzy line here, but I'm going to guess Smutly's tax avoidance strategies are entirely less icky and way more legit then what Trump has done.

Unfortunately, my taxes are straight forward.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:37 pm

Default wrote:
Smutly wrote:
malchior wrote:
Smutly wrote:I'm in the 'tempest in a teapot' camp as well with his not paying taxes except for this. If I had a legal way to not pay taxes then I wouldn't pay taxes either.
Bring me that fainting couch please. I'm shocked that you of all people would say something like this...because...the roads, schools, power infrastructure, the army...everything we all depend on comes from fairy dust (or just poor people struggling to get by). I just don't get it when people say this. It is the calling card of an immature, selfish leech.
That is EXACTLY what St. Vincent dePaul says when I show up to serve meals to the homeless. It's also what the letters I receive say after I donate thousands to help underprivileged youth or children with developmental issues. It's often mummered when I use weeks of my vacation each year for non-profits. You know me so well, malchior.

You can drop the personal attacks. I pay my taxes. But if the government sets up the rules for me to get deductions and credits then blame the government -- not the person who follows their rules. I would much rather take my money and use it in my community than to give it to a Federal government that pisses it away in any direction you care to look.
I suspect that if a loved one was kidnapped, you would send a telegraph to your local sheriff and he would ride his horse down the gravel road to look for her/him.

Why piss your tax dollars away on modern means when you can save a few bucks?

When my brother was murdered abroad the authorities did absolutely nothing. So, I guess whatever part of my taxes should have supported the Ambassador giving a shit were wasted.