The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:49 pm

This was actually on the front page of Fox News. It wasn't the headline, but it was there. Color me surprised.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:22 pm

Well . . . there's your candidate, religious right, and family values voters, and evangelicals, and women, and decent human beings.

Can they really vote for him after this? He can't run away from this. And it's not locker room banter - it was said to a reporter (granted, an Access Hollywood reporter).

Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:23 pm

Captain Caveman wrote:I'm pretty sure most people already realized Trump was a philandering scumbag, but having it on tape does make it a bit more real. And even more damaging is his bragging about using his celebrity and power to kiss and fondle women. I'm guessing that's the angle that's going to hurt him the most.

I'll be really curious to see how other GOP leaders respond. Paul Ryan is set to campaign with Trump tomorrow...

It's absolutely NOTHING compared to the things Bill said on the golf course.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:30 pm

So, this brings an interesting option for the Sunday night debates.

Is 'grabbing pussy' clean enough to even expose to the public at large - and ask him to answer to?
Holy cow.
Trump is such creep, to show it all to the public; ones at risk of seeming totally vulgar.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:52 pm

I like the comment on Reddit,

Paul Ryan, soon: "I do not support grabbing women by the pussy, but I fully support the Republican candidate for President."

And seriously, wtf. The Donald just admitted sexual assault, I hope some starlet he fondled now sues him and this can help establish precedent that the wannabe president is a proto-dick.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:56 pm

Unagi wrote: It's absolutely NOTHING compared to the things Bill said on the golf course.

I actually believe him when he says this. I don't know why. And it definitely changes my view of Bill. But as the CNN talking head said, Bill's already been president. It doesn't matter what he did or didn't do at this point. This is about Drumpf.

As Caveman said, people already knew he was gross. Hopefully having evidence playing 24 hours a day for the next few days will actually have some sort of impact on his supporters.

I wouldn't hold my breath though.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:57 pm

“Grab them by the p---y,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”

Wow. Has PETA complained about his treatments of cats yet?

But seriously, is anyone surprised by this?

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:00 pm

Enough wrote:I like the comment on Reddit,

Paul Ryan, soon: "I do not support grabbing women by the pussy, but I fully support the Republican candidate for President."
And seriously, wtf. The Donald just admitted sexual assault, I hope some starlet he fondled now sues him and this can help establish precedent that the wannabe president is a proto-dick.

One of his ex-wives filed rape charges against him. Disgraced Fox CEO Roger Ailes left Fox only to immediately join Drumpf's organization. That alone would sink a normal politician, but with Drumpf, it's not even on the radar because of all the other ludicrous scandals he's involved in on a nearly daily basis.

This matches what we've heard the "real" Drumpf is like over and over again. I hope this buries him.

tjg_marantz · Post by **tjg_marantz** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:04 pm

The last throes of the college quarter back living off his exploits of yesteryear.

That's him. That's his constituency. It's a lost cause.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:07 pm

The obvious defense is to claim that it's a Bad Lip Reading video that was commissioned by the Clinton campaign.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:11 pm

Kurth wrote:Well . . . there's your candidate, religious right, and family values voters, and evangelicals, and women, and decent human beings.

Can they really vote for him after this? He can't run away from this. And it's not locker room banter - it was said to a reporter (granted, an Access Hollywood reporter).

Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse.

They don't care. They just don't.

My FB is full of Evangelicals who wanted Walker or Cruz and took a while to settle for Trump, but all that matters is that he's the anti-Hillary. They would vote for Charles Manson if he guaranteed a new Scalia.

What's wonderfully ironic is that this hot mic tape came out, what, less than 24 hours after Trump tried to dismiss all his public misogyny as "just entertainment."

Default · Post by **Default** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:18 pm

Ask them why they are taking the deal that Christ turned down?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:24 pm

Now he gets to defend his private misogyny.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:26 pm

Unagi wrote:So, this brings an interesting option for the Sunday night debates.

Is 'grabbing pussy' clean enough to even expose to the public at large - and ask him to answer to?
Holy cow.
Trump is such creep, to show it all to the public; ones at risk of seeming totally vulgar.

The BBC (who actually quoted him verbatim, with no euphemisms) seems to believe that it will come up on Sunday.

Donald Trump has often found himself in hot water for public comments he's made about women over the years. It turns out he's said lewd and disparaging things in private as well. Go figure.

The videotape release comes at a most inopportune time for the Republican nominee, who was trying to use his running mate's well-received debate performance on Tuesday to reboot his campaign after a week of distractions and controversy. On Wednesday he told a local news interviewer that his previous offensive comments about women - which have dogged his campaign since the first Republican primary debate last August - were made for the "purpose of entertainment".

That explanation doesn't fit with the boorish, newly married Trump shown on the video privately boasting about his efforts to seduce a married woman and have his way with whomever he pleases.

Now Mr Trump will enter Sunday's debate with a new cloud hanging over his candidacy. It's almost certain that one of the town hall participants will ask him about it. There may be no easy way to respond - but Mr Trump will have to find an acceptable answer. If he bungles it, everything else he says during the 90-minute debate won't matter.

For a normal debate, I don't see a moderator bringing it up. With the town-hall format, I guess it depends on whether someone in the audience has the cojones to stand up and call him out on it.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:30 pm

tjg_marantz wrote:It was just locker room banter. Come on guys.

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In hindsight, yes. And if it were from any other candidate it would be no big deal. But from a guy who's made it a point to make the Clinton marriage an issue? It's..................

who am I kidding? It's not going to change anyone's mind.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:32 pm

Default wrote:Ask them why they are taking the deal that Christ turned down?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:36 pm

Max Peck wrote: For a normal debate, I don't see a moderator bringing it up. With the town-hall format, I guess it depends on whether someone in the audience has the cojones to stand up and call him out on it.

The moderators are Anderson Cooper and Martha Raddatz. I could see either one of them referencing the hot mic tape in the context of electoral questions about Trump and female supporters. The difference now is that Trump can't easily evade the issue with a quip or a simple pivot. He'll feel cornered, so he'll double down and probably attack Bill pretty harshly. You can be sure Hillary is prepared to make him pay for that.

The story Monday morning will be Trump blasting the moderators as biased. Good. I hope they're biased as hell, just the way reality is biased.

Unagi wrote:
Default wrote:Ask them why they are taking the deal that Christ turned down?

+1!

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:42 pm

CNN had his PR person defending it. It wasn't as fun as I thought it would be. She just kept bringing the topic back around to Drumpf believes he can fix the problems he sees with America and that's why he's running.

It was actually pretty decent defense of the indefensible. I mean, none of what she said mattered or were even related to the scandal, but she kept the conversation from getting any deeper than "here are the scary words he said". If she can keep voters from actually thinking about what those words mean in the greater context of what sort of man Drumpf is, it will blunt the scandal significantly.

It's not like the word "pussy" is overly scary all by itself, and certain not with regard to people who already support him.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:43 pm

IIUC, the questions submitted to the Town Hall cannot name candidates, and have to be a question that can be asked of either candidate (IIUC, the questioner won't know which one it's asked of)

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:46 pm

Max Peck wrote: The BBC (who actually quoted him verbatim, with no euphemisms) seems to believe that it will come up on Sunday.

CNN was playing it in its entirety with no editing and only a mild warning.

And it mostly is locker room banter, from 15 year olds who haven't had an actual relationship with a woman or maturity to understand that other people are actually people too and not just things in your universe that you interact with.

Sure, I bet a lot of grown men speak like that too, but I wouldn't elect any of them to the presidency either.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:47 pm

Defiant wrote:IIUC, the questions submitted to the Town Hall cannot name candidates, and have to be a question that can be asked of either candidate (IIUC, the questioner won't know which one it's asked of)

"How many women have you grabbed by the pussy?"

Follow up question "how many said no and you did it anyway?"

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:53 pm

With this out there Hillary won't know whether tho debate him or marry him.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:58 pm

Rip wrote:With this out there Hillary won't know whether tho debate him or marry him.

Yeah...that's not a line of attack you want to attempt publicly. Not if you don't want to be eaten alive, anyway.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:05 pm

Kurth wrote:Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse.

Better. Things just got better.

Max Peck wrote: With the town-hall format, I guess it depends on whether someone in the audience has the cojones to stand up and call him out on it.

I think you misunderstand the offended parties.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:07 pm

GreenGoo wrote:
Rip wrote:With this out there Hillary won't know whether tho debate him or marry him.

Yeah...that's not a line of attack you want to attempt publicly. Not if you don't want to be eaten alive, anyway.

You should know by now I don't do fear.

The only reason it would bother them is a knowledge it is based on truth.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:27 pm

Tomorrow's Ryan-Trump appearance in Wisconsin is actually a Ryan event. Ryan just announced that Trump won't be attending.

“I am sickened by what I heard today,” Ryan said in a statement. “Women are to be championed and revered, not objectified. I hope Mr. Trump treats this situation with the seriousness it deserves and works to demonstrate to the country that he has greater respect for women than this clip suggests. In the meantime, he is no longer attending tomorrow’s event in Wisconsin.”

The odd language aside ("Women are to be championed and revered" by whom? Are women not part of Ryan's audience?), it appears that Trump has been kicked rather than withdrawing by choice.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:49 pm

Blackhawk wrote:
Max Peck wrote: With the town-hall format, I guess it depends on whether someone in the audience has the cojones to stand up and call him out on it.
I think you misunderstand the offended parties.

That was deliberately ironic* verbiage.

*Or oxymoronic. Or moronic. One of those things...

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:57 pm

Holman wrote:Tomorrow's Ryan-Trump appearance in Wisconsin is actually a Ryan event. Ryan just announced that Trump won't be attending.

“I am sickened by what I heard today,” Ryan said in a statement. “Women are to be championed and revered, not objectified. I hope Mr. Trump treats this situation with the seriousness it deserves and works to demonstrate to the country that he has greater respect for women than this clip suggests. In the meantime, he is no longer attending tomorrow’s event in Wisconsin.”
The odd language aside ("Women are to be championed and revered" by whom? Are women not part of Ryan's audience?), it appears that Trump has been kicked rather than withdrawing by choice.

Interestingly, Pence will be taking his place. And now Huntsman, who had just begrudgingly endorsed Trump ten days ago, has called for Trump to drop out and let Pence run in his place.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:10 pm

Rip wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:
Rip wrote:With this out there Hillary won't know whether tho debate him or marry him.

Yeah...that's not a line of attack you want to attempt publicly. Not if you don't want to be eaten alive, anyway.
You should know by now I don't do fear.

You're confusing fear with common sense again.

Anyway.

It's freaking hilarious to read about this and then listen to evangelicals trumpet his faith and family values.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:10 pm

Max Peck wrote: That was deliberately ironic* verbiage.

My fault, then. I have respect for them, but I never studied the language of the Verbi.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:11 pm

Rip wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:
Rip wrote:With this out there Hillary won't know whether tho debate him or marry him.

Yeah...that's not a line of attack you want to attempt publicly. Not if you don't want to be eaten alive, anyway.
You should know by now I don't do fear.

The only reason it would bother them is a knowledge it is based on truth.

Lol, ok, I can see I made a mistake engaging your comment at all. Enjoy yourself.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:22 pm

Even though I should know better, I really think this story is going to be fatal to Trump unless there is some new amazing bomb about Clinton released. Imagine the popcorn if Pence stepped down as Trump's VP choice.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:49 pm

Imagine if Trump stepped down and let Pence take his spot. One the one hand it would be great that Trump is gone. But on the other hand I think Pence would have a good shot at winning...

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:53 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Imagine if Trump stepped down and let Pence take his spot.

Trump showing humility and stepping down? Even my imagination doesn't stretch that far.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:11 pm

Damn, even The Turtle is blasting Trump over his comments. We are truly through the looking glass.

McConnell joined a growing list of Senate Republicans who sought to distance themselves from Trump's comments Friday night.

"These comments are repugnant, and unacceptable in any circumstance," McConnell said. "As the father of three daughters, I strongly believe that Trump needs to apologize directly to women and girls everywhere, and take full responsibility for the utter lack of respect for women shown in his comments on that tape."

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:12 pm

...but I still support him as our next President.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:12 pm

Defiant wrote:
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Imagine if Trump stepped down and let Pence take his spot.
Trump showing humility and stepping down? Even my imagination doesn't stretch that far.

Trump does what's best for Trump, no matter who it hurts. That's easily verified.

I think we're looking at a disaster for the Republican Party. Conservatives are going to be reeling for a while.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:29 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Imagine if Trump stepped down and let Pence take his spot. One the one hand it would be great that Trump is gone. But on the other hand I think Pence would have a good shot at winning...

This crossed my mind as well. And there might not be enough time before the election to get all Pence's skeletons out in the open for everyone to be shocked by. While he's probably better than Drumpf, he's not good.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:31 pm

Defiant wrote:
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Imagine if Trump stepped down and let Pence take his spot.
Trump showing humility and stepping down? Even my imagination doesn't stretch that far.

My scenario was more that Pence would step down, go to Ryan's fundraiser and announce he and Ryan agree that blah, de blah. Ultimate power move, firing the Donald.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:32 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Imagine if Trump stepped down and let Pence take his spot. One the one hand it would be great that Trump is gone. But on the other hand I think Pence would have a good shot at winning...

Would Pence automatically take the spot if Trump did decide to drop out?

I honestly have no idea what that process would be.