The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:34 pm

And the first winner is... Utah!

Rep Jason Chaffetz has retracted his support for Trump.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:42 pm

Skinypupy wrote:
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Imagine if Trump stepped down and let Pence take his spot. One the one hand it would be great that Trump is gone. But on the other hand I think Pence would have a good shot at winning...
Would Pence automatically take the spot if Trump did decide to drop out?

I honestly have no idea what that process would be.

In this election, I wouldn't be surprised if they held a Gamesters of Triskellion style trial by combat.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:44 pm

I think it's too late to get new names on the ballet, at least in most states, but since Pense is already on the ballot?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:51 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:And the first winner is... Utah!

Rep Jason Chaffetz has retracted his support for Trump.

Utah governor also withdraws his support

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:54 pm

I'm fairly certain Trump's run is officially over.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:58 pm

Don't count your Trumps before they hatchet him.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:06 am

Defiant wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:And the first winner is... Utah!

Rep Jason Chaffetz has retracted his support for Trump.
Utah governor also withdraws his support

Nobody pays any attention to me, lol.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:08 am

Isgrimnur wrote:Don't count your Trumps before they hatchet him.

True. We have yet to see how Putin is going to handle this setback.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:08 am

Isgrimnur wrote:Don't count your Trumps before they hatchet him.

Again, until the election is over, it's not over. The last thing I want is zombie Drumpf returning to eat my skin during my victory celebration.

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:21 am

Of all the reasons people would have to distance themselves from Trump. an old recording is the one they choose? I don't get it. It's his character, it's who he is. The people who like him, who'll vote for him, won't be bothered by this. If anything it probably humanizes him more to those people.

The question is only are there enough of them that he has a chance of winning? That Utah guy says he withdraws his support for Trump although he also can't vote for Hilary. Haha, where does that leave him? That's the crazy thing about this election, there seems to be larger than usual amount of voters who aren't 'for' their candidate so much as they can't bear the thought of voting for the other candidate. That could have some kind of crazy effect on this election.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:21 am

Here's the thing. Based upon his interviews/appearances on Howard Stern, did anyone seriously NOT think Trump talked like this? I don't think his stuff on Stern is much different/better, though he may have not used the words he used in the interview. I always assumed that he talked like this about women in private. I'm totally NOT surprised by this "revelation", not at all. But I guess some people actually have to hear it first even though a second's thought would lead one to this independent of hearing Trump actually say it.

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:31 am

Skinypupy wrote:
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Imagine if Trump stepped down and let Pence take his spot. One the one hand it would be great that Trump is gone. But on the other hand I think Pence would have a good shot at winning...
Would Pence automatically take the spot if Trump did decide to drop out?

I honestly have no idea what that process would be.

Neither does the RNC. The reports tonight were that RNC leadership was meeting to discuss their options if Trump were to step down. At this point they have mostly given up on a presidential win and are trying to salvage down-ballot races.

P.S. I'm kinda loving this headline: An unlikely Bush finally did some damage to Donald Trump.

P.P.S. Trump actually managed to lay blame on Bill and Hillary Clinton for their "abuse of women" in his video apology. Not surprising but no less disgusting.

Papa Smurph · Post by **Papa Smurph** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:36 am

hepcat wrote:
Rip wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:
Rip wrote:With this out there Hillary won't know whether tho debate him or marry him.

Yeah...that's not a line of attack you want to attempt publicly. Not if you don't want to be eaten alive, anyway.
You should know by now I don't do fear.
You're confusing fear with common sense again.

Anyway.

It's freaking hilarious to read about this and then listen to evangelicals trumpet his faith and family values.

The only people who could support Trump now are either misogynist or racists or hypocrites of the worst kind. It is truly an indication of how "Christian" the Christian Right is (or, to be honest, isn't). It's been obvious from the beginning that Trump is a Bad Guy, but I'm not sure anyone realized how bad! I guess it's called making a deal with the Devil for a reason...

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:36 am

hepcat wrote:
Skinypupy wrote:
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Imagine if Trump stepped down and let Pence take his spot. One the one hand it would be great that Trump is gone. But on the other hand I think Pence would have a good shot at winning...
Would Pence automatically take the spot if Trump did decide to drop out?

I honestly have no idea what that process would be.
In this election, I wouldn't be surprised if they held a Gamesters of Triskellion style trial by combat.

And since the Constitution doesn't dictate how a party chooses their candidate why the hell not, crazy outfits and quatloos included!

Breaking news from WaPo, the Trumpology:

"I've never said I'm a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I'm not. I've said and done things I regret, and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. Anyone who knows me knows these words don't reflect who I am. I said it, I was wrong, and I apologize," Trump said in a brief video statement released late Friday night as a number of prominent Republicans distanced themselves yet again from their presidential nominee.

Trump said that the lewd comments -- which were made public by The Washington Post on Friday afternoon -- are "a distraction from the important issues we are facing today." He then attacked his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and her husband, former president Bill Clinton.

"I've said some foolish things, but there's a big difference between the words and actions of other people. Bill Clinton has actually abused women, and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims," Trump said. "We will discuss this more in the coming days. See you at the debate on Sunday."

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:41 am

Papa Smurph wrote:
The only people who could support Trump now are either misogynist or racists or hypocrites of the worst kind.

Or the ignorant.

I'm just glad some of the shit falling out of this asshole's mouth finally splashed back on him.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:42 am

gameoverman wrote:Of all the reasons people would have to distance themselves from Trump. an old recording is the one they choose? I don't get it. It's his character, it's who he is. The people who like him, who'll vote for him, won't be bothered by this. If anything it probably humanizes him more to those people.

From what I've seen in the polls, the undecideds and (to some degree) erstwhile 3rd party voters have been breaking toward Clinton since about the time of the first debate, and this may well push many more of them off the fence, which appears to be worse news for Trump than I would have thought.

Linzer’s chart helps explain a weird quirk of this election. For the most part, Clinton’s lead over Trump has been larger than the one President Obama had over Mitt Romney at comparable points in the campaign. Yet, at those moments, Clinton’s chances of winning have been lower than Obama’s were, according to our forecasts. That’s because of the larger third-party and undecided vote this year, which is why it’s important not only to pay attention to the margin between Trump and Clinton, but also to the percentage that each candidate is getting. Four years ago, Obama was regularly in the upper 40s, while Clinton has generally been stuck in the low-to-mid 40s. If the gap between Clinton and Trump narrowed by a point or two, it wouldn’t hurt her much — as long as she moved closer to getting 50 percent of the vote.

To illustrate this, let’s cut the number of third-party and undecided voters in half, distributing them equally between Clinton and Trump. In that scenario, our model would peg Clinton as a stronger favorite. Instead of winning 78 percent of the time in our polls-only forecast, she would win 85 percent of the time. In our nowcast, which projects the results in a hypothetical election held today, Clinton’s chances jump from 86 percent to 93 percent. And in our polls-plus forecast — our most conservative model — Clinton’s chances go from 75 percent to 80 percent.

The clear uptick in Clinton’s odds in these scenarios is worth keeping in mind as we head into the second debate, on Sunday. Although Clinton would benefit from a wider margin between Trump and herself, she would also benefit if more voters made up their mind — even if those undecideds split evenly between the major-party nominees. The opposite is true for Trump. He would benefit if he could shrink the margin, but he should at the very least hope to make voters think twice before committing to either candidate.

At this point, it seems to be all about getting undecideds to make a choice, more than changing the minds of those that have already made a choice.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:49 am

$iljanus wrote:Breaking news from WaPo, the Trumpology:
"I've never said I'm a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I'm not. I've said and done things I regret, and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. Anyone who knows me knows these words don't reflect who I am. I said it, I was wrong, and I apologize," Trump said in a brief video statement released late Friday night as a number of prominent Republicans distanced themselves yet again from their presidential nominee.

Trump said that the lewd comments -- which were made public by The Washington Post on Friday afternoon -- are "a distraction from the important issues we are facing today." He then attacked his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and her husband, former president Bill Clinton.

"I've said some foolish things, but there's a big difference between the words and actions of other people. Bill Clinton has actually abused women, and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims," Trump said. "We will discuss this more in the coming days. See you at the debate on Sunday."

Hmmm, that apology contained grammatically correct, complete sentences. I wonder who wrote it?

I also like that this is "a distraction from the important issues we are facing today." -- like whether Bill Clinton is a worse horn-dog than Trump, apparently. Nice try...

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:53 am

Whew. I was actually a little concerned at the prospect of Trump dropping out. What was I thinking? Now to see how Pence handles himself.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:40 am

McConnell joined a growing list of Senate Republicans who sought to distance themselves from Trump's comments Friday night.

"These comments are repugnant, and unacceptable in any circumstance," McConnell said. "As the father of three daughters, I strongly believe that Trump needs to apologize directly to women and girls everywhere, and take full responsibility for the utter lack of respect for women shown in his comments on that tape."

Well, almost any circumstance, apparently.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:50 am

Even Trump can't defend Trump.

Indefensible. We could see that Trump's fingers were small, and now we have proof of his vulgarity.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:29 am

gameoverman wrote:That's the crazy thing about this election, there seems to be larger than usual amount of voters who aren't 'for' their candidate so much as they can't bear the thought of voting for the other candidate. That could have some kind of crazy effect on this election.

We're in uncharted territory for sure. The media are overwhelmingly against Trump. A significant share of the party that he took over is against him. He's broken every campaign rule and offended nearly everybody at one point or another. His supporters are proudly deplorable. And yet he's still in the running.

Crazy.

One hopes that this weekend's debate will deliver the knockout blow, but one never knows.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:08 am

I'm one of those who find it a little surprising/amusing that supporters are choosing this quote as the excuse to break away, when he's been saying and doing things just a vile for the past 15 months. I have a feeling home life might have something to do with it.

Also, the "excuse" that it was 10 years ago and he was less mature? Yeah. He was a kid of 59.

I wonder how big a check he had to write to Melania yesterday to get her to stick around.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:07 am

Meanwhile, over at Camp McMullin...

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:16 am

Papa Smurph wrote:The only people who could support Trump now are either misogynist or racists or hypocrites of the worst kind.

Or Rip, Smutly, and Em2

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:22 am

Unagi wrote:
Papa Smurph wrote:The only people who could support Trump now are either misogynist or racists or hypocrites of the worst kind.
Or Rip, Smutly, and Em2

I don't support Trump. I just find him much less reprehensible than Hillary Clinton. But I can feel the love in the air, so thank you for that.... Kumbaya, m'lord....kumbaya...

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:29 am

Under the circumstances, if you find this piece of human garbage less reprehensible than Clinton, that parks you safely into the bucket of misogynist or racist or hypocrite of the worst kind.

I'll be charitable and narrow that down to either misogynist or hypocrite, leaning towards hypocrite.

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Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:46 am

RunningMn9 wrote:Under the circumstances, if you find this piece of human garbage less reprehensible than Clinton, that parks you safely into the bucket of misogynist or racist or hypocrite of the worst kind.

I'll be charitable and narrow that down to either misogynist or hypocrite, leaning towards hypocrite.

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Please, save your charity and give it to someone who needs it. One thing about this forum is that we all very quick to judge. If you require me to make a statement for every stupid thing Trump says or does then you can forget it because I don't have the time. I already knew that he was a brash, loud-mouth asshole so I am not shocked that he would say something like this. And yes, I know many other people who behave in immature juvenile sexually objectifying ways, but that doesn't make me one of them. I don't call you all idiots for not acknowledging (or, when your face is shoved into her pile of crap) barely acknowledging how corrupt she is and instead point at Trump as an excuse for your decisions. You ridicule me for stating that she is worse because I more heavily weight her complete abuse of the public's trust and don't equate Trump's behavior in the same way. We obviously disagree. The difference is that I'm not a complete condescending asshole, whereas "the liberals" here and abroad do so often. There are many, many articles on the hubris of liberal elitism and here's the TL;DR version: It works against your cause and, not surprisingly, makes you look like smug assholes. So, please continue...don't let me stop you.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:47 am

So, misogynist then?

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:49 am

Zaxxon wrote:So, misogynist then?

Yes. I think about fucking every woman I see and believe their only purpose in life is to satisfy my sexual urges. You should go into psychology. I think we made a breakthrough this morning.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:52 am

I don't require you to do anything. You are free to support this piece of garbage for whatever reasons you'd like.

I'm also free to offer my opinion of you supporting this piece of garbage. My opinion doesn't mean anything of course. Maybe you're not a rube that's fallen prey to decades of bullshit political propaganda? Maybe you aren't a misogynist, prone to believe said propaganda because Clinton's a woman and you think she's a bitch?

Either way, the fact of the matter is that you've chosen to support this piece of garbage for whatever reason. You've chosen to support a dangerously unqualified narcissist to lead this country.

And that doesn't reflect well on you, to put it mildly. I guess you might as well go down with the ship now.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:56 am

RunningMn9 wrote:I don't require you to do anything. You are free to support this piece of garbage for whatever reasons you'd like.

I'm also free to offer my opinion of you supporting this piece of garbage. My opinion doesn't mean anything of course. Maybe you're not a rube that's fallen prey to decades of bullshit political propaganda? Maybe you aren't a misogynist, prone to believe said propaganda because Clinton's a woman and you think she's a bitch?

Either way, the fact of the matter is that you've chosen to support this piece of garbage for whatever reason. You've chosen to support a dangerously unqualified narcissist to lead this country.

And that doesn't reflect well on you, to put it mildly. I guess you might as well go down with the ship now.

Which shows me you haven't read any of my posts about who I support for POTUS.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:58 am

[smug]Most people would have the common sense to not say they didn't care about this out loud - so bravo![/smug]

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:05 am

malchior wrote:[smug]Most people would have the common sense to not say they didn't care about this out loud - so bravo![/smug]

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:09 am

Smutly wrote: Please, save your charity and give it to someone who needs it. One thing about this forum is that we all very quick to judge. If you require me to make a statement for every stupid thing Trump says or does then you can forget it because I don't have the time. I already knew that he was a brash, loud-mouth asshole so I am not shocked that he would say something like this. And yes, I know many other people who behave in immature juvenile sexually objectifying ways, but that doesn't make me one of them. I don't call you all idiots for not acknowledging (or, when your face is shoved into her pile of crap) barely acknowledging how corrupt she is and instead point at Trump as an excuse for your decisions. You ridicule me for stating that she is worse because I more heavily weight her complete abuse of the public's trust and don't equate Trump's behavior in the same way. We obviously disagree. The difference is that I'm not a complete condescending asshole, whereas "the liberals" here and abroad do so often. There are many, many articles on the hubris of liberal elitism and here's the TL;DR version: It works against your cause and, not surprisingly, makes you look like smug assholes. So, please continue...don't let me stop you.

Not to rush to judgement or anything, but is it possible for you to reply to a post without coming off as a condescending jackass?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:12 am

$iljanus wrote:And since the Constitution doesn't dictate how a party chooses their candidate why the hell not, crazy outfits and quatloos included!

They don't, but the states do. The deadline to get on the ballot for a certain office has passed. Some states are already into early voting. At this point, I don't see any way to shuffle the ballots, and if attempts are made, I imagine that the lawsuits will be legendary. I doubt even a split SCOTUS gives the GOP a leg on which to stand.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:13 am

tgb wrote:
Smutly wrote: Please, save your charity and give it to someone who needs it. One thing about this forum is that we all very quick to judge. If you require me to make a statement for every stupid thing Trump says or does then you can forget it because I don't have the time. I already knew that he was a brash, loud-mouth asshole so I am not shocked that he would say something like this. And yes, I know many other people who behave in immature juvenile sexually objectifying ways, but that doesn't make me one of them. I don't call you all idiots for not acknowledging (or, when your face is shoved into her pile of crap) barely acknowledging how corrupt she is and instead point at Trump as an excuse for your decisions. You ridicule me for stating that she is worse because I more heavily weight her complete abuse of the public's trust and don't equate Trump's behavior in the same way. We obviously disagree. The difference is that I'm not a complete condescending asshole, whereas "the liberals" here and abroad do so often. There are many, many articles on the hubris of liberal elitism and here's the TL;DR version: It works against your cause and, not surprisingly, makes you look like smug assholes. So, please continue...don't let me stop you.
Not to rush to judgement or anything, but is it possible for you to reply to a post without coming off as a condescending jackass?

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:41 am

Isgrimnur wrote:
$iljanus wrote:And since the Constitution doesn't dictate how a party chooses their candidate why the hell not, crazy outfits and quatloos included!
They don't, but the states do. The deadline to get on the ballot for a certain office has passed. Some states are already into early voting. At this point, I don't see any way to shuffle the ballots, and if attempts are made, I imagine that the lawsuits will be legendary. I doubt even a split SCOTUS gives the GOP a leg on which to stand.

Yeah, I have to believe we're at the point where the GOP needs to dance with the date that brought them. What's hilarious is that there's no good way for them to do anything but accept deeper ramming (thanks Spatacus!). While I like the idea of goons like McConnell standing in front of a group of reporters gritting his teeth and needing to STILL support Trump, I also know he's a soulless husk that feels nothing.

But seriously, if you pull a lever for Trump (or say, line your yard with Trump signs) I have to believe it's about the Supreme Court (and by extension abortion or gun rights). Because I can't believe you were a closeted deplorable that suddenly feels you're now free to let your freak flag fly.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:48 am

Smoove_B wrote: But seriously, if you pull a lever for Trump (or say, line your yard with Trump signs) I have to believe it's about the Supreme Court (and by extension abortion or gun rights). Because I can't believe you were a closeted deplorable that suddenly feels you're now free to let your freak flag fly.

Not necessarily, because this election has provided an opportunity for all the racists, skinheads, Nazis, and whatever (if the basket fits, wear it) to come out into the open from under their sheets.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:49 am

Mitch T. McConnell wrote:McConnell joined a growing list of Senate Republicans who sought to distance themselves from supporting Trump Friday night.

"Our support for this deplorable piece of garbage was and is repugnant, and unacceptable in any circumstance," McConnell said. "As a Republican party leader, I strongly believe that we need to apologize directly to the American people, and take full responsibility for supporting this morally disgusting, ideologically pathological, dangerous threat to our country."

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:56 am

I've been away from these parts for a while, but I will reiterate what I've said to LM in the past. This election (like all of them) has only two possible outcomes. Either the D or R candidate will win. That's just our reality.

In a normal election, supporting either of those candidates, or indeed any other candidate is a perfectly reasonable action. The reality is that in most elections (all elections in my lifetime until this year), the two major parties offer up *credible* candidates. We can certainly all have reasonable disagreements on the positions that each candidate may take - but they are credible politicians who will likely perform an adequate job.

This election is different. There are still only two likely outcomes, but they are different than normal. In this case the only two possible outcomes are that Trump becomes President, or that Trump doesn't become President.

I say that because this election year, one of the two major parties decided to nominate someone that is *not* a credible candidate for President. And not just because he jokes around about trying to sexually assault people or that he laughs that he can just go grab some woman's pussy because he's famous and on TV. While that gives us a glimpse into his complete lack of character, that's not what makes him a danger to this country.

He's a grossly incompetent demagogue with no intent or capability to execute the Office that he is running for. His election would be a terrible inflection point in our nation's history because of the destructive capability that he represents.

That reduces this election to people that are for Trump, or people that are for stopping Trump. You might not think that you are in the first, but by not being in the second, that's where you are.

I don't care who you plan on voting for. If your vote isn't to keep Trump out of office, you're part of the problem.