The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:51 pm

GreenGoo wrote:We like you when you do the right thing, so that's a happy coincidence. At least most of us in the west.

Sure, as long as we agree on what the right thing is.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:55 pm

After 538 did an analysis showing the (shocking) news that Clinton would win in a landslide if only women voted, and Trump would win if only men voted,
some of Donald Trump supporters have been tweeting about repealing the 19th Amendment

Which makes sense. After he gets into office, I would imagine Trump would like to see about repealing the nineteenth amendment, followed by the twenty sixth amendment, the fifteenth amendment, the fourteenth amendment and the right to vote entirely.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:45 pm

Ummm...
Not sure if this is new or old news? Been away for a bit and on my phone with thumbs so less inclined to do a deep search.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:51 pm

I don't know if I've seen that video specifically, but I've seen stuff where he said he has a relationship with Russia while other videos saying he doesn't have any relationship with Russia.

IIRC, in one case he claimed he had a close relationship with Putin but he was apparently referring to being interviewed in the same show when they were both interviewed remotely from different locations.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:01 pm

geezer wrote: unless we believe Gore would have launched a war against Iraq in response to 9/11, I think the W administration launched this country (and the world) down a very dangerous path that could have been entirely avoided. That singular action will literally change the face of the world for probably the rest of our lives, and not in a positive way. IMHO of course.

QFT. If W had not relegated Afghanistan to the back burner so he could pursue his vendetta against Saddam, we would not still be fighting a holding action there today.

And as long as we're on changing the world for the rest of our lives and beyond...a Gore administration's climate policy would have made a serious difference while the window of opportunity to do that was still open.

Bush/Gore was not the usual Tweedledee/Tweedledum choice. But I think we all agree with RM9's overarching point that Trump is from a different book entirely.

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:09 pm

As I don't think it's been mentioned yet, the latest revolting/horrifying development is that women are starting to come forward with their tales of Trump groping them or kissing them without their consent. There were four as I'm writing this, but I think there's another one including a reporter for People magazine. I'm willing to bet we'll see more of these in the days to come. The Trump campaign response is a blanket denial. Trump himself, in repeat behavior, is rumored to be threatening to sue the New York Times for the article detailing the first two women to come forward.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:15 pm

I guess I'm somewhere in the middle - I don't think it ever is a Tweedledee/Tweedledum choice - there are significant differences (sometimes even different candidates within the party can produce such differences as well) - but I do think there is a limit to the differences (limited, in part, by the rules of law, the separation of powers, the advisors in place to advise the president, an election system that usually vets candidates, etc), and Trump would try to take things outside those limits.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:20 pm

Dogstar wrote:I think there's another one including a reporter for People magazine.

Affirmative.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:25 pm

I think we tend to magnify the differences because that's how we tell things apart. We don't know the Congressional makeup for most of Gore's term and how that would impact things. We also have no real idea on what Gore would have done. The reality is that I don't see a single way in which my day-to-day life would have been appreciably different with any of those candidates as President.

But even if you disagree with my characterization, the point I am making is that the normal choice is within an expected 0-10 range.

Trump is -100.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:28 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:We like you when you do the right thing, so that's a happy coincidence. At least most of us in the west.
Sure, as long as we agree on what the right thing is.

For a point of reference, taking our water by force...bad thing.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:29 pm

Defiant wrote:I don't know if I've seen that video specifically, but I've seen stuff where he said he has a relationship with Russia while other videos saying he doesn't have any relationship with Russia.

IIRC, in one case he claimed he had a close relationship with Putin but he was apparently referring to being interviewed in the same show when they were both interviewed remotely from different locations.

Like, different continents.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:37 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:I think we tend to magnify the differences because that's how we tell things apart. We don't know the Congressional makeup for most of Gore's term and how that would impact things. We also have no real idea on what Gore would have done. The reality is that I don't see a single way in which my day-to-day life would have been appreciably different with any of those candidates as President.

But even if you disagree with my characterization, the point I am making is that the normal choice is within an expected 0-10 range.

Trump is -100.

First term Bush minus Iraq was pretty solid. Basically we'd be in complete agreement if he hadn't spent billions while giving tax cuts and having thousands of Americans lose their lives for questionable motives and no results. If I was in a bad mood I'd actually say negative results for the region and America as well.

Again, I'd be in agreement complete agreement with you even with Bush if Iraq had not happened. Obama is a pretty neutral pick. He certainly didn't burn the country to the ground nor did he make great strides in bettering it. Obamacare is significant for what it represents but not, imo, for what it does. Grinding the country back from 2008 was probably not going to go better no matter who was in the white house.

So I agree almost completely with your main point and certainly have no trouble agreeing with your Drumpf outlier.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:45 pm

Max Peck wrote:
Dogstar wrote:I think there's another one including a reporter for People magazine.
Affirmative.

Holy shiat.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:12 am

I think so far just tonight we are up to six women sharing pervy Trump stories (NYT 2, People 1, Palm Beach Post 1, King5 1) and then there's the CBS video of him chatting up a ten-year old girl on an escalator and then turning to the camera to joke about dating her in ten years. I feel like I am in that storm-mode I get into when tracking a hurricane online, switch tabs, F5, switch tabs, F5, switch tabs, F5...

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:16 am

Does he even make it to the election? That's got to become a legit concern at this point.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:37 am

I am crushing on Anderson Cooper.

Here he tries to explain to Kellyanne Conway that having higher poll numbers means you're doing better

And here hits her with her own attack of suggesting that settling lawsuits implies guilt.

I'm also amused by her awkward statement "The last time that I didn't sexually harass someone here at the campaign I didn't pay him $50,000"

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:38 am

That's not a condemnation. This is a condemnation!

A state Parliament in Australia on Thursday unanimously passed a motion that described U.S. presidential nominee Donald Trump as "a revolting slug unfit for public office."

Jeremy Buckingham, a lawmaker from the minor Greens party, introduced the motion to the New South Wales Legislative Council, the Parliament's upper house.

"This house ... agrees with those who have described Mr. Trump as a 'revolting slug' unfit for public office," the motion said.

The house "condemns the misogynist, hateful comments" made by the Republican candidate about women and minorities, including the remarks revealed by media at the weekend "that clearly describe sexual assault," the motion said.

Had any lawmaker objected to the motion, it would have been struck off the list of parliamentary business. Because there was no objection, the motion was recorded as having been unanimously agreed to by the Sydney-based house.

"It's a great that all sides of Australian politics, from conservatives to liberals to Greens, agree that Donald Trump is a 'revolting slug' and completely unfit for public office," Buckingham said in a statement.

"It's clear that all reasonable and decent people find Donald Trump's behavior obnoxious and that the world is hoping American voters reject his politics of hate," Buckingham said.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:40 am

RunningMn9 wrote:Ummm...
Not sure if this is new or old news? Been away for a bit and on my phone with thumbs so less inclined to do a deep search.

I think he may have grabbed his Pussy Riot.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:41 am

Skinypupy wrote:Does he even make it to the election? That's got to become a legit concern at this point.

It's already became a legit concern but he's said he won't drop out

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:02 am

Defiant wrote:
Skinypupy wrote:Does he even make it to the election? That's got to become a legit concern at this point.
It's already became a legit concern but he's said he won't drop out

I think it would take a legal or health issue for Trump not to finish at this point. Now I'm going to have to do research as to what happens if a candidate is actually arrested during a Presidential campaign, and if it's ever happened before.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:15 am

Dogstar wrote:
Defiant wrote:
Skinypupy wrote:Does he even make it to the election? That's got to become a legit concern at this point.
It's already became a legit concern but he's said he won't drop out
I think it would take a legal or health issue for Trump not to finish at this point. Now I'm going to have to do research as to what happens if a candidate is actually arrested during a Presidential campaign, and if it's ever happened before.

I'm fairly sure we haven't had a president arrested during a campaign, though I think there was a congressman in the last 10 years or so that was in jail during reelection (IIRC, he lost)

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:29 am

Defiant wrote:I guess I'm somewhere in the middle - I don't think it ever is a Tweedledee/Tweedledum choice - there are significant differences (sometimes even different candidates within the party can produce such differences as well) -

Depends on your definition of significant. In an ordinary election all of the candidates promote different interests, but they all serve a small pool of competing oligarchs. Trump doesn't. Blowing up the establishment might have appeal if it weren't wrapped in an incompetent fascist dictatorship.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:15 am

Kraken wrote:
Defiant wrote:I guess I'm somewhere in the middle - I don't think it ever is a Tweedledee/Tweedledum choice - there are significant differences (sometimes even different candidates within the party can produce such differences as well) -
Depends on your definition of significant. In an ordinary election all of the candidates promote different interests, but they all serve a small pool of competing oligarchs. Trump doesn't. Blowing up the establishment might have appeal if it weren't wrapped in an incompetent fascist dictatorship.

There's a causal connection between "blowing up the establishment" (as opposed to reforming / changing the establishment) and fascist dictatorships (both incompetent and otherwise).

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:09 am

Kraken wrote: Depends on your definition of significant. In an ordinary election all of the candidates promote different interests, but they all serve a small pool of competing oligarchs.

The main difference here being that Trump IS one of those oligarchs. He serves his own interests, nothing else.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:40 am

Complete meltdown. What's the over/under on Kellyanne Conway being gone by next week?

Drumpf has painted himself into a corner. He couldn't quit now even if he wanted to, since he has no plausible reason to other than being a sore loser.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:36 am

Skinypupy wrote:Does he even make it to the election? That's got to become a legit concern at this point.

I was listening to talk radio last night during my evening commute and the host spent 60+ minutes speaking with NJ residents that were disgusted that what Trump did 12 years ago was even an issue. I had to keep listening because I thought for sure someone would call in and be put through to point out that talking about women's boobs wasn't the problem. But no, for over an hour it was all about how ridiculous this all was and that it was "locker room talk" from over a decade ago. Maybe now that women are actually starting to come forward with stories of their assaults, is it too much to hope that perhaps these people will finally understand what the actual problem is?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:43 am

Yet Trump is behind 13 points in NJ. I have to assume they were screening out anyone who wasn't going to speak to their agenda or their audience are just mostly deplorables.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:13 am

This has been said many times before, and will be said many times after this, but if you're going to say that what Trump did 11 years ago is out of bounds because it was 11 years ago, then at no point should anything Hillary's husband did 20 years ago enter the conversation.

Of course, we're in the post-fact, double standard election, so I don't know what the hell anymore. It sure is amusing to see all the talking heads on the news channels finally reaching the ends of their ropes with all this crap, and just start putting their heads in their hands on air.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:58 am

Trump wanted to play the game this way, so he shouldn't be surprised to discover the rules apply to him too.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:15 am

hepcat wrote:Trump wanted to play the game this way, so he shouldn't be surprised to discover the rules apply to him too.

This... He should have known the bones in his closet will be fair game since he went there with Bill

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:21 am

Smoove_B wrote:I was listening to talk radio last night during my evening commute

Mistakes were made.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:36 am

Yesterday I heard interviews with young Evangelicals at Liberty University supporting Trump despite his past vileness. They believe that he has taken Jesus into his heart and that he's a changed and forgiven man.

I don't believe religion is self-delusion, so whence comes the idiocy that allows you to believe that Trump found Christ just at the point when it was politically advantageous for him to do so, and that he is a sincere newborn Christian despite becoming ever more vicious and more aggressive and more full of ambitious bile since the time of his purported conversion?

I suppose the student's faith can be ascribed to youth and starry-eyed naivete and fear of the liberal alternative he has been taught to hate all his life. But what explains Jerry Falwell, Jr.?

INSKEEP: Is his personal life or any candidate's personal life relevant to you?

FALWELL, JR.: Well, I think Jesus said we're all sinners. When they ask that question, I always talk about the story of the woman at the well who had had five husbands and she was living with somebody she wasn't married to, and they wanted to stone her. And Jesus said he's - he who is without sin cast the first stone. I just see how Donald Trump treats other people, and I'm impressed by that.

INSKEEP: Somebody asked him in an interview if he had sought forgiveness as a Christian at any time. And he gave a not too explicit answer. He didn't quite say yes.

FALWELL, JR.: Well, he - his background is a New York businessman. He doesn't talk like we do as evangelical Christians, and so his way of describing his faith may not appear to line up with others. He just expresses his faith in a different way than many evangelical Christians do.

INSKEEP: In the "60 Minutes" interview the other day, Lesley Stahl said, in passing, you're not the most humble person. And he broke in and said, I'm very humble. I'm humble in ways you'll never understand.

FALWELL, JR.: Yeah. I've never seen any arrogance. I do think he is...

INSKEEP: Do you think he's humble?

FALWELL, JR.: I do. I do. I think he's very outspoken, and I think he is - what's the old saying? If it's true, it ain't bragging.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:42 am

I'm humble in ways you'll never understand.

That's an impressive statement.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:47 am

Holman wrote:
INSKEEP: Is his personal life or any candidate's personal life relevant to you?

FALWELL, JR.: Well, I think Jesus said we're all sinners. When they ask that question, I always talk about the story of the woman at the well who had had five husbands and she was living with somebody she wasn't married to, and they wanted to stone her. And Jesus said he's - he who is without sin cast the first stone. At that point, Trump whipped out a device that fired rocks at a rate of close to a hundred per minute and began firing. After he was finished and the woman was dead, he gave her younger sister his card, told her to call him as they were definitely going to have an affair, then he downed a full box of tic tacs, told everyone he was winning in polls for Sodomites AS WELL AS CHRISTIANS, and then rode off on a Trump camel.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:49 am

Holman wrote: But what explains Jerry Falwell, Jr.?

Jerry Falwell Sr.

Trump hasn't even claimed to have had a religious epiphany, has he?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:54 am

tgb wrote: Trump hasn't even claimed to have had a religious epiphany, has he?

June 2016: A Born-Again Donald Trump? Believe It, Evangelical Leader Says.

Has Donald J. Trump become a born-again Christian?

That is the suggestion of James C. Dobson, one of America’s leading evangelicals, who said Mr. Trump had recently come “to accept a relationship with Christ” and was now “a baby Christian.”

Dr. Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family and one of the country’s most prominent social conservatives, gave his account at a meeting Mr. Trump had in New York on Tuesday with hundreds of Christian conservatives.

In an interview recorded at the event by a Pennsylvania pastor, the Rev. Michael Anthony, Dr. Dobson said he knew the person who had led Mr. Trump to Christ, though he did not name him.

“I don’t know when it was, but it has not been long,” Dr. Dobson said. “I believe he really made a commitment, but he’s a baby Christian.”

This was around the time Dobson, Ralph Reed, and others were working hard to sell Trump to Evangelicals who had supported Cruz.

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EDIT: Oooooh, but look! Liberty University students and faculty are signing a statement rejecting Trump and Falwell's support of him.

AWS260 · Post by **AWS260** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:58 am

Trump's strategy for victory in Pennsylvania is apparently to start a race war.

The New York Times wrote:On Monday, on a trip through Pennsylvania, Mr. Trump began the day urging the almost entirely white crowd outside Pittsburgh to show up to vote, warning about “other communities” that could hijack his victory.

“So important that you watch other communities, because we don’t want this election stolen from us,” he said. “We do not want this election stolen.”

Later, at the evening rally in Wilkes-Barre, Mr. Trump raised more concerns about voting fraud: “I just hear such reports about Philadelphia,” he said. “I hear these horror shows, and we have to make sure that this election is not stolen from us and is not taken away from us.”

He added for emphasis: “Everybody knows what I’m talking about.”

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:00 am

There's no zealot like a convert.

Of course, there are lots of converts in prison as well, when it serves their needs. And some, I assume, are good people.

Default · Post by **Default** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:14 am

AWS260 wrote:Trump's strategy for victory in Pennsylvania is apparently to start a race war.
The New York Times wrote:On Monday, on a trip through Pennsylvania, Mr. Trump began the day urging the almost entirely white crowd outside Pittsburgh to show up to vote, warning about “other communities” that could hijack his victory.

“So important that you watch other communities, because we don’t want this election stolen from us,” he said. “We do not want this election stolen.”

Later, at the evening rally in Wilkes-Barre, Mr. Trump raised more concerns about voting fraud: “I just hear such reports about Philadelphia,” he said. “I hear these horror shows, and we have to make sure that this election is not stolen from us and is not taken away from us.”

He added for emphasis: “Everybody knows what I’m talking about.”

Yeah, a lot of Philly Democrats are liberal.

Particularly with their pigmentation...

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:16 am

I would figure that he would embrace the spray tan communities.