The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:07 am

PLW wrote:
Carpet_pissr wrote:I don't know if this is a regional behavior, but I have noticed the complete lack of bumper stickers this year supporting either candidate. It's the first presidential election I can remember, where there seem to be almost NO bumper stickers (or hats, or shirts, etc).
Come to Clemson. Tons of Hillary stickers in town. Tons of Trump stickers/signs out in the sticks.

Really? Interesting! I'm guessing the majority of Hillary sticker bearers are professors or out of state students.

And thanks for the invite, but no thanks. I imagine the smugness level of Clemson fans right now, IN Clemson is reaching peak orange levels...I wouldn't be able to stomach that. It's bad enough having most of my family from that area, and most of my older friends as well.

I can tell you that here in Columbia, I have never seen so much Clemson paraphernalia being worn and displayed...it's completely infected the city.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:11 am

Tons of Bernie stickers here in hipster central (Logan Square, Chicago), plus some Hillary stickers. A handful of Johnson-Weld stickers. I saw a McMullen placard in someone's apartment window. I don't recall seeing any Trump stickers or signs.

geezer · Post by **geezer** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:16 am

Lots of Bernie stickers here in Austin, as might be expected. Im my specific neighborhood, I've been gratified to see zero Trump signs and a smattering of "I'm with Her." Honestly I expected to see a few Trump, but upon reflection my neighbors are probably more old liberals that got successful than staunch conservative types.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:29 am

My neighborhood in North Dallas (almost Plano) has a bunch of Clinton signs in yards. No Trump signs to be seen but there are a few signs for the Republican running to be our state representative. My theory is that the Republicans in my area are pretty ashamed of Trump, so in order to still publicly identify as Republican (and implicitly condemn Trump), they're choosing to display signs for Republican candidates in other races.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:32 am

There used to tons of Trump yard signs in St. Augustine; fortunately, Hurricane Matthew seems to have blown most of them away.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:33 am

Triumph the Insult Dog puts together a focus group to evaluate new Trump ads.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:34 am

The White Rock Lake area is considered almost Plano? To me, Richardson is 'almost Plano'.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:57 am

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:There used to tons of Trump yard signs in St. Augustine; fortunately, Hurricane Matthew seems to have blown most of them away.

The Dems snuck in under cover of the storm to remove them and make it look like The Donald is not winning big.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:02 pm

There are plenty of Trump signs around my slice of Florida. I would say roughly the same amount as what I saw for Romney. Very few Clinton signs

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:18 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:The White Rock Lake area is considered almost Plano? To me, Richardson is 'almost Plano'.

I moved. I live near UT-Dallas now, and the alley behind my house literally separates Dallas from Plano... well technically, Collin County. City limits of Plano are a bit further north.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:23 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:I don't know if this is a regional behavior, but I have noticed the complete lack of bumper stickers this year supporting either candidate. It's the first presidential election I can remember, where there seem to be almost NO bumper stickers (or hats, or shirts, etc).

Haven't noticed any bumper stickers for either candidate.

My typical morning walk takes me past about 300 houses (yeah, I counted once). Two of the houses on my route have Trump yard signs. There are 0 Clinton signs.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:27 pm

Captain Caveman wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:The White Rock Lake area is considered almost Plano? To me, Richardson is 'almost Plano'.
I moved. I live near UT-Dallas now, and the alley behind my house literally separates Dallas from Plano... well technically, Collin County. City limits of Plano are a bit further north.

Neat.

hentzau · Post by **hentzau** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:31 pm

I was in rural SW Michigan this weekend and for the first time noticed Trump signs. I've seen some HC signs around my neighborhood, none for Trump. And you're right nary a magnet or bumper sticker.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:32 pm

I'd be willing to put up a Clinton lawn sign. I don't because I'm in more rural NH, and frankly, I'm a little concerned that openly declaring for Clinton might negatively effect potential relations with the neighbors. Not that we've really had much interaction with the neighbors since we moved here, but you never know. There is one house down the street with two Trump signs, and one on my daily commute with several Clinton signs. All the intersections that have a ton of campaign signs have all been for local elections.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:35 pm

Not a ton of bumper stickers / signs around Boston. Mostly a mix of "I'm With Her" and Bernie bumper stickers. Though one person who lives on the corner of a major intersection I regularly go through put up a giant "Hillary for prison" sign.

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:40 pm

We used to have a single Trump sign in the neighborhood. It's gone now, though. Mostly, around here, people have had "No Asphalt" signs on their lawns. I was confused at first (are we going back to dirt roads or something?), but it turns out there's an asphalt plant being built in the industrial section of town and it's some form of (futile) protest.

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:50 pm

Here in Central PA, there seems to be a ratio of 10 Trump signs to every Clinton lawn sign. That being said, there do seem to be fewer overall political sign compared to what I recall about 2008 and 2012. I've seen very few bumper stickers in general.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:03 pm

I've seen 0 signs in Central NJ for either side. I see a bumper sticker every once in a while. I did have a pizza delivered last week and the kid was wearing a Drumpf shirt. I asked if he was a big Drumpf fan and he said his boss makes him wear it. I asked how people generally reacted and he shrugged in that way that teenagers do that says I don't care and also said please sign this receipt so I can get back to delivering pizza. As a note that pizza parlor is in Milltown, NJ which is probably one of the least diverse towns in the state (93% white) and is fairly blue collar so it probably is a solid strategy.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:30 pm

My brother and his partner of almost 2 decades are staunch Trump supporters. It boggles my mind. Their Facebook pages are festooned with far right memes and pictures of American flags and Trump. When any of their friends in the gay community in that region point out that Trump isn't exactly supportive of gay marriage and other gay rights (although he was oddly supportive of Caitlyn Jenner using a women's restroom at one point), they get hostile about it.

We live in weird times...

Fretmute · Post by **Fretmute** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:43 pm

hepcat wrote:My brother and his partner of almost 2 decades are staunch Trump supporters. It boggles my mind. Their Facebook pages are festooned with far right memes and pictures of American flags and Trump. When any of their friends in the gay community in that region point out that Trump isn't exactly supportive of gay marriage and other gay rights (although he was oddly supportive of Caitlyn Jenner using a women's restroom at one point), they get hostile about it.

We live in weird times...

Not to mention that Pence is as evil as it gets in that regard.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:45 pm

Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:52 pm

On the plus side, it does sort of destroy the homophobic narrative about your stereotypical gay that is often used to marginalize a whole group of people.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:52 pm

I can tell you as a Jew that Hitler had some appealing capital gains tax proposals.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:00 pm

This is what scares me:

Why Trump Could Win:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ing-214359

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:09 pm

Grifman wrote:This is what scares me:

Why Trump Could Win:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ing-214359

It would be a much bigger threat if the U.S. presidential election was based on a popular vote - unlike European elections, a few outlier areas are very unlikely to shift the total electoral college vote (normally you'd be worried about states like Ohio and Florida here, but depending on the math, even having one of those flip this election might not matter).

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:21 pm

Right now Clinton's ahead in the polls by an average of about 7 points (which may still be growing). The Brexit polling average was off by IIRC around 4 points. So Trump could still win, but it would probably involve both a semi-significant tightening of the polls over the next three weeks *plus* a big Brexit-style polling miss.

That's why most election projections give Trump about a 10% - 15% chance to win even after the disastrous (for him) past few weeks. Still low, but far from impossible.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:24 pm

In 2012, there were Romney signs EVERYWHERE (unsurprisingly), but I can't recall seeing a single lawn sign here in my neighborhood this year. I see a Trump bumper sticker on my commute every now and then, but they're very few and far between.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:26 pm

Skinypupy wrote:In 2012, there were Romney signs EVERYWHERE (unsurprisingly), but I can't recall seeing a single lawn sign here in my neighborhood this year. I see a Trump bumper sticker on my commute every now and then, but they're very few and far between.

What about McMullin-mania?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:31 pm

If he has a gaffe between now and the election, will they egg McMullin?

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:54 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Skinypupy wrote:In 2012, there were Romney signs EVERYWHERE (unsurprisingly), but I can't recall seeing a single lawn sign here in my neighborhood this year. I see a Trump bumper sticker on my commute every now and then, but they're very few and far between.
What about McMullin-mania?

Not many signs (I'm seeing very few signs of any sort), but LOTS of social media support for McMullin from the LDS community.

I actually kinda hope he wins the state over Trump, just because it'd be funny.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:10 pm

Chaz wrote:I'd be willing to put up a Clinton lawn sign. I don't because I'm in more rural NH, and frankly, I'm a little concerned that openly declaring for Clinton might negatively effect potential relations with the neighbors.

I think this may be the biggest contributing factor this time...that people are either embarrassed to admit who they plan to vote for (both sides), or that they are concerned that it will cause a rift with friends and neighbors, given how much this particular election has seemed to polarize the country. Like a political civil war.

For me personally, I had an Obama magnet on my car for a while before he was elected in 2008, but have absolutely no desire (for whatever reason) to "endorse" if you will, Hillary in the same way. I have to be pretty enthused about a candidate to put something on my car or in my yard, and I'm just...not, about her.

From a voting perspective however, I am absolutely more fired up to vote for her, even more than I was for Obama in 2008, because of the Trump factor (and yes, I know my vote is meaningless considering where I am, but still going to do it) Statement and all that.

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:50 pm

I don't think I saw any Clinton or Trump lawn sign anywhere around here - lots of signs for local candidates and ballot propositions but nothing for the presidential election. Also haven't seen any bumper stickers (other than one "Giant Meteor 2016"), but I barely drive anywhere these days, so my sample size is pretty small.

I had Obama bumper stickers on my car but that's because I made a campaign donation and they mailed me free stickers, I didn't go out of my way to find them. Funny story: I have one bumper sticker that says "Women for Obama" from 2008. Around 2012 I slapped on an Obama-Biden sticker with a dual purpose of advertising my political views AND covering up a big crack in the bend of the bumper. I went on vacation last year and left my car parked in front of my parents' house for 2 weeks. While it was sitting there, someone decided that they really didn't like Obama. They peeled off the Obama-Biden sticker - and then neatly put duct tape over the hole that the sticker was covering

They also tried peeling off the first sticker, realized that it was going to damage the bumper (older sticker, not made of that peel-friendly stretchy stuff). So instead they put a piece of duct tape over the word "Obama".

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:19 pm

Trump Maps Out Plan For First 100 Days Of Not Conceding Election

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:24 pm

My neighborhood is the sort where people have signs in their yards even for the local city elections, and I'm not seeing Hilary or Trump signs. I hadn't noticed until I read this last page of comments. Now I'm creeped out, it feels like I don't know my neighbors now. Where are their political signs? What does this mean?!?!

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:37 pm

I live on the Southwest edge of the KC metro area in one of the few blue counties in Kansas. NE of me is all urban and suburban, but starting about 500 feet South of my house it turns into fields of crops and livestock.

With that in mind, I do feel like I've seen less bumper stickers in general this year with the exception of the occasional pickup from the little rural towns in the area with Trump bumper stickers (and confederate flags), but once you get out into the country in the *really* rural areas I see lots of Trump yard signs in front of a lot of farms.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:41 pm

Defiant wrote:Trump Maps Out Plan For First 100 Days Of Not Conceding Election

I'm not convinced that this isn't prophecy.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:45 pm

A reliably conservative neighbor that has had signs up for POTUS candidates in the past has elected to only include local candidates and issues this year. Same thing for at least two liberal ones not putting out HRC signs and today the signs were missing for the one neighbor that had them. It's windy out, so maybe they blew away but all of their other signs are still up fine.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:45 pm

gbasden wrote:
Archinerd wrote:
Defiant wrote:But you're only using a single poll. There are polls that show Clinton up by 11 nationally.
still sad tho,
I still can't believe at this point that certain people on *this board* still are going to vote for the guy.

I'm not sure anyone is. There's only four possibilities among semi-active posters and I'm pretty sure Rip has said he's voting independent. I think em2nought is a fake account, and who knows about msd but I think he also said independent since Alabama is in the bag anyway.

I can't tell if Smutly is actually voting for Trump or just anti-Hillary.

Regardless, it's way more skewed than previous elections.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:53 pm

Skinypupy wrote:Trump wants both candidates to have a drug test before the 3rd debate.

During a campaign rally Saturday in New Hampshire, the GOP presidential nominee compared himself and Clinton to athletes.

"Athletes, they make them take a drug test, right. I think we should take a drug test prior to the debate," Trump said.

"Why don't we do that? We should take a drug test, prior, because I don't know what's going on with her, but at the beginning of her last debate, she was all pumped up at the beginning, and at the end it was like, 'Oh, take me down,' " Trump said, imitating Clinton. "She could barely reach her car.'"

Trump said he was willing to take drug test.
He is truly insane.

Does Mr. Sniffles truly think this would be a good idea with accusations of him smoking coke prior to the debates <sniff>

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:05 pm

noxiousdog wrote:
Regardless, it's way more skewed than previous elections.

That's true. But we probably don't quite match Trump's target audience.