The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:16 pm

Defiant wrote:
hepcat wrote: I said "Period".
To be fair, this is a Donald Trump thread. Using "Period" to indicate the end of a discussion might not be the first definition of that word that people think of.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:50 pm

El Guapo wrote:

Dude. Linking Goatse is way out of line.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:28 pm

YellowKing wrote: It does show me, however, that a LOT of Trump support is fueled out of religious fanaticism. There is an idea, carefully cultivated by the evangelical movement, that Republicans = God and Democrats = Satan/War on Christianity, and those battle lines aren't going to change no matter how many pussies are grabbed. Short of Trump sprouting horns and a pitchfork, these people are never going to believe anything that goes against their delusion.

Some of my FB conservative Evangelicals have gone silent, but others have been tying themselves in knots to justify voting for Trump in Christian terms.

The base logic is that the whole race is about the Supreme Court anyway, but their positive faith doesn't allow them such worldly pragmatism, so they're required to reach for absolutely Biblical justifications: in the past God used inadequate rulers (Saul, David, Solomon) to work His will for His people; in any case, Trump must be better than Obama and Clinton, who are necessarily (because non-Evangelicals) the equivalent of Nebuchadnezzar or Pharaoh.

Ultimately the idea is that Trump is a sinner, but we all are sinners, and as a good Christian American he is open to being God's instrument.

In other words, they're voting for Trump but hoping for a miracle.

Default · Post by **Default** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:14 pm

This would take something on the level of the parting of the Red Sea.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:35 am

As a former communications aide to Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and former senator Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), I can personally testify that Republican women have, for years, fended off accusations from the Democrats of the party’s allegedly anti-woman beliefs. What did we get for it? The nomination — by way of a largely older, male voting base — of a brazen and unapologetic misogynist.

If the GOP has truly convinced itself that openly engaging in sexual assault fantasies is something normal that men do among one another, I have a suggestion. Relocate the Republican National Committee headquarters into a men’s-only locker room. Eliminate all pretenses of wanting to let women in.

Now, I don’t purport to speak for all women, but I know I am not alone. I am one of the many women the Republican Party left behind this election.

The GOP is about to learn a hard lesson when it comes to the women’s vote: defend us or lose us.

But don’t take my word for it. There’ll be a new political map, coming out Nov. 9, that will tell the GOP everything it needs to know.

link

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:59 pm

He wasn't engaging in 'fantasies', he was bragging about real world activities, that's what's so objectionable about it. That's also why his 'locker room' talk excuse was so wrong. He wasn't talking about women, as guys do. He was telling someone what he does.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:48 pm

gameoverman wrote:He wasn't engaging in 'fantasies', he was bragging about real world activities, that's what's so objectionable about it. That's also why his 'locker room' talk excuse was so wrong. He wasn't talking about women, as guys do. He was telling someone what he does.

With no proof (the women coming forward are all lying about everything), then it's easy enough to spin it that he was just bragging and making stuff up, as guys do in the locker room. I'm sure everyone's made up stories about pawing women against their will before. Right? Right?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:51 am

Who knew that the RNC sharing its voter data with a white nationalist campaign might turn out badly?

The link is discussing a Bloomberg cover story from this morning talking about plans that Steve Bannon and other members of the Trump inner circle have to transition their campaign into a white-nationalist media organization after the campaign.

As a side note, evidently this plan is called "Project Alamo" within the Trump campaign, which as far as Trumpworld goes is actually pretty subtle and sophisticated for a name.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:47 pm

Interesting and sympathic view of Trumpers in Lousiana:

http://www.vox.com/2016/9/6/12803636/ar ... iana-trump

There are people out there with real problems that both parties have ignored.

One man [on the left] told me after he read this book, "These should be people we’re fighting for, not fighting against."

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:58 pm

El Guapo wrote:Who knew that the RNC sharing its voter data with a white nationalist campaign might turn out badly?

The link is discussing a Bloomberg cover story from this morning talking about plans that Steve Bannon and other members of the Trump inner circle have to transition their campaign into a white-nationalist media organization after the campaign.

As a side note, evidently this plan is called "Project Alamo" within the Trump campaign, which as far as Trumpworld goes is actually pretty subtle and sophisticated for a name.

A link within this article is even more fascinating - it really is a must read:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... days-to-go

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:33 pm

Oh great, now I've got to worry about Drumpf 4 years from now, possibly having learned to be a better demagogue?

Geezus.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:11 pm

"We should just cancel the election and give it to Trump"

Might as well. If he wins, this will probably be the last one anyway.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:45 am

Trump’s plan for a comeback includes building a ‘psychographic’ profile of every voter

In a Fifth Avenue office near Trump Tower, a company being paid millions of dollars by Donald Trump’s presidential campaign says it has developed a political weapon powerful enough to help the Republican nominee overcome his troubles and win the White House.

The key is a psychological model for identifying voters that can “determine the personality of every single adult in the United States of America,” said Alexander Nix, chief executive of Cambridge Analytica.

The little-known company, which has operated in the United States for four years, opened its office here only a month ago and is clearly at the center of Trump’s quest for a last-minute comeback against Democrat Hillary Clinton. New federal filings show the campaign’s payments to the firm ballooning from $250,000 in August to $5 million in September.

The reliance on Cambridge reflects a recognition by Trump’s campaign that drastic measures are required to erase a potentially irreversible disparity between Trump’s get-out-the-vote operation and Clinton’s meticulously built machinery.

The firm says it can predict how most people will vote by using up to 5,000 pieces of data about every American adult, combined with the result of hundreds of thousands of personality and behavioral surveys, to identify millions of voters who are most open to being persuaded to support Trump.

This, the company says, is a leap beyond the widely used practice known as micro-targeting, in which campaigns use demographic and consumer data such as magazine subscriptions and club memberships to deduce political leanings.

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:23 am

Even if they correctly identify the swaths of persuadable voters in swing states, they are out of time to persuade them. This type of operation takes weeks, if not months. Trump is welcome to spend his money, though.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:14 am

$200 Trump never pays the bill because he was dissatisfied with the services rendered.

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:41 am

Looks like it was already paid and Trump doesn't care. It's not his money, it's his campaign's. If which he only gave 56 mil out of 100 mil promised

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:47 am

Max Peck wrote:Trump’s plan for a comeback includes building a ‘psychographic’ profile of every voter
In a Fifth Avenue office near Trump Tower, a company being paid millions of dollars by Donald Trump’s presidential campaign says it has developed a political weapon powerful enough to help the Republican nominee overcome his troubles and win the White House.

The key is a psychological model for identifying voters that can “determine the personality of every single adult in the United States of America,” said Alexander Nix, chief executive of Cambridge Analytica.

I'm of the opinion that Cambridge Analytica is a scam preying on campaigns who don't know basic statistics.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:29 am

If nothing else that Kim Jong Trump has said or done during the campaign has scared the shit out of you, this should.

Knowing how his mind works, anybody who would even consider voting for this guy has to be a complete deplorable. And a fucking moron.

And yes, I'll extend it to people on this board, CoC be damned.

AWS260 · Post by **AWS260** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:33 am

raydude wrote:
Max Peck wrote:Trump’s plan for a comeback includes building a ‘psychographic’ profile of every voter
In a Fifth Avenue office near Trump Tower, a company being paid millions of dollars by Donald Trump’s presidential campaign says it has developed a political weapon powerful enough to help the Republican nominee overcome his troubles and win the White House.

The key is a psychological model for identifying voters that can “determine the personality of every single adult in the United States of America,” said Alexander Nix, chief executive of Cambridge Analytica.
I'm of the opinion that Cambridge Analytica is a scam preying on campaigns who don't know basic statistics.

They don't seem to very well-regarded.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:52 am

tgb wrote:If nothing else that Kim Jong Trump has said or done during the campaign has scared the shit out of you, this should.

Knowing how his mind works, anybody who would even consider voting for this guy has to be a complete deplorable. And a fucking moron.

And yes, I'll extend it to people on this board, CoC be damned.

Anyone who thinks that is anything more than hyperbolic rhetoric is a moron.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:07 am

I agree it was just a "quip" as even CNN noted. The problem is that Trump has a history of saying crazy things that he actually means, so people tend to assume he's serious. Especially when he's spent the last couple of weeks preaching that the election is rigged.

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:07 am

Rip wrote:
tgb wrote:If nothing else that Kim Jong Trump has said or done during the campaign has scared the shit out of you, this should.

Knowing how his mind works, anybody who would even consider voting for this guy has to be a complete deplorable. And a fucking moron.

And yes, I'll extend it to people on this board, CoC be damned.
Anyone who thinks that is anything more than hyperbolic rhetoric is a moron.

Anyone who thinks a Presidential candidate should be saying things like this probably also thinks Duterte is doing a fine job. Perhaps a move to the Philippines is in order?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:18 am

I'm putting real consideration into the possibility of Trump as a Russian agent whose only goal is to undermine American democracy. How else do you explain his efforts to do just that?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:35 am

Rip wrote:Anyone who thinks that is anything more than hyperbolic rhetoric is a moron.

He is running for President. This defense hit its limit sometime last year

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:44 am

It's a quip only insomuch as he lacks the power to do anything about it. He's already expressed admiration for half a dozen tinpot dictators around the globe.

Just you wait until the deplorables and their moronic stooges vote him into office.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:59 am

I can't wait to see how his band of sycophants, misfits, and freeloaders try to spin their way out of this one.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:05 am

Max Peck wrote:Trump’s plan for a comeback includes building a ‘psychographic’ profile of every voter

Obama's campaign had that same kind of thing back in '08 and '12. And, IIRC, Romney had something similar in '12, too. Clinton's also been using it. But I'm sure Trump will claim that he thought it first. Hell, I'm sure he'll claim that in that Hollywood Access tape, pussy was just a euphemism for analytical data points that you have to grab them by.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:06 am

raydude wrote:Looks like it was already paid and Trump doesn't care. It's not his money, it's his campaign's. If which he only gave 56 mil out of 100 mil promised

That's money that totally could have been used to pay for services at Trump's hotels. So it is his money.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:33 am

I noted that the WP stated that Steve Bannon is on Cambridge Analytica's board of directors. Irregardless of the actual efficacy of their system vis-à-vis increasing voter share, particularly in the closing days of the current campaign, it's interesting to contemplate the idea that the alt-right is making a list (and checking it twice?). Until I was reading that article, I hadn't really thought about how an organization that is down with using a term like "voter suppression" on the record might make use of data analytics targetting "every single adult in the United States of America."

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:47 am

Max Peck wrote:I noted that the WP stated that Steve Bannon is on Cambridge Analytica's board of directors. Irregardless of the actual efficacy of their system vis-à-vis increasing voter share, particularly in the closing days of the current campaign, it's interesting to contemplate the idea that the alt-right is making a list (and checking it twice?). Until I was reading that article, I hadn't really thought about how an organization that is down with using a term like "voter suppression" on the record might make use of data analytics targetting "every single adult in the United States of America."

Trump's entire campaign is becoming scarier and scarier. He clearly has zero respect for democracy on top of being a misogynistic bigot and he has now been handed a ton of information (power) by his supporters. Its not scary so much for the election period as for what he may attempt post election failure.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:56 am

I truly believe he thinks he's just being funny. Unfortunately, I fear many in his supporting demographic may be taking him serious,

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:08 am

hepcat wrote:I truly believe he thinks he's just being funny. Unfortunately, I fear many in his supporting demographic may be taking him serious,

I thought that for a while. I don't think that way any longer. I just can not imagine he thinks it a joke any longer.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:00 am

raydude wrote:
Rip wrote:
tgb wrote:If nothing else that Kim Jong Trump has said or done during the campaign has scared the shit out of you, this should.

Knowing how his mind works, anybody who would even consider voting for this guy has to be a complete deplorable. And a fucking moron.

And yes, I'll extend it to people on this board, CoC be damned.
Anyone who thinks that is anything more than hyperbolic rhetoric is a moron.
Anyone who thinks a Presidential candidate should be saying things like this probably also thinks Duterte is doing a fine job. Perhaps a move to the Philippines is in order?

My wife was one of those until recently. She, largely uneducated in politics, was swayed by the ridiculous promises Duterte made in the campaign. Now she's starting to realize he is cultivating a hostile environment to Americans, putting our next family trip there in serious jeopardy. She's not so much a fan any more.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:12 am

It seems like even if you are engaged in *legal* voter suppression, you shouldn't sit down in an interview and discuss your three main strategies for convincing people in a Democracy to not vote. That just seems dumb. Like....it seems pretty easy to take those soundbites and put them in a commercial targeting the same demographics, pointing out what they are trying to do.

How do you not know to not say something like that out loud?

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:28 am

Remus West wrote:
hepcat wrote:I truly believe he thinks he's just being funny. Unfortunately, I fear many in his supporting demographic may be taking him serious,
I thought that for a while. I don't think that way any longer. I just can not imagine he thinks it a joke any longer.

I think he's referring to the comment about just handing over the election, not the whole campaign run itself. IMO it's very 'meh' relative to the other stuff he's said.

But it goes to show if you constantly spout hyperbolic bullshit, you can pretty much get away with saying anything after awhile because people are just numb to it. I do think it was just a throwaway comment in jest, but imagine if HRC had said that, in the same manner. OMG the shitstorm would be epic.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:37 am

RunningMn9 wrote:It seems like even if you are engaged in *legal* voter suppression, you shouldn't sit down in an interview and discuss your three main strategies for convincing people in a Democracy to not vote. That just seems dumb. Like....it seems pretty easy to take those soundbites and put them in a commercial targeting the same demographics, pointing out what they are trying to do.

How do you not know to not say something like that out loud?

One thing that comforts me in this election when I get nervous is that while this election has exposed Trump as a cruel narcissistic bigoted would-be dictator, it's also exposed him as pretty incompetent in management as well. So, it seems pretty likely that his GOTV efforts and voter targeting and the like are likely to turn out to be disasters (for him, not the country).

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:38 am

I still say that the "joke" reflects the way he thinks, and is only "funny" because he lacks the authority to make it happen.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:07 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:
Remus West wrote:
hepcat wrote:I truly believe he thinks he's just being funny. Unfortunately, I fear many in his supporting demographic may be taking him serious,
I thought that for a while. I don't think that way any longer. I just can not imagine he thinks it a joke any longer.
I think he's referring to the comment about just handing over the election, not the whole campaign run itself. IMO it's very 'meh' relative to the other stuff he's said.

But it goes to show if you constantly spout hyperbolic bullshit, you can pretty much get away with saying anything after awhile because people are just numb to it. I do think it was just a throwaway comment in jest, but imagine if HRC had said that, in the same manner. OMG the shitstorm would be epic.

I meant I used to think Trump thinks of himself as funny. I don't any longer. I think he is serious about this stuff. He is using it as a gauge to determine future actions.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:12 pm

tgb wrote:I still say that the "joke" reflects the way he thinks, and is only "funny" because he lacks to authority to make it happen.

Yup.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:27 pm

Trump winning or Trump losing - I wonder which would be worse for the Republican party?