The Former Trump Presidency Thread

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:06 am

Paingod wrote:
Chaz wrote:See, this kind of thing is what gives me all kinds of doubts about him:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 4532209664

In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
In his defense, he's referring to anyone who voted against him as "Voting Illegally"

Not yet, but soon.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:15 am

malchior wrote:Go read his NY Times interview - and by that I mean the transcript. He is incoherent at times - he rambles. He shows shocking lack of command of facts. And personally I don't believe it is an act either. So I think these tweet storms are ... legit for lack of a better term. And it is a near complete media failure to put his dangerous susceptibility to outbursts, snap decisions that he later reconsiders, and bad behavior in general into proper context. The NY Times and WaPo are doing a fairly job of just putting this all this garbage on the front page and letting the visual tell this story.

Which makes this story even scarier than it already was.

By all accounts, the nuclear briefings a president-elect receives before inauguration are both complex in detailing procedures for a nuclear launch and awe-inspiring in explaining the physical consequences of selecting a target, launching an attack and girding for the fallout.

"These are the aspects that reportedly left President Kennedy ashen-faced," said Peter D Feaver, a security and conflict expert at Duke University, who worked on the National Security Council under the Bill Clinton and George W Bush administrations.

Those familiar with the nuclear briefings say they demand a sharp focus.

"It's not something that someone even with vast experience can easily digest," said Leon Panetta, a former secretary of defence intimately familiar with the briefings.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:22 am

Reports now are that he is meeting with Patraeus this morning - possible Sec. of Defense. That totally makes sense. I mean the man is competent as a military commander but WTF. He was convicted of mishandling classified information - actually convicted. Can he hold a clearance any longer even? Serious question.

Fireball · Post by **Fireball** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:32 am

malchior wrote:Reports now are that he is meeting with Patraeus this morning - possible Sec. of Defense. That totally makes sense. I mean the man is competent as a military commander but WTF. He was convicted of mishandling classified information - actually convicted. Can he hold a clearance any longer even? Serious question.

I look forward to tons of garbage tweets and FB posts implying that what Patraeus did is somehow okay compared to what Clinton did.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:03 am

Sending up the Ripsignal.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:17 am

Good thing I started playing Fallout 4 last week - should be good preparation for the coming years.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:34 am

There is no doubt that Clinton was many times as careless with highly classified data. That said the entire argument would be like comparing Castro to Mussolini. Both horrible and I don't support Patraeus for SecDef. Makes even less sense than Romney for SecState. At least in that case I can just consider it sending an enemy to smack someone in the face with a pair of gloves for you.

This is one of two immensely important members of the cabinet for Trump and Patraeus is not a great choice.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:45 am

YOU ARE STILL CRYING WOLF

Back in October 2015, I wrote that the picture of Trump as “the white power candidate” and “the first openly white supremacist candidate to have a shot at the Presidency in the modern era” was overblown. I said that “the media narrative that Trump is doing some kind of special appeal-to-white-voters voodoo is unsupported by any polling data”
...
I stick to my thesis from October 2015. There is no evidence that Donald Trump is more racist than any past Republican candidate (or any other 70 year old white guy, for that matter). All this stuff about how he’s “the candidate of the KKK” and “the vanguard of a new white supremacist movement” is made up. It’s a catastrophic distraction from the dozens of other undeniable problems with Trump that could have convinced voters to abandon him. That it came to dominate the election cycle should be considered a horrifying indictment of our political discourse, in the same way that it would be a horrifying indictment of our political discourse if the entire Republican campaign had been based around the theory that Hillary Clinton was a secret Satanist. Yes, calling Romney a racist was crying wolf. But you are still crying wolf.

Trump walked on stage in Greeley, Colorado to a large cheering crowd when he spotted a rainbow flag in the audience. As the music blasted through the speakers, Mr. Trump pointed to a supporter as if to ask if he could see his flag and then motioned for a campaign worker to help retrieve the LGBT symbol of equality from the attendee.
Within seconds, Mr. Trump was walking around the platform with the rainbow flag in his hands and moments later unfurled it in full display. You could see a huge smile on Mr. Trump’s face as he walked to both sides of the stage to proudly hold up the rainbow flag announcing support from the gay and lesbian community.
A rundown of some contrary talking points:
1. Is Trump getting a lot of his support from white supremacist organizations?
2. Is Trump getting a lot of his support from online white nationalists and the alt-right?
3. Is Trump getting a lot of his support from people who wouldn’t join white nationalist groups, aren’t in the online alt-right, but still privately hold some kind of white supremacist position?
4. Aren’t there a lot of voters who, although not willing to vote for David Duke or even willing to express negative feelings about black people on a poll, still have implicit racist feelings, the kind where they’re nervous when they see a black guy on a deserted street at night?
5. But even if Donald Trump isn’t openly white supremacist, didn’t he get an endorsement from KKK leader David Duke? Didn’t he refuse to reject that endorsement? Doesn’t that mean that he secretly wants to court the white supremacist vote?
6. What about Trump’s “drugs and crime” speech about Mexicans?
7. What about the border wall? Doesn’t that mean Trump must hate Mexicans?
8. Isn’t Trump anti-immigrant?
9. Don’t Trump voters oppose the Emancipation Proclamation that freed the slaves?
10. Isn’t Trump anti-Semitic?
11. Don’t we know that Trump voters are motivated by racism because somebody checked and likelihood of being a Trump voter doesn’t correlate with some statistic or other supposedly measuring economic anxiety?
12. Don’t we know that Trump voters are motivated by racism because despite all the stuff about economic anxiety, rich people were more likely to vote Trump than poor people?
13. Doesn’t Trump want to ban (or “extreme vet”, or whatever) Muslims entering the country?
14. Haven’t there been hundreds of incidents of Trump-related hate crimes?
15. Don’t we know that Trump supports racist violence because, when some of his supporters beat up a Latino man, he just said they were “passionate”?
16. But didn’t Trump…
17. Isn’t this a lot of special pleading? Like, sure, you can make up various non-racist explanations for every single racist-sounding thing Trump says, and say a lot of it is just coincidence or Trump being inexplicably weird, but eventually the coincidences start adding up. You have to look at this kind of thing in context.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:52 am

tgb wrote:
And Anthony Bourdain has famously said many times, he has never seen a native American come into one of his restaurants to apply for a job as a busser or dish washer.

He's distorting the truth.

I worked restaurants for 6 years. While it was mostly foreign workers, it was by no means exclusive.

So, if no Americans came into one if his restaurants, there was some artificial management reason.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:10 pm

noxiousdog wrote:
tgb wrote:
And Anthony Bourdain has famously said many times, he has never seen a native American come into one of his restaurants to apply for a job as a busser or dish washer.
He's distorting the truth.

I worked restaurants for 6 years. While it was mostly foreign workers, it was by no means exclusive.

So, if no Americans came into one if his restaurants, there was some artificial management reason.

Also unless Bourdain is more involved at that level than I would imagine, whether he has personally seen any non-foreign worker apply for one of those positions is probably not a very useful metric.

Fireball · Post by **Fireball** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:11 pm

Rip wrote:There is no doubt that Clinton was many times as careless with highly classified data.

No, she was not. While there were emails on her private server that contained classified information, much of that information was not classified at the time it was received on the server. Further, no emails from Secretary Clinton contained original information that was classified at the time — ie, she received a handful of emails that contained information that was classified at the time, but did not originate such emails. Even further, all of the persons she was conversing with using the server were people with the TS clearance required to see the information that was classified at the time it was included in one of those emails. The only unacceptable part of the Clinton arrangement was that she was using a private server (which was located in the SCIF in the basement of her private home) to send and receive email. She was not knowingly sending information to persons without clearance, or actively removing classified information from a SCIF environment for the purpose of distributing it to someone without clearance.

That is *exactly* what Patraues did. He took classified information out of a SCIF environment, stored it on paper in an insecure location, and purposefully handed the information to a person he knew did not have clearance to receive it. That is dramatically worse than anything Clinton did.

Edited to add that I've actually seen the emails in question regarding the Clinton server, this is not my supposition based upon media reports.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:15 pm

El Guapo wrote: Also unless Bourdain is more involved at that level than I would imagine, whether he has personally seen any non-foreign worker apply for one of those positions is probably not a very useful metric.

He started low in the kitchens and then built his brand. It's part of his appeal. Kitchen Confidential is a really good book. Also, ironic now that I think about it as HE applied for that position.

I'm guessing he's using a bit of hyperbole saying that the kitchens wouldn't run without foreign workers.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:32 pm

Stupid question.

If Trump is publicly proclaiming millions of people voted illegally, then shouldn't he (and his followers) be clamoring for a total audit of the election for integrity purposes? Or is that what he is doing in some weird way, where he is like a child who doesn't know how to directly ask for what he wants?

I'm really confused.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:34 pm

Fireball wrote:
Rip wrote:There is no doubt that Clinton was many times as careless with highly classified data.
No, she was not. While there were emails on her private server that contained classified information, much of that information was not classified at the time it was received on the server. Further, no emails from Secretary Clinton contained original information that was classified at the time — ie, she received a handful of emails that contained information that was classified at the time, but did not originate such emails. Even further, all of the persons she was conversing with using the server were people with the TS clearance required to see the information that was classified at the time it was included in one of those emails. The only unacceptable part of the Clinton arrangement was that she was using a private server (which was located in the SCIF in the basement of her private home) to send and receive email. She was not knowingly sending information to persons without clearance, or actively removing classified information from a SCIF environment for the purpose of distributing it to someone without clearance.

That is *exactly* what Patraues did. He took classified information out of a SCIF environment, stored it on paper in an insecure location, and purposefully handed the information to a person he knew did not have clearance to receive it. That is dramatically worse than anything Clinton did.

Edited to add that I've actually seen the emails in question regarding the Clinton server, this is not my supposition based upon media reports.

She decided to set up the server. That makes anything that went through it her responsibility. Oh and the SCIF, you mean the one she liked to send the maid to get classified stuff off of? The maid with NO security clearance? So many mistruths there. Bloomenthal had no security clearance. Even if he sends something that is classified she knows he doesn't have clearance to know she is duty bound to report such.

Wasting your time trying to convince me she did nothing wrong. I spent a decade working with stuff that highly classified and we weren't even allowed to have safes with it open without 2 people in the room who were cleared. I've seen people court martialed for something as simple as forgetting they had a confidential piping diagram in their jacket pocket when they went home. A frigging plumbing diagram. You can argue all day about how damaging and egregious her mistakes were but to try and write it off as nothing is silly.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:35 pm

I'm guessing that the fact he didn't win the popular vote has been sticking in his craw. An egomaniac of Trump's magnitude simply cannot accept anything less than total adoration. He was being held back by those around him from lashing out over this previously, but now that others are questioning even his electoral win, he feels he's free to tell everyone that there's no way he isn't loved by everyone in the country.

Self deception can be a survival tool for mentally unstable individuals like Trump.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:38 pm

So then, shouldn't he (and his following) be clamoring for an audit to prove his popularity?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:40 pm

Donald Trump's false claim about illegal votes 'based on unverified tweet posted on conspiracy website'

Offered daily intelligence briefings, Trump takes a pass

Heaven help us.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:56 pm

LordMortis wrote:So then, shouldn't he (and his following) be clamoring for an audit to prove his popularity?

I'm betting the first tweets condemning the recount efforts came from his staff.

As for his followers condemning it, the majority of them probably don't suffer as badly from egomania and are just happy with a win result of any magnitude.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:56 pm

HOUSTON, TX. – November 27, 2016: True the Vote (TTV), the nation's leading voters’ rights and election integrity organization, today released a statement with respect to President-Elect Donald Trump’s claim that “millions” of individuals illegally voted in the 2016 Election.

“True the Vote absolutely supports President-elect Trump’s recent comment about the impact of illegal voting, as reflected in the national popular vote. We are still collecting data and will be for several months, but our intent is to publish a comprehensive study on the significant impact of illegal voting in all of its many forms and begin a national discussion on how voters, states, and the Trump Administration can best address this growing problem.”

True the Vote (TTV) is an IRS-designated 501(c)(3) voters’ rights organization, founded to inspire and equip voters for involvement at every stage of our electoral process. TTV empowers organizations and individuals across the nation to actively protect the rights of legitimate voters, regardless of their political party affiliation. For more information, please visit

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:01 pm

The emerging problem I have with Trump are his threats to undo "everything" Obama did. Cancel the Iran deal, close the embassy in Cuba, undo every executive order, cancel regulations, etc. Sure he has backed off those to some degree but we have to look stable to the world and our business community when we make agreements/policy decisions. If it looks like every 4 years there is potential we get some crazy/ideologue who 180s every decision ... that is terrible. The proof will be in the pudding but he is so unpredictable and irrational. This could be the most damaging 4 years in the history of the country. Easily. There are a lot of broken systems in the US and they need careful mending - his brand of thrashing around could be devastating.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:03 pm

Rip wrote:
HOUSTON, TX. – November 27, 2016: True the Vote (TTV), the nation's leading voters’ rights and election integrity organization, today released a statement with respect to President-Elect Donald Trump’s claim that “millions” of individuals illegally voted in the 2016 Election.

“True the Vote absolutely supports President-elect Trump’s recent comment about the impact of illegal voting, as reflected in the national popular vote. We are still collecting data and will be for several months, but our intent is to publish a comprehensive study on the significant impact of illegal voting in all of its many forms and begin a national discussion on how voters, states, and the Trump Administration can best address this growing problem.”

True the Vote (TTV) is an IRS-designated 501(c)(3) voters’ rights organization, founded to inspire and equip voters for involvement at every stage of our electoral process. TTV empowers organizations and individuals across the nation to actively protect the rights of legitimate voters, regardless of their political party affiliation. For more information, please visit

That guy is the basis of the infowars article! He has refused to release his data or methodology. Otherwise known as making shit up. You have gone full circle on the derp. Good job!

(Also why post the quote without attribution)

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:04 pm

Rip wrote:
HOUSTON, TX. – November 27, 2016: True the Vote (TTV), the nation's leading voters’ rights and election integrity organization, today released a statement with respect to President-Elect Donald Trump’s claim that “millions” of individuals illegally voted in the 2016 Election.

“True the Vote absolutely supports President-elect Trump’s recent comment about the impact of illegal voting, as reflected in the national popular vote. We are still collecting data and will be for several months, but our intent is to publish a comprehensive study on the significant impact of illegal voting in all of its many forms and begin a national discussion on how voters, states, and the Trump Administration can best address this growing problem.”

True the Vote (TTV) is an IRS-designated 501(c)(3) voters’ rights organization, founded to inspire and equip voters for involvement at every stage of our electoral process. TTV empowers organizations and individuals across the nation to actively protect the rights of legitimate voters, regardless of their political party affiliation. For more information, please visit

To summarize: "we're right but we don't have the facts to back that claim up yet".

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:05 pm

hepcat wrote:
Rip wrote:
HOUSTON, TX. – November 27, 2016: True the Vote (TTV), the nation's leading voters’ rights and election integrity organization, today released a statement with respect to President-Elect Donald Trump’s claim that “millions” of individuals illegally voted in the 2016 Election.

“True the Vote absolutely supports President-elect Trump’s recent comment about the impact of illegal voting, as reflected in the national popular vote. We are still collecting data and will be for several months, but our intent is to publish a comprehensive study on the significant impact of illegal voting in all of its many forms and begin a national discussion on how voters, states, and the Trump Administration can best address this growing problem.”

True the Vote (TTV) is an IRS-designated 501(c)(3) voters’ rights organization, founded to inspire and equip voters for involvement at every stage of our electoral process. TTV empowers organizations and individuals across the nation to actively protect the rights of legitimate voters, regardless of their political party affiliation. For more information, please visit
To summarize: "we're right but we don't have the facts to back that claim up yet".

Sounds a lot like the morons calling for a recount. Sweet irony.

Lol indeed.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:08 pm

(Also why post the quote without attribution)

Apparently, the "article" posted which looks like a news article but with no link comes from "True The Vote"'s own website

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:08 pm

Of course, the difference being that those morons are actually trying to get facts.

Speaking of irony, I love it that Trump supporters are now up in arms over a recount when they repeatedly told everyone that they would question the results from the election themselves.

Defiant wrote:
(Also why post the quote without attribution)
Apparently, the "article" posted which looks like a news article but with no link comes from "True The Vote"'s own website

And that site's claims have been proven false in the past.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:11 pm

Rip wrote:
hepcat wrote:
Rip wrote:
HOUSTON, TX. – November 27, 2016: True the Vote (TTV), the nation's leading voters’ rights and election integrity organization, today released a statement with respect to President-Elect Donald Trump’s claim that “millions” of individuals illegally voted in the 2016 Election.

“True the Vote absolutely supports President-elect Trump’s recent comment about the impact of illegal voting, as reflected in the national popular vote. We are still collecting data and will be for several months, but our intent is to publish a comprehensive study on the significant impact of illegal voting in all of its many forms and begin a national discussion on how voters, states, and the Trump Administration can best address this growing problem.”

True the Vote (TTV) is an IRS-designated 501(c)(3) voters’ rights organization, founded to inspire and equip voters for involvement at every stage of our electoral process. TTV empowers organizations and individuals across the nation to actively protect the rights of legitimate voters, regardless of their political party affiliation. For more information, please visit
To summarize: "we're right but we don't have the facts to back that claim up yet".
Sounds a lot like the morons calling for a recount. Sweet irony.

Lol indeed.

Is it more moronic to say there is evidence for voter fraud and not call for an audit or provide evidence or to say there is evidence for voter fraud, provide it, and then fund raise for a recount?

I'm not saying there is voter fraud, but I think I mentioned this before, I don't understand why an audit isn't built in to the process. It's a pretty monumental day with a lot of room for tampering.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:13 pm

hepcat wrote:Of course, the difference being that those morons are actually trying to get facts.

Speaking of irony, I love it that Trump supporters are now up in arms over a recount when they repeatedly told everyone that they would question the results from the election themselves.

Defiant wrote:
(Also why post the quote without attribution)
Apparently, the "article" posted which looks like a news article but with no link comes from "True The Vote"'s own website
And that site's claims have been proven false in the past.

Who is up in arms? I think it is cute, like watching a goldfish try to swim out of the bowl when you flush it. Good luck little buddy.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:14 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Is it more moronic to say there is evidence for voter fraud and not call for an audit or provide evidence or to say there is evidence for voter fraud, provide it, and then fund raise for a recount?

I'm not saying there is voter fraud, but I think I mentioned this before, I don't understand why an audit isn't built in to the process. It's a pretty monumental day with a lot of room for tampering.

I don't think anyone's provided evidence of voter fraud. And yes, an audit should absolutely be part of the process.

(Edit to clarify: an audit, not voter fraud, should be part of the process.)

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:17 pm

hepcat wrote:Speaking of irony, I love it that Trump supporters are now up in arms over a recount when they repeatedly told everyone that they would question the results from the election themselves.

I fully expected Trump to try and tie up the Presidential nomination in legal red tape for at least 2 years if he didn't win. He LOVES lawsuits and legal action. It's the loaded gun he waves around to get anything he wants.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:19 pm

Rip wrote:Who is up in arms? I think it is cute, like watching a goldfish try to swim out of the bowl when you flush it. Good luck little buddy.

I know he is pretty much the last "Conservative" to engage here - but he is clearly not here for honest discussion. Could we stop taking his bait (myself included)? We can point out how his sources are consistently garbage. He will ignore it. All this is just encouragement to keep dumping garbage at our feet. Why continue with this?

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:25 pm

malchior wrote:
Rip wrote:Who is up in arms? I think it is cute, like watching a goldfish try to swim out of the bowl when you flush it. Good luck little buddy.
I know he is pretty much the last "Conservative" to engage here - but he is clearly not here for honest discussion. Could we stop taking his bait (myself included)? We can point out how his sources are consistently garbage. He will ignore it. All this is just encouragement to keep dumping garbage at our feet. Why continue with this?

Honest discussion? Don't flatter yourself. A bunch of like minded individuals slowly nodding in unison does not a discussion make.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:26 pm

Rip wrote:
Who is up in arms? I think it is cute, like watching a goldfish try to swim out of the bowl when you flush it.

...or watching Trump supporters buy into every conspiracy theory and fake news article they hear/read/are fed.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:27 pm

Defiant wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Is it more moronic to say there is evidence for voter fraud and not call for an audit or provide evidence or to say there is evidence for voter fraud, provide it, and then fund raise for a recount?

I'm not saying there is voter fraud, but I think I mentioned this before, I don't understand why an audit isn't built in to the process. It's a pretty monumental day with a lot of room for tampering.
I don't think anyone's provided evidence of voter fraud. And yes, an audit should absolutely be part of the process.

(Edit to clarify: an audit, not voter fraud, should be part of the process.)

Agreed.

What's also troubling, regarding both this recount and the general idea of "auditing" / spot-checking election results, is that apparently Pennsylvania does not have a paper trail of the votes. So whereas in Wisconsin and Michigan you can check the machine results against the paper vote copies, in Pennsylvania you can't. So, I'm not sure what one could do in the event that there were some systematic / widespread issue with voting machines in Pennsylvania.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:28 pm

Rip wrote: Honest discussion? Don't flatter yourself. A bunch of like minded individuals slowly nodding in unison does not a discussion make.

Lately , Li'l Rip and MSDuncan aren't posting replies to you that much though.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:29 pm

Rip wrote:Honest discussion? Don't flatter yourself. A bunch of like minded individuals slowly nodding in unison does not a discussion make.

Oh stop with this conversative pile on cross bearing. Prove me wrong then - you've been challenged time and time again on your sources. And when challenged you vanish/shut up/post more garbage. Defend it with actual facts or anything approaching logic and I'll happy engage otherwise it just reinforces you are full of shit.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:31 pm

malchior wrote: you've been challenged time and time again on your sources. And when challenged you vanish/shut up/post more garbage.

Welcome to the Trump era! Enjoy the next four years (2 if he gets that Trump hotel in Dubai)!

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:33 pm

Rip wrote:
HOUSTON, TX. – November 27, 2016: True the Vote (TTV), the nation's leading voters’ rights and election integrity organization, today released a statement with respect to President-Elect Donald Trump’s claim that “millions” of individuals illegally voted in the 2016 Election.

“True the Vote absolutely supports President-elect Trump’s recent comment about the impact of illegal voting, as reflected in the national popular vote. We are still collecting data and will be for several months, but our intent is to publish a comprehensive study on the significant impact of illegal voting in all of its many forms and begin a national discussion on how voters, states, and the Trump Administration can best address this growing problem.”

True the Vote (TTV) is an IRS-designated 501(c)(3) voters’ rights organization, founded to inspire and equip voters for involvement at every stage of our electoral process. TTV empowers organizations and individuals across the nation to actively protect the rights of legitimate voters, regardless of their political party affiliation. For more information, please visit

You can't actually believe this nonsense, can you?

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:37 pm

They have a really professional looking web site, so yes...yes he can.

Fireball · Post by **Fireball** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:43 pm

malchior wrote:
Rip wrote:Honest discussion? Don't flatter yourself. A bunch of like minded individuals slowly nodding in unison does not a discussion make.
Oh stop with this conversative pile on cross bearing. Prove me wrong then - you've been challenged time and time again on your sources. And when challenged you vanish/shut up/post more garbage. Defend it with actual facts or anything approaching logic and I'll happy engage otherwise it just reinforces you are full of shit.

There is no point in engaging this person. He is vacuous black hole of awful. Added him to my Foe list.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:56 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Rip wrote:
HOUSTON, TX. – November 27, 2016: True the Vote (TTV), the nation's leading voters’ rights and election integrity organization, today released a statement with respect to President-Elect Donald Trump’s claim that “millions” of individuals illegally voted in the 2016 Election.

“True the Vote absolutely supports President-elect Trump’s recent comment about the impact of illegal voting, as reflected in the national popular vote. We are still collecting data and will be for several months, but our intent is to publish a comprehensive study on the significant impact of illegal voting in all of its many forms and begin a national discussion on how voters, states, and the Trump Administration can best address this growing problem.”

True the Vote (TTV) is an IRS-designated 501(c)(3) voters’ rights organization, founded to inspire and equip voters for involvement at every stage of our electoral process. TTV empowers organizations and individuals across the nation to actively protect the rights of legitimate voters, regardless of their political party affiliation. For more information, please visit
You can't actually believe this nonsense, can you?

Excuse me, but it says right there that True the Vote is "the nation's leading voters’ rights and election integrity organization". They couldn't say that if it weren't true, and this is obviously a very legitimate organization.