The Former Trump Presidency Thread

[malchior]

Yeah it is pointless, cruel, and even the party knows it. It puts an exclamation point on his racist policies. It will likely weaken the GOP if they can't fix it so I'm down with that.

[hepcat]

Surprised you guys aren't rumbling more about DACA.

I guess the dead dog protocol is more effective than I realized.

this post doesn't mention Hillary at all. what's up? you feeling okay?

[Holman]

Oh, I'm rumbling about DACA, just not here.

It's probably the cruelest, most vindictive thing he's done yet. Probably to be topped within a few months.

It's also utterly cynical. He's attacking DACA to earn cred with his racist base while fully expecting Congress to make actual action on DACA impossible.

He's idiot enough to think this leaves his hands clean.

[Chaz]

Further than that, if Congress does manage to finally do something legislatively, then Trump gets to turn around and say, "I wanted this the whole time! I knew Congress wouldn't act unless I did something drastic, so I rescinded it to force them to move! I'm so happy!"

Of course, if he actually wanted something to happen, he'd be proposing a concrete legislative action. Instead, he's doing this and yelling about building a wall.

[Combustible Lemur]

Further than that, if Congress does manage to finally do something legislatively, then Trump gets to turn around and say, "I wanted this the whole time! I knew Congress wouldn't act unless I did something drastic, so I rescinded it to force them to move! I'm so happy!"

Of course, if he actually wanted something to happen, he'd be proposing a concrete legislative action. Instead, he's doing this and yelling about building a wall.

In fairness, if this is true, it is EXACTLY what the middle fringe of his constituency. hired him for. They knew he was a shitty human, but they bought into the idea that shitty humans make great business men and great leaders particularly when they are not politicians. Scary dad authoritarianism and all that. Don't be shocked if Congress fixes this and his ratings go up.

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[Chaz]

If that's what he's doing, and I'm super not convinced he's that strategically deep, it's massively shitty to play legislative chicken with almost a million lives.

[Combustible Lemur]

If that's what he's doing, and I'm super not convinced he's that strategically deep, it's massively shitty to play legislative chicken with almost a million lives.

I'm not sure it's strategic so much as sales 101. He's not looking at the long game just you threaten the customer with something shitty and shift the responsibility to your boss/coworker, relying on the fact that they are not as shitty as you are.
Yeah it's shitty, that the whole point.
I've worked in sales, this is basic stuff.

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[hepcat]

For the Mangerine the presidency is a popularity contest first and last. His entire life has been about trying to impress as many people as he can in order to maintain his dangerously fragile sense of self worth. This is no different. He'll try to figure out a way to appease his fan base, while also trying to say "It wasn't me!" to those on the opposite side.

It's going to become more and more difficult to pull this shit though as time goes on though. He's eventually going to burn every bridge he's crossed, and then we can hopefully run his ass out of Washington and get an adult to take over.

[Captain Caveman]

DACA being "rescinded". Just announced by Sessions.

These people are hollow husks, completely cruel and inhumane. The pain and fear this will inflict is incalculable. And to what end? These are not "bad hombres"... they are indistinguishably American from others in the country except for legal status. They've lived here for decades.

I'm a college professor at a minority-majority Texas University and I undoubtedly have students in my classes affected by this.

[malchior]

The Sessions presser raised some bizarre questions. He is calling the program unconstitutional and risks legal action...yet it has been out there 5 years without any legal action. Suddenly there is a cabal of conservative AGs threatening to sue. Gee I wonder why? He then says that they'll keep renewing permits for the next 6 months. Didn't you just say it was illegal? This is a very flimsy sham but it isn't a surprise since it is a popular program and they needed at least a little cover for this latest bit of racist nonsense.

[Octavious]

What a wussy sack of shit. Sends Sessions out there and puts a pointless tweet out. Every week he's crushing someone's groups dreams. And his base loves it. Fn sick group of people.

[hepcat]

Obama put it in place. Obama insulted Trump's dangerously fragile sense of self worth a few times over the years. Hence anything with the Obama name attached to it has to be deleted from history while his Orangeness is in office.

However, the Mangerine's dangerously fragile sense of self worth still wants those poor kids to love him, so he's going to blame everyone else for its demise.

3 1/2 more years of this to go, folks.

[Rip]

If they want it just pass legislation, you know like it was intended to work.

Best move would be to tie in border wall funding.

Compromise......

[Captain Caveman]

Sessions claimed DACA led to an influx of immigrants at the border. DACA only applied to those here in 2007 or before. He then claimed DACA recipients are taking jobs from U.S. citizens. No evidence is given to support that claim.

Further, the claim that this is about "the rule of law" is such obvious tripe for many reasons, just one being that Trump just recently pardoned Sheriff Joe who himself repeatedly broke the rule of law... but of course his law breaking harmed brown people so I guess it's forgivable.

[Max Peck]

If they want it just pass legislation, you know like it was intended to work.

Best move would be to tie in border wall funding.

Compromise......

I see that Trump isn't the only one that gets his talking points from Fox and Friends...

On the assumption that Trump was watching — and he often is — “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday offered the president advice for his impending decision on the Obama-era program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, which extends deportation reprieves to undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children.

“I have an idea,” co-host Brian Kilmeade said during a segment with Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano. “Let's build the wall and let the dreamers stay. Isn't that called compromise?”

“Dreamers” is a nickname for DACA recipients and “the wall” is, of course, the barrier Trump has promised to erect along the border with Mexico.

“Yes, that is compromise,” Napolitano replied.

Then Abby Huntsman, filling in for Ainsley Earhardt, chimed in. “That might be what the president was thinking all along, though,” she said. “Maybe it could be a bargaining chip in some way.”

At that point, Napolitano turned to face the camera and addressed Trump directly. “Mr. President, not a bad idea,” he said.

[Captain Caveman]

Give me this racist thing and I'll not do this other racist thing. Compromise.

[Rip]

Give me this racist thing and I'll not do this other racist thing. Compromise.

So now enforcing the law is racist.....

[Octavious]

On the bright side maybe this distracts them from trying to repeal healthcare again.

[Captain Caveman]

Give me this racist thing and I'll not do this other racist thing. Compromise.

So now enforcing the law is racist.....

It is when selectively applied (cough Arapaio cough) and supported by BS racist claims... like Dreamers being tied to gang violence (see Trump's just released statement).

[Isgrimnur]

Very much depends on the law, now doesn't it?

[hepcat]

it's the red wheelbarrow of the Trump administration...

[Skinypupy]

Give me this racist thing and I'll not do this other racist thing. Compromise.

So now enforcing the law is racist.....

Oh, is enforcing the law a thing we're concerned about now?

Give it a day or so, it'll pass.

[malchior]

I like that this is about enforcement of the law all of a sudden. Call me when the GOP funds enforcement of tax law on the wealthy consistently instead of intentionally under funding it. It is racism. He ran on a racist platform. He has said racist things. It is blatant. They can try to paint it as law and order all they want but it is bullshit.

[hepcat]

Give me this racist thing and I'll not do this other racist thing. Compromise.

So now enforcing the law is racist.....

It can be, yes. What's your point?

[Rip]

I like that this is about enforcement of the law all of a sudden. Call me when the GOP funds enforcement of tax law on the wealthy consistently instead of intentionally under funding it. It is racism. He ran on a racist platform. He has said racist things. It is blatant. They can try to paint it as law and order all they want but it is bullshit.

So is the SCOTUS racist as well?

They did shoot down DAPA and DACA expansion.

[malchior]

I like that this is about enforcement of the law all of a sudden. Call me when the GOP funds enforcement of tax law on the wealthy consistently instead of intentionally under funding it. It is racism. He ran on a racist platform. He has said racist things. It is blatant. They can try to paint it as law and order all they want but it is bullshit.

So is the SCOTUS racist as well?

They did shoot down DAPA and DACA expansion.

Not doing this goalpost dance again. Try again.

[Rip]

I like that this is about enforcement of the law all of a sudden. Call me when the GOP funds enforcement of tax law on the wealthy consistently instead of intentionally under funding it. It is racism. He ran on a racist platform. He has said racist things. It is blatant. They can try to paint it as law and order all they want but it is bullshit.

So is the SCOTUS racist as well?

They did shoot down DAPA and DACA expansion.

Not doing this goalpost dance again. Try again.

Calling everything you don't like racist is the ultimate moving of goalposts.

[hepcat]

Ultimate doesn't mean what you think it means...

Anyway, let me sum up your reply for those just joining us:

I know you are, but what am I?

[Smoove_B]

I'm a college professor at a minority-majority Texas University and I undoubtedly have students in my classes affected by this.

My employer just sent out an email to everyone regarding DACA and what can be done if we'd like to personally help. As such, we were given a link to follow that automatically generates a letter that will be mailed to our government representatives. While I know that phone calls are the preference, I'm hoping when they get flooded with mail and email it will help reinforce how gross this is.

My only hope for all this is that we're seeing the death throes of a dying administration, and the cruel actions taken by an individual that knows his days are numbered. I can only imagine what the history books will say about the America we've been living in since January. It's absolutely shameful.

[Scoop20906]

I'll be happy to see what legislation Congress is able to come up with.

It's hard not to be cynical when all this is a political football for Donny to use to try to get his wall. People don't matter to him.

This is going to fail utterly as well.


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[YellowKing]

Cruel? I'd say this is compassionate racism. He's giving them six months, which is six months more than those bad hombres deserve!

[Captain Caveman]

I'll be happy to see what legislation Congress is able to come up with.

It's hard not to be cynical when all this is a political football for Donny to use to try to get his wall. People don't matter to him.

This is going to fail utterly as well.

The GOP controls both houses and couldn't repeal Obamacare, so realistically chances they get something done on this are slim to none. And honestly, that's probably the basis of Trump's play here. He's a coward looking to skirt the blame.

[El Guapo]

I'll be happy to see what legislation Congress is able to come up with.

It's hard not to be cynical when all this is a political football for Donny to use to try to get his wall. People don't matter to him.

This is going to fail utterly as well.

The GOP controls both houses and couldn't repeal Obamacare, so realistically chances they get something done on this are slim to none. And honestly, that's probably the basis of Trump's play here. He's a coward looking to skirt the blame.

Well, there is a key difference here, insofar as Obamacare repeal is unpopular (and the particular GOP repeal bills are *really* unpopular), whereas protecting dreamers is (notwithstanding the immigration climate generally) pretty popular. Of course, immigration is a big bugaboo of the GOP (and Trumpist) base), but it's at least possible that a DACA protection bill could get 13 Republican + all democratic votes in the House, and 2 - 3 Senators + all democratic senators in the Senate.

One trick being that there would have to be something in the bill beyond just DACA preservation (presumably something horrible) in order for Trump to be able to call it a victory and sign the bill. Wall funding could do it - the question is whether that would need to be actual funding for a genuine full border wall, or whether they could fund like a 10 foot extension of what's in Texas already and call that a victory.

[Scoop20906]

And his influence is only diminishing by the day as he seeks incessantly to be in every minute of the news cycle.

He is already a lame duck and will be for the remainder of his term.

The act is getting old but the hard feelings being generated will last for decades to come.

I'm so happy Donny is forcing us to pick sides because it lets me truly see who people are and how to handle them accordingly.


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[Scoop20906]

I'll be happy to see what legislation Congress is able to come up with.

It's hard not to be cynical when all this is a political football for Donny to use to try to get his wall. People don't matter to him.

This is going to fail utterly as well.

The GOP controls both houses and couldn't repeal Obamacare, so realistically chances they get something done on this are slim to none. And honestly, that's probably the basis of Trump's play here. He's a coward looking to skirt the blame.

Well, there is a key difference here, insofar as Obamacare repeal is unpopular (and the particular GOP repeal bills are *really* unpopular), whereas protecting dreamers is (notwithstanding the immigration climate generally) pretty popular. Of course, immigration is a big bugaboo of the GOP (and Trumpist) base), but it's at least possible that a DACA protection bill could get 13 Republican + all democratic votes in the House, and 2 - 3 Senators + all democratic senators in the Senate.

One trick being that there would have to be something in the bill beyond just DACA preservation (presumably something horrible) in order for Trump to be able to call it a victory and sign the bill. Wall funding could do it - the question is whether that would need to be actual funding for a genuine full border wall, or whether they could fund like a 10 foot extension of what's in Texas already and call that a victory.

I would not blame the democrats for blocking that "victory". The wall should never get funded. Ever.


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[Captain Caveman]

I'll be happy to see what legislation Congress is able to come up with.

It's hard not to be cynical when all this is a political football for Donny to use to try to get his wall. People don't matter to him.

This is going to fail utterly as well.

The GOP controls both houses and couldn't repeal Obamacare, so realistically chances they get something done on this are slim to none. And honestly, that's probably the basis of Trump's play here. He's a coward looking to skirt the blame.

Well, there is a key difference here, insofar as Obamacare repeal is unpopular (and the particular GOP repeal bills are *really* unpopular), whereas protecting dreamers is (notwithstanding the immigration climate generally) pretty popular. Of course, immigration is a big bugaboo of the GOP (and Trumpist) base), but it's at least possible that a DACA protection bill could get 13 Republican + all democratic votes in the House, and 2 - 3 Senators + all democratic senators in the Senate.

One trick being that there would have to be something in the bill beyond just DACA preservation (presumably something horrible) in order for Trump to be able to call it a victory and sign the bill. Wall funding could do it - the question is whether that would need to be actual funding for a genuine full border wall, or whether they could fund like a 10 foot extension of what's in Texas already and call that a victory.

To pass using primarily Democratic votes would require Ryan and McConnell bringing up the bill against the wishes of most in his party and the base would eat them alive. It's not going to happen. The Trump administration has to know the odds are scant that any legislation reaches Trump's desk, so this isn't about improving policy or fixing a problems with DACA but about Trump wanting to seem tough on immigration for his base while at the same time having someone else to blame for the blowback.

[Captain Caveman]

Obama enters the fray on DACA. Here's his statement.

[hepcat]

I fully expect Trump to issue an enraged tweet in response to Obama's thoughtful rumination in which he misspells the word "and", claims that immigrants love him and overwhelmingly support any plan to deport their children, and that he invented tartar sauce.

[YellowKing]

It's particularly galling that this repeal is being portrayed as simply rescinding an overstepping of Presidential authority on immigration.............by a President who routinely oversteps Presidential authority on immigration.

[coopasonic]

Obama enters the fray on DACA. Here's his statement.

Loser couldn't even say it in 140 characters.