Half? Where did you get half?hepcat wrote:Excellent catch, ydejin! That would certainly explain the scene in question.
Cripes, Jeff. Do you REALLY need to post your fan fiction in any thread that even mentions Star Trek? I still remember that series of episodes you wrote that featured a young, good looking ensign named Jeff Vee. In every episode he would end up wrestling someone while half naked.Jeff V wrote:Spock took a lot of sordid secrets to the grave. One in particular may never be fully explored:
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It was halflings visiting the Gorn pleasure planet. I can see your confusion.hepcat wrote:I think my mind, in an attempt to withdraw from the horrors at hand, added pants to the scene.
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I never thought I'd see "Gorn" alongside the word "pleasure".
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Haven't watched past ep 1 yet, so I'll just drop some knowledge on y'all from the latest episode. Ever wonder why in TNG et al, the computers always used symbols and gobbledygook rather than code?
Apparently it's so that people don't notice that Starfleet computers still run Windows, and Stuxnet, no less.
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And I suppose you thought the Klingons had the final word in violent foreplay?hepcat wrote:I never thought I'd see "Gorn" alongside the word "pleasure".
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See Robot Chicken, Kirk Gets Space Herpes, for the visual version.hepcat wrote:I never thought I'd see "Gorn" alongside the word "pleasure".
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I watched Ep4, and I was like... wait a minute...
The parts of the main saucer actually counter-rotates?!?!?!!!!!!!!! WTF does that do?
I rather like the idea that they are continuing to explore the Klingon arc, but it's starting to feel like a soap opera... a little here, a little there.
The final explosion doesn't make that much sense. I guess we're supposed to assume...
The parts of the main saucer actually counter-rotates?!?!?!!!!!!!!! WTF does that do?
I rather like the idea that they are continuing to explore the Klingon arc, but it's starting to feel like a soap opera... a little here, a little there.
The final explosion doesn't make that much sense. I guess we're supposed to assume...
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Not a fan of the spore drive, it just seems silly and contrived; the Klingons are getting more interesting...but I still wish they weren't Klingons, or were at least the Klingons we've come to know over the last few decades; and apparently the writers have no qualms with killing off non-red shirts, this should be interesting. I like the look into the militaristic side of the Feds overall. We knew they had to exist, especially during the Klingon/Federation war.
What I want to see is the quick resolution of that stupid spore drive storyline, more background on Michael's life on Vulcan, the reveal of who/what Lorca really is (he's definitely got a past...and a dark one at that), and for Cadet Tilly to discover accutane.
What I want to see is the quick resolution of that stupid spore drive storyline, more background on Michael's life on Vulcan, the reveal of who/what Lorca really is (he's definitely got a past...and a dark one at that), and for Cadet Tilly to discover accutane.
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Oh, the spore drive arc is gonna end pretty quickly, even as we see the next episode's teaser.
Speaking of which, is that Mudd we see in the teaser?
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That was EXACTLY what I was thinking when I saw that.
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Yep, agreed on all points. Actually, as far as the Klingons go, I'm still not comfortable with them and the changes they made. The thing is, being that they're boring Klingons, makes me care less for what happens to them, which is pretty bad for what are supposed to be main antagonists. I blame that partly on the technical issues, and the writing. Now, I know you said you thought it was a stylistic choice, but good actors should be able to disappear into the roles they play, but the prosthetics hamper their acting abilities, which in turn makes it difficult for me and others to connect with them. They could have found a better way to achieve similar results without hampering them. And the writing for their arc is just not very good. They still feel like a generic sci-fi trope.
I really wish they wouldn't focus so much on Burnham. It has the effect of not making the rest of the cast feel equal. There are still a lot of people on the crew that are on the bridge that we have no idea about, like say, that officer on the bridge that looks like a possible Borg ala Seven? What the heck is up with that?
But I have to say, that finally this episode has the crew feeling like an actual crew, and it actually made me smile at times. But it took 4 episodes to get to this point, which is too long. In fact, taking this long for Burnham to become part of the crew feels like they've dragged it out too much.
Apparently the 3rd episode was supposed to be a second pilot, but I wouldn't have made it one, given the tone that the episode has. I mean, if their intention is to drive people away, then sure. But Episode 4 actually feels more like it could have been a pilot.
But yeah, the Spore drive thing. It's like the writers were struggling to come up with something that would evoke wonder and came up with this, which really does feel contrived. It also sticks out more knowing TOS is 10 years around the corner. This whole series actually feels full of contrivances, and if you look past that, the series is really kind of shallow.
Yes, we need to know more of Burnham's past. Definitely agree there. In fact, it's frustrating that for a supposedly character-driven show, that the characters are paper-thin. And again, I feel that's partly due to the lack of it being an ensemble cast. If it were, we'd also be learning about the others as much as we're learning about her.
They want to focus on her as a character who's not a Captain, but rather an officer. Which is fine seeing a Lowerdecks scenario would have been fun. But they could have also introduced other officers at her level to offer her more interaction and character development while following them around also.
I really wish they wouldn't focus so much on Burnham. It has the effect of not making the rest of the cast feel equal. There are still a lot of people on the crew that are on the bridge that we have no idea about, like say, that officer on the bridge that looks like a possible Borg ala Seven? What the heck is up with that?
But I have to say, that finally this episode has the crew feeling like an actual crew, and it actually made me smile at times. But it took 4 episodes to get to this point, which is too long. In fact, taking this long for Burnham to become part of the crew feels like they've dragged it out too much.
Apparently the 3rd episode was supposed to be a second pilot, but I wouldn't have made it one, given the tone that the episode has. I mean, if their intention is to drive people away, then sure. But Episode 4 actually feels more like it could have been a pilot.
But yeah, the Spore drive thing. It's like the writers were struggling to come up with something that would evoke wonder and came up with this, which really does feel contrived. It also sticks out more knowing TOS is 10 years around the corner. This whole series actually feels full of contrivances, and if you look past that, the series is really kind of shallow.
Yes, we need to know more of Burnham's past. Definitely agree there. In fact, it's frustrating that for a supposedly character-driven show, that the characters are paper-thin. And again, I feel that's partly due to the lack of it being an ensemble cast. If it were, we'd also be learning about the others as much as we're learning about her.
They want to focus on her as a character who's not a Captain, but rather an officer. Which is fine seeing a Lowerdecks scenario would have been fun. But they could have also introduced other officers at her level to offer her more interaction and character development while following them around also.
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Yep, that seems to be the case.Little Raven wrote:I suspect she's about to be recruited into Section 31. Or something of that nature.McNutt wrote:I have no idea how the first officer is going to still have a career. No matter what she does after this, she still attempted a mutiny. Unforgivable.
It kind of interesting, and fresh, to make the show about the utilitarian behind-the-scenes shadow organisation who does all the immoral stuff that "needs to be done"... I guess Trek purists resent the fact that the protagonist and crew are basically villains who take a "greater good" approach to ethics, but it makes for a good base to comment on current events. Which all strong Trek shows and movies have tried to do, IMO.
One of the weaknesses of the show Enterprise, and even Voyager, was that it didn't really do this. It was just the same old Trek, with no new ideas. While Voyager had some strong episodes, the concept started to show its age.
I'm not sure a modern Trek needs to be super-gritty or anything, but it needs a new idea. This might be the thing that Trek needs to survive as a franchise.
Isn't there even a link between Section 31 and the time-cop-organisation that shows up in the later shows (the one with Kurtwood Smith's character)? If they link them together, there's an opportunity to mess around with the whole Kelvin timeline (JJ Abrahms-verse) and the concept of time-travel as a theme for the show. Which would be neat, since that's a huge weakness in the franchise right now - nothing matters since everything can just get rebooted by time travel whenever the writers have written themselves into a corner.
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Oh, and re: the new Klingon look - it's pretty well telegraphed that these are "purist" Klingons, religious fanatics, maybe even the members of some original Klingon species (Aryans, sort of). If the writers are worth their salt, they will continue to explore the dramatic poles of "purity" vs "impurity" themes, for example through a storyline about the Klingon blood being diluted, perhaps through interracial marriage (giving us the TNG style Klingons). Which also brings us into the realm of social commentary about racism and nativism, as well as nihilism vs traditional values (are these Klingons even the bad guys? Because it seems to me the Discovery crew aren't the good guys).
The Trek universe already allows for inter-species hybrids (Spock!), so to think of these new Klingons as merely one subset of the Klingon species make perfect sense to me.
The Trek universe already allows for inter-species hybrids (Spock!), so to think of these new Klingons as merely one subset of the Klingon species make perfect sense to me.
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I mentioned that earlier as it was hinted at in an interview with Fuller (who left the show a while back). Let's just hope they do go with that eventually.Lagom Lite wrote:
The Trek universe already allows for inter-species hybrids (Spock!), so to think of these new Klingons as merely one subset of the Klingon species make perfect sense to me.
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The problem with that idea though is that the Klingon side of things has developed very slowly. We're almost already halfway through the season at this point, so unless they pull a rabbit out of their hat, I doubt anything like that will happen. I also don't think the writers have been clever enough so far to be able to pull it off.
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I wasn't aware that Discovery was getting an 86 percent from critics on Rotten Tomatoes. Although it is getting a lower 60 percent from audiences.
I'd probably give it a 70 percent right now.
I'd probably give it a 70 percent right now.
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Wasn't there that time travelling episode of Deep Space 9 where they were in the tribble episode of TOS and they were asking Worf how come the Klingons look like that and he said he didn't want to talk about it. I'm expecting something like that
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They went even further in an episode of Enterprise.
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Shhhh, they don't like talking about it with outsiders!
Anyway, apparently all this is going to throw that out the window.
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I am more interested in how much of John M Ford's "The Final Reflection" (novel about Klingons before TNG came along) will be canonized, as "Black Fleet" already is.
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An awful lot of that is salt from people who are unhappy with having to pay to watch Star Trek. There’s also a bit of salt from Trump supporters who aren’t very happy about the very obvious equivalency of “Make Kronos Great Again”. (I’m not to thrilled about the Klingons either, but not because of the Trump connection.). Probably 50% of the people complaining haven’t even seen the show and Rotten Tomatoes has no way to check.hepcat wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:29 pm I wasn't aware that Discovery was getting an 86 percent from critics on Rotten Tomatoes. Although it is getting a lower 60 percent from audiences.
I’d give it something in the low 80s. I’m not happy with the lack of optimistic tone (although the show runners keep claiming we’re going to get there). And I like my Starfleet officers to get along and support each other. However, I love have a connected storyline that builds on itself, and while I have quibbles about some of the story elements, compared to TNG Season 1 (which was chock full of awful episodes) Discovery S1 is pretty amazing.I'd probably give it a 70 percent right now.
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I'm waiting for the first part of the season to complete and then I will get CBS all access and binge watch and then stop the service after a month.
However, can you people tell me if CBS all access is like Hulu and keeps all the old shows available for viewing?
Just went to the web site and I see they have episodes 2, 3 and 4 available for viewing. I hope they don't just put up the last three episodes (ala free Hulu) or I will have to wait for the season to appear on DVD.
However, can you people tell me if CBS all access is like Hulu and keeps all the old shows available for viewing?
Just went to the web site and I see they have episodes 2, 3 and 4 available for viewing. I hope they don't just put up the last three episodes (ala free Hulu) or I will have to wait for the season to appear on DVD.
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Okaaaaaaay, what the HELL was that? I think this show just jumped the shark. Stemmets injecting himself with Tardigrade DNA? Are you kidding me? That's the lamest bit of writing I've ever seen in a Trek show. I cannot take this show seriously anymore. It wants to be grown-up Trek, yet it can't even make some half-decent science-fiction. On top of that, I feel the show is too violent for Trek (Seriously, there have been more brawls than phaser fights so far), and because of the focus on Burnham, it seems at every turn, they blame her for everything going wrong. And any conversations with the crew feel so one-sided, ie she's a mutineer, so she's obviously immediately wrong on all counts when giving advice and observations. Yay for teamwork! And LOL at the two F-bombs. It seemed to try hard to be cool, but that was just... lame. And for those not watching, yes, they did actually drop them.
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I had the opposite feeling. This episode is about sacrifice, and the dream sequence at the beginning was EXACTLY the foreshadow what Stamets will do to resolve the situation, and since Burnham wasn't in engineering, and Stamets is the kind of egotistical maniac that'd do it, it's the LOGICAL choice.
I just find it stupid to have the captain and the rest rush into Aux Bay One instead of initiating transport to sickbay. We know they can beam the tardigrade into the chamber, so they can beam him out.
Oh, about the combat... I like the way the disruptor bolts have a bit of a spread to them, and the corona flash broiled the face. Though I think the way the just keep jumping out the alcoves to surprise the folks was just being stupid. Personally, I'd start dual-wielding and do John Woo gun-fu.
The treknologist in me have a slight problem with the designation. I'd thought 10 years before TOS, they'd be on D5 or D6, not D7, esp. when D7 is supposed to be a match to the later Constitution-class, right? But hey, they write the canon, not me.
As for whether Burnham is wrong or not... I personally think they covered that arc pretty well. Saru is trying to channel ruthlessness, and he's overcompensating.
The ending development was somewhat of a surprise. I wonder if we'll see that again, if it can do that sort of thing? And what are the long-term implications? Are they going to ask for a volunteer every time? Or will they treknobabble their way out of the next one?
I just find it stupid to have the captain and the rest rush into Aux Bay One instead of initiating transport to sickbay. We know they can beam the tardigrade into the chamber, so they can beam him out.
Oh, about the combat... I like the way the disruptor bolts have a bit of a spread to them, and the corona flash broiled the face. Though I think the way the just keep jumping out the alcoves to surprise the folks was just being stupid. Personally, I'd start dual-wielding and do John Woo gun-fu.
The treknologist in me have a slight problem with the designation. I'd thought 10 years before TOS, they'd be on D5 or D6, not D7, esp. when D7 is supposed to be a match to the later Constitution-class, right? But hey, they write the canon, not me.
As for whether Burnham is wrong or not... I personally think they covered that arc pretty well. Saru is trying to channel ruthlessness, and he's overcompensating.
The ending development was somewhat of a surprise. I wonder if we'll see that again, if it can do that sort of thing? And what are the long-term implications? Are they going to ask for a volunteer every time? Or will they treknobabble their way out of the next one?
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Kasey Chang wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:21 am As for whether Burnham is wrong or not... I personally think they covered that arc pretty well. Saru is trying to channel ruthlessness, and he's overcompensating.
Oh, I know. But let me put it this way. My reaction is partly due to the way it was built up over the past few episodes. For me, the conclusions weren't satisfying, but rather instead showed the flaws in the way the writers were thinking and the way they've structured the show with Burnham as main character. And it wasn't just Saru as well, but Stammetts too. If there was something wrong, they'd blame it on her. The conclusions had the effect of it all coming crashing down. I just had such a visceral reaction to this episode because of a number of things that rubbed me the wrong way.
It might have been, but that still doesn't dispute the fact that it was weak writing. There was just too much it and it all came to a boil.I had the opposite feeling. This episode is about sacrifice, and the dream sequence at the beginning was EXACTLY the foreshadow what Stamets will do to resolve the situation, and since Burnham wasn't in engineering, and Stamets is the kind of egotistical maniac that'd do it, it's the LOGICAL choice.
Yes.
No, actually it was actually an unusual moment of levity in the series where they exclaimed how cool science was. Tilly was the first to say it, then apologized, then Stammets reaffirmed her. "No, you're right, science is fucking cool". On any other day, I'd welcome that, but here it just felt out of place being that it's Trek, and it ended up feeling rather forced.
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Are we in agreement that this MAY be a Star Trek show, but there is no way this is a prequel to TOS?
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Oh you did not just change the entire look of a D-7, Discovery!?
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Ep5 is extremely divisive among fans online, some said "with this episode, Star Trek has lost its soul". I think there's a much longer arc at work.
I've also had a friend who's telling me crazy theories, some are just so ridiculous I just smile and shake my head.
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Well, it seems a common theory at a Trek board I visit seems to think that...
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If this indeed a prequel, then the conflict goes cold.with the Organians.
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Jeebus! I just realized who Shazad Latif (Ash from the last episode) is! It's Clem Fandango!
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I heard that one too. To which I throw out a horrible writing
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Some thoughts with spoilers for episodes 1 and 2 (don't know if I need to tag these at this point, but don't want to read the whole thread to figure it out and risk spoiling myself):
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I saw a commercial on late night TV. It said, "Forget everything you know about slipcovers." So I did. And it was a load off my mind. Then the commercial tried to sell me slipcovers, and I didn't know what the hell they were. -- Mitch Hedberg
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Re: [TV] New Star Trek Show in Development?
Technically, the Enterprise is 12 years old at this point in the timeline, so the Discovery is actually a newer ship.Kasey Chang wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:21 am The treknologist in me have a slight problem with the designation. I'd thought 10 years before TOS, they'd be on D5 or D6, not D7, esp. when D7 is supposed to be a match to the later Constitution-class, right? But hey, they write the canon, not me.
Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:17 am
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)