The Former Trump Presidency Thread

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:36 pm

It's like he doesn't realize that we're still running on pre-Trump budget/tax policy/etc.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:44 pm

That's only kinda true. I think the market is being fueled by tax speculation being a gift from the gods.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:57 pm

LordMortis wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:44 pm That's only kinda true. I think the market is being fueled by tax speculation being a gift from the gods.

Somewhat, sure. But the characterization by Trump is of course ridiculous. Not that that's surprising.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:10 pm

And as we all know, the market is an accurate representation of how things are for low and middle income families. Certainly has nothing to do with the knowledge that virtually all of these tax savings are going to be passed directly to shareholders instead of employees.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:50 pm

Uhhh...please don't let this be even remotely true:

The White House and CIA have been considering a package of secret proposals to allow former US intelligence officers to run privatized covert actions, intelligence gathering, and propaganda missions, according to three sources who’ve been briefed on or have direct knowledge of the proposals.

One of the proposals would involve hiring a private company, Amyntor Group, for millions of dollars to set up a large intelligence network and run counter terrorist propaganda efforts, according to the sources. Amyntor’s officials and employees include veterans of a variety of US covert operations, ranging from the Reagan-era Iran–Contra affair to more recent actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Another proposal presented to US officials would allow individuals affiliated with the company to help capture wanted terrorists on behalf of the United States. In keeping with that proposal, people close to the company are tracking two specific suspects in a Middle Eastern country, the sources said, for possible “rendition” to the United States.

tjg_marantz · Post by **tjg_marantz** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:44 pm

https://twitter.com/cnni/status/936298944958787585

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:03 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:36 pm Part of me has been expecting the next recession ever since the election. Now part of me will be cackling gleefully when it happens on his watch.

None of me will be joining you in that.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:41 pm

I want nothing but pain for his supporters, even if it takes me down with them.

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Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:48 pm

pr0ner wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:28 pm More Trump stock market narcissism this morning.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 3536573440

The Dow just broke 24,000 for the first time (another all-time Record). If the Dems had won the Presidential Election, the Market would be down 50% from these levels and Consumer Confidence, which is also at an all-time high, would be “low and glum!”
I'd love to know where he gets the idea that the stock market would be down 50% from these levels if Hillary Clinton would elected, other than his own delusion.

IMHO, the 50% corporate rate tax cut prospect is currently what's driving the Dow jump to 24k+. I think it would still be around 22k without that getting priced into investment decisions. Of course, that value has nothing to do with the economy overall, but it sure is helping the shareholders.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:59 pm

I certainly don’t want either to be the case, as I know a small part of the pain that it will bring, but it seems to be the only way that some semblance of sane leadership is going to regain control.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:06 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:I want nothing but pain for his supporters, even if it takes me down with them.

I'm sort of the same way, in the hope that it will sweep DC clean of Trump's swamp. But I'm really pessimistic. There have been too many examples of people seemingly not giving a damn what happens to them due to bad government policy. "I lost my healthcare and my job? Oh well, I guess that's just the cost of living in America. At least we don't have Hillary exposing national secrets through her private email server!"

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:06 am

RunningMn9 wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:41 pm I want nothing but pain for his supporters, even if it takes me down with them.

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It will. Its going to take down 99% of us.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:14 am

It’s unfortunate, but as long as his supporters suffer, I will endure.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:46 am

Trump has been riding on the successes of the Obama years. It's going to end. And sooner than that dipshit thinks. The inevitable finger pointing and scapegoating that's going to happen when that day comes will be monumental. There's zero chance that this idiot has even the smallest amount of leadership capability in him to own up to any faults and try to fix them. It will be firing after firing after firing, and hourly tweets about his enemies being to blame.

At some point, the Trump supporters will either have to admit they support him because they are actually racist shits, or wake up and realize he's a child who will destroy the last shred of dignity the office of POTUS holds.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:07 am

RunningMn9 wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:14 am It’s unfortunate, but as long as his supporters suffer, I will endure.

So you have your fallout shelter built and stocked?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:16 am

hepcat wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:46 amAt some point, the Trump supporters will either have to admit they support him because they are actually racist shits, or wake up and realize he's a child who will destroy the last shred of dignity the office of POTUS holds.

I don't think either is very likely. They are in an information black hole. How do you de-program millions of people?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:34 am

hepcat wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:46 am he's a child who will destroy the last shred of dignity the office of POTUS holds.

will?

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:36 am

Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:36 pm Part of me has been expecting the next recession ever since the election. Now part of me will be cackling gleefully when it happens on his watch.

It's my hope that it hits before he leaves office. The populace is too collectively stupid to not blame the next office holder if it waits until then.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:53 am

Blackhawk wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:36 am
Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:36 pm Part of me has been expecting the next recession ever since the election. Now part of me will be cackling gleefully when it happens on his watch.
It's my hope that it hits before he leaves office. The populace is too collectively stupid to not blame the next office holder if it waits until then.

Very very true.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:05 pm

There are still people that blame Obama for the last recession.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:20 pm

Remus West wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:53 am
Blackhawk wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:36 am
Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:36 pm Part of me has been expecting the next recession ever since the election. Now part of me will be cackling gleefully when it happens on his watch.
It's my hope that it hits before he leaves office. The populace is too collectively stupid to not blame the next office holder if it waits until then.
Very very true.

Very.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:31 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:05 pm There are still people that blame Obama for the last recession.

And most of them will continue to blame Obama, regardless of what Trump does or doesn't do.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:13 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:05 pm There are still people that blame Obama for the last recession.

And they're the same people who credit Trump with the recovery.

tjg_marantz · Post by **tjg_marantz** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:23 pm

https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/ ... 3403096064

tjg_marantz · Post by **tjg_marantz** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:47 am

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 1684598784

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:59 am

The problem with being a pathological liar is that it gets *really* tough to make people believe you when you REALLY need them to believe you. Have fun watching your Presidency crumble around you as your family, friends, and associates are carted off to prison you loathsome orange fuck.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:43 am

Remember when you were a kid and you told mom one lie, then it spun into another to cover the first, then it needed into a third, and then a fourth...and by the time you were done, you told so many lies that you literally couldn’t keep any of them straight and got totally busted as a result?

This feels just like that, except with the supposed leader of the free world.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:45 am

Skinypupy wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:43 am Remember when you were a kid and you told mom one lie, then it spun into another to cover the first, then it needed into a third, and then a fourth...and by the time you were done, you told so many lies that you literally couldn’t keep any of them straight and got totally busted as a result?

This feels just like that, except with the supposed leader of the free world.

Yes - and he is the kid who does it all the time so you absolutely can't trust him. Unfortunately he also has his finger on the button that can end the world so you have to pretend to respect him somewhat.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:51 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:43 am Remember when you were a kid and you told mom one lie, then it spun into another to cover the first, then it needed into a third, and then a fourth...and by the time you were done, you told so many lies that you literally couldn’t keep any of them straight and got totally busted as a result?

This feels just like that, except with the supposed leader of the free world.

Wait, what? Angela Merkel has been caught lying?

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:59 pm

“supposed” being the key word here.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:29 pm

That is funny when you consider Merkel is struggling even getting a coalition to run her own country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... coalition/

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:33 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:59 pm “supposed” being the key word here.

There are people that don't suppose that Merkel is the current leader of the free world? How quaint...

tjg_marantz · Post by **tjg_marantz** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:28 am

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 4338063361

Party over country.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:30 am

Yup - It has pretty much gotten to my way or the highway.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:18 am

Well considering his stellar track record on endorsing people, I consider this a win for Jones.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:22 am

Even scarier - 71% of Alabama Republicans believe the Moore accusations were made up and perpetuated by the Democrats/media.

I just don't get the complete lack of critical thinking in this country. To believe this is a conspiracy you have to believe:

1. Multiple separate women had to be coerced into going public with embarrassing allegations, putting their reputations on the line on the national stage.

2. Multiple third party folks such as former police officers had to be persuaded to go public supporting the allegations of Moore's shady reputation.

3. These people put all this on the line to give a Democratic challenger a small chance to win the Senate in historically ultra-conservative Alabama.

Seriously?

The problem isn't that these people are stupid. Deep down they know Moore is a pervert. But their self-denial abilities are through the roof.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:31 am

You End Up Believing What You Want to Believe

Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds

You're not going to believe what I'm about to tell you - The Oatmeal

Etc.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:33 am

It is possibly part stupid and part fantasy thinking. I just started reading Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire: A 500-Year History. Some critics claim he did a remarkable job tying together an argument that there is an underlying American pathos at play. It has been a good read so far and is potentially pretty fascinating. Yet also a little depressing since--as far as I understand it based on a partial reading--it implies this condition is hard-wired.

Edit: Also the above.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:35 am

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:37 am

Axios

John Dowd, President Trump's outside lawyer, outlined to me a new and highly controversial defense/theory in the Russia probe: A president cannot be guilty of obstruction of justice.

The "President cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under [the Constitution's Article II] and has every right to express his view of any case," Dowd claims.

Dowd says he drafted this weekend's Trump tweet that many thought strengthened the case for obstruction: The tweet suggested Trump knew Flynn had lied to the FBI when he was fired, raising new questions about the later firing of FBI Director James Comey.
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Remember: The Articles of Impeachment against Nixon began by saying he "obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice."