Harvey Weinstein (and assorted horrible people)... RIP career.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:22 pm

"Bob Bowman, long considered one of the most influential executives in media and sports, was pushed out by Major League Baseball after allegations related to his workplace conduct"

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:05 am

Isgrimnur wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:57 am
Isgrimnur wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:17 pm Danny Masterson

Last week, The Daily Beast published a statement from Chrissie Carnell Bixler, one of at least four women who is accusing the actor Danny Masterson of rape.

Fired
Danny Masterson has been written out of the Netflix series “The Ranch” following multiple rape allegations against the actor.

Number 5

As reported by Vulture, actress Bobette Riales has accused Danny Masterson of rape, making her the fifth woman to do so. Riales used to date Masterson, and she claims that he raped her “repeatedly” in a brief post on Twitter. She also said that she “stayed quiet long enough” and that she wants “to prevent this from ever happening to anyone else.” She also tagged previous Masterson accuser Chrissie Bixler, adding “I applaud her strength as well.”
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This comes a little over a month after an LAPD investigation into the rape claims against Masterson “inexplicably stalled,” with some theorizing that the Church Of Scientology—of which he is a member—has been covering for him. Netflix eventually did fire him from his streaming show The Ranch, though, with that move coming a month after the allegations resurfaced and about a day after a now-fired Netflix executive personally told one of the accusers that the streaming service didn’t believe the allegations.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:16 am

The next BIG thing in accessories for men coming Christmas 2018

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:42 am

I would think women would need those more than men. Wouldn't it be a pain for men to remember to forget to turn it on every day?

Also I've been meaning to ask you if you would remove the porn image? I find it extremely inappropriate in a thread about nonconsensual sexual contact.

It's purpose in this thread seems only to provoke.

I have no problem with the image itself, it just doesn't belong here.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:53 am

GreenGoo wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:42 am Also I've been meaning to ask you if you would remove the porn image? I find it extremely inappropriate in a thread about nonconsensual sexual contact.

I have no problem with the image itself, it just doesn't belong here.

Done, although we'll be hearing any day now about what porn actors and actresses have to do to get parts so it might belong.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:07 am

Thanks!

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:48 am

tjg_marantz wrote:TJ Miller... Come on down.

Awww, man!

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:13 pm

Did anyone have Stan Lee?

https://pagesix.com/2018/01/09/marvel-c ... arassment/

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:18 pm

I don't see Dan Harmon either.

tjg_marantz · Post by **tjg_marantz** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:24 pm

Everything is awesome!

Daveman · Post by **Daveman** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:54 pm

From past stories about Dan Harmon I'm inclined to believe that complaint.

As for Stan Lee, I'd like to hope that's just being 90+ or senility creeping in, if it's true.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:52 pm

Rip wrote:Did anyone have Stan Lee?

https://pagesix.com/2018/01/09/marvel-c ... arassment/

Can R. Crumb be far behind?

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:59 am

Daveman wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:54 pmAs for Stan Lee, I'd like to hope that's just being 90+ or senility creeping in, if it's true.

I'll second that. The article even has a quote from someone saying "It's like he's lost all his filters" so...

Stan's lawyer also says this is an attempt to extort money from Stan. He asks where the police reports and civil suits are if this is genuine, claiming there are none. His new nursing agency reports his behavior is unblemished.

I had no idea that he had been married for 69 years, or that his wife had passed away in July of last year.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:02 am

I fear we're going to see a lot of these get rich quick accusations as time goes on. It's to the point in our society that you really should just implant a camera in your head so you always have proof ready.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:21 am

hepcat wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:02 am I fear we're going to see a lot of these get rich quick accusations as time goes on. It's to the point in our society that you really should just implant a camera in your head so you always have proof ready.

We'll have to implant that camera in order to not be placed on the dangerous dog list, and replaced with one of these

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -2018.html

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:33 am

There's a difference between my being wary of those who would take advantage of this groundswell of women's rights, and your attempt to make it sound like men are simply victims in this.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:39 am

I would not doubt Stan is grabbing nurses. At that age, the body starts failing and so it's hidden behind the bravado of harrassing the nurses.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:50 am

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:20 am

Daveman wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:54 pm From past stories about Dan Harmon I'm inclined to believe that complaint.

Harmon admits it, so the only real question is what, specifically, happened. He's not saying anything specific out of respect for the victim, and she hasn't addressed specifics, either. I assume it was more than just him being an asshole boss, though, from one of her comments about Harmon trying to take the Pence-approved approach of not being alone with any women.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:56 pm

James Franco?

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:11 pm

Between starring in every film made in the last 8 years and getting 9 masters degrees, when has he had the damn time?

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:32 pm

You just have to make the time.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:43 am

No, #MeToo is not a witch hunt

I’ve been struggling with this question and my feelings about #MeToo. As a lawyer, I have a deep appreciation for due process, and there are definitely aspects of #MeToo that strike me as running too close to a trial by social media mob. Part of that uneasinesss has led me to make the very parallels between #MeToo and McCarthyism or the Salem Witch Trials that are mentioned in this article.

I’m still not entirely comfortable with #MeToo (which is not to say that I don’t think a reckoning was long overdue for men in power who abuse their position and act like creeps or worse), but this article is worth a read and has caused me to change my perspective on it.

Hyena · Post by **Hyena** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:17 pm

While I am very aware that horrible things go on in Hollywood, and hell, pretty much everywhere else, this reminds me of an episode of The Orville, where they land on a planet where the justice system is based on "likes and dislikes". If someone is caught doing something bad on a video and it goes viral, the society chimes in on his/her behavior by down/up voting. They are then forced to go on an "apology tour" of sorts, and the final outcome is determined by how sincere everyone thinks they are with yet more down/up votes. Failure resorts in basically a frontal lobotomy.

Never thought I would allude to the impact of "Star Trek with fart jokes" on our society, but there it is...

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:57 pm

Hyena wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:17 pm While I am very aware that horrible things go on in Hollywood, and hell, pretty much everywhere else, this reminds me of an episode of The Orville, where they land on a planet where the justice system is based on "likes and dislikes". If someone is caught doing something bad on a video and it goes viral, the society chimes in on his/her behavior by down/up voting. They are then forced to go on an "apology tour" of sorts, and the final outcome is determined by how sincere everyone thinks they are with yet more down/up votes. Failure resorts in basically a frontal lobotomy.

Never thought I would allude to the impact of "Star Trek with fart jokes" on our society, but there it is...

I loved that episode! And I agree, it hit on exactly the things I find disconcerting about #MeToo.

But that's not really the article's point. It looks beyond the process involved and addresses the issue about whether #MeToo is a "moral panic." I thought it did a pretty decent job at dispelling that notion.

AWS260 · Post by **AWS260** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:04 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:20 amHarmon admits it, so the only real question is what, specifically, happened. He's not saying anything specific out of respect for the victim, and she hasn't addressed specifics, either. I assume it was more than just him being an asshole boss, though, from one of her comments about Harmon trying to take the Pence-approved approach of not being alone with any women.

Harmon comes clean.

tjg_marantz · Post by **tjg_marantz** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:44 pm

AWS260 wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:04 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:20 amHarmon admits it, so the only real question is what, specifically, happened. He's not saying anything specific out of respect for the victim, and she hasn't addressed specifics, either. I assume it was more than just him being an asshole boss, though, from one of her comments about Harmon trying to take the Pence-approved approach of not being alone with any women.
Harmon comes clean.

That was a very good listen. That's why this shit needs to be called out. How it affected her and how he realizes it is something to listen to. Keep 'em coming.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:51 pm

Have we heard of any cases of people losing their jobs or reputations on the basis of false accusations? AFAIK, the closest we've come is a handful (e.g. George Takei) where the accused strenuously denies the allegations and no further evidence or testimony comes forward. It seems that these then die down and go nowhere.

I don't really think we have a witch hunt or McCarthyism unless innocent people are being harmed. So far...?

Meanwhile, a lot of world-class assholes are getting their comeuppance.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:51 pm

If she accepted his apology, it's OK for watch Rick and Morty, right?

Scuzz · Post by **Scuzz** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:03 pm

Holman wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:51 pm Have we heard of any cases of people losing their jobs or reputations on the basis of false accusations? AFAIK, the closest we've come is a handful (e.g. George Takei) where the accused strenuously denies the allegations and no further evidence or testimony comes forward. It seems that these then die down and go nowhere.

I don't really think we have a witch hunt or McCarthyism unless innocent people are being harmed. So far...?

Meanwhile, a lot of world-class assholes are getting their comeuppance.

Not to play devils advocate but in some of these cases how would you know the accused was innocent except for their denial?

And I agree, a few guys have given limited denials but in most cases once a name is out there the accusations aren't coming from one person but many.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:42 pm

Scuzz wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:03 pm
Holman wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:51 pm Have we heard of any cases of people losing their jobs or reputations on the basis of false accusations? AFAIK, the closest we've come is a handful (e.g. George Takei) where the accused strenuously denies the allegations and no further evidence or testimony comes forward. It seems that these then die down and go nowhere.

I don't really think we have a witch hunt or McCarthyism unless innocent people are being harmed. So far...?

Meanwhile, a lot of world-class assholes are getting their comeuppance.
Not to play devils advocate but in some of these cases how would you know the accused was innocent except for their denial?

And I agree, a few guys have given limited denials but in most cases once a name is out there the accusations aren't coming from one person but many.

In nearly all of the high-profile cases I can think of, the accused have issued apologies (or paid huge settlements) that amount to moral if not legal confessions. Trump is the most prominent exception, but I'm going to believe the decades of multiple accusers there.

I'm trying to think of any case where someone has been called a monster and is fighting anything but the worst particulars. Since I can't think of more than a very small number, I'd say we're nowhere remotely near a witch hunt.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:18 am

The French repay us for "Lafayette, we are here!".

Catherine Deneuve weighs in https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... neuve-says

Matrix · Post by **Matrix** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:17 am

em2nought wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:18 am The French repay us for "Lafayette, we are here!". Catherine Deneuve weighs in https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... neuve-says

Correct. If we want to kill flirting, that's one way to do it. Since it is the guy supposed to make a first move, he has to take the risk of potentially embarrassing himself, making mistake, clumsy flirting. By scaring a guy into corner, where even thinking of flirting might be not just seen as clumsy sign of interest but be seen as harassment....
Women will be approached, since guy wants to make connection, start relationship, family and its up to him to make a move. He might not know if she is single or not. If she is, she wants to be approached by higher quality pairing (and will dress to attract) , but that also means lower quality of guys (on her scale) will approach her too. If she decides what harassment is, does it make guys she doesn't want to approach her a harrasers, and not just clumsy flirts... And does it mean, she wants cake and eat it too. Since it looks like we moving in that direction.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:24 am

The #MeToo movement isn't happening because men suck at flirting. The people being called out are those who consistently abuse their position of power over others to fulfill their sexual urges. Or those that commit rape and other crimes.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:29 am

So to be clear - flirting in the form of whipping out your penis and pressuring a women to watch you masturbate is the direction we are moving away from.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:40 am

Unagi wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:29 am So to be clear - flirting in the form of whipping out your penis and pressuring a women to watch you masturbate is the direction we are moving away from.

Are you implying that's NOT an acceptable form of seduction/flirting?

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:45 am

Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:40 am
Unagi wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:29 am So to be clear - flirting in the form of whipping out your penis and pressuring a women to watch you masturbate is the direction we are moving away from.
Are you implying that's NOT an acceptable form of seduction/flirting?

For everyone but Louis CK, this is unacceptable.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:50 am

If that is how you flirt, you're doing it wrong not clumsy.

You have no entitlement to approach someone for sex if they're not willing. #metoo is about women saying they're not willing but entitled assholes with power insist anyway.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:26 am

Flirting is words, and the words are not about sex acts. Going beyond this is going beyond flirting.

Nothing has changed. It's always been this way. How is this suddenly difficult?

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:32 am

Holman wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:26 am Flirting is words, and the words are not about sex acts. Going beyond this is going beyond flirting.

Nothing has changed. It's always been this way. How is this suddenly difficult?

The only thing I’d point out here is that it’s not just about going beyond words. Especially in the workplace when there’s a pronounced power imbalance (e.g., boss/worker), the issue can be solely about words. See all the stuff about Harmon above.