Shootings

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:34 pm

As of this post, Dick's post on Facebook has 232k likes, 110k loves, and 17k angries (95% positive reaction). Seems like surprisingly positive sentiment despite the comment thread seeming more evenly-distributed.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:40 pm

The angry votes are from those who want them to stop giving discounts to Planned Parenthood.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:44 pm

hepcat wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:40 pm The angry votes are from those who want them to stop giving discounts to Planned Parenthood.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:39 pm

Georgia

Police in Georgia say a teacher apparently fired a gun inside a classroom at Dalton High School and barricaded himself there for about 30 minutes before he was taken into custody.

WRCB reports that no students were inside the classroom at the time. Police spokesman Bruce Frazier says that the teacher apparently did not want to involve students. He says authorities have recovered a handgun.
...
The school has about 2,000 students, according to its website. It is located about 90 miles (145 kilometers) north of Atlanta.

Dalton is known as the Carpet Capital of the World, since much of the carpet for U.S. and world markets is produced within a 25-mile (40-kilometer) radius of the city. The origins of Dalton’s carpet industry are traced to the making of bedspreads in the community.

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:06 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:39 pm Georgia

Police in Georgia say a teacher apparently fired a gun inside a classroom at Dalton High School and barricaded himself there for about 30 minutes before he was taken into custody.

WRCB reports that no students were inside the classroom at the time. Police spokesman Bruce Frazier says that the teacher apparently did not want to involve students. He says authorities have recovered a handgun.
...
The school has about 2,000 students, according to its website. It is located about 90 miles (145 kilometers) north of Atlanta.

Dalton is known as the Carpet Capital of the World, since much of the carpet for U.S. and world markets is produced within a 25-mile (40-kilometer) radius of the city. The origins of Dalton’s carpet industry are traced to the making of bedspreads in the community.

Wow, talk about timing. Exhibit A in why we should think long and hard about putting more guns in schools.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:12 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:39 pm Georgia

Police in Georgia say a teacher apparently fired a gun inside a classroom at Dalton High School and barricaded himself there for about 30 minutes before he was taken into custody.

WRCB reports that no students were inside the classroom at the time. Police spokesman Bruce Frazier says that the teacher apparently did not want to involve students. He says authorities have recovered a handgun.
...
The school has about 2,000 students, according to its website. It is located about 90 miles (145 kilometers) north of Atlanta.

Dalton is known as the Carpet Capital of the World, since much of the carpet for U.S. and world markets is produced within a 25-mile (40-kilometer) radius of the city. The origins of Dalton’s carpet industry are traced to the making of bedspreads in the community.

Why did the article author feel the need to include the fun facts about Dalton producing a lot of carpets?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:13 pm

I don't know, but I felt that I had to make sure it got included in my quote for additional eyes.

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:13 pm

El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:12 pm Why did the article author feel the need to include the fun facts about Dalton producing a lot of carpets?

I was thinking the same thing.

"This story brought to you by the Dalton Chamber of Commerce!"

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:16 pm

Sepiche wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:13 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:12 pm Why did the article author feel the need to include the fun facts about Dalton producing a lot of carpets?
I was thinking the same thing.

"This story brought to you by the Dalton Chamber of Commerce!"

Same exact thought, except it was Dalton Tourism. Yours is better. I forget chambers of Commerce exist.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:20 pm

I mean, as it happens, my wife and I were just talking about where we want to take our next vacation. This just about settles it.

"Honey, there's this lovely little town in Georgia that just had a teacher arrested for shooting a gun in school AND produces just a whole ton of carpets..."

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:25 pm

Sepiche wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:06 pm
Wow, talk about timing. Exhibit A in why we should think long and hard about putting more guns in schools.

You know, if I were a teacher, and I really, really wanted to make sure that arming teachers didn't happen...

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:25 pm

When your editor budgets 800 words and the story only fills 500....

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:35 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:25 pm
Sepiche wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:06 pm
Wow, talk about timing. Exhibit A in why we should think long and hard about putting more guns in schools.
You know, if I were a teacher, and I really, really wanted to make sure that arming teachers didn't happen...

Well, you have to wonder if this was the first time he brought a gun to school and if he did so legally or not. I mean was he an "armed teacher" who had a negligent discharge/went crazy or a school shooter who happened to be a teacher? Or a disgruntled employee. Of the latter two we've had a lot. Don't recall the first before.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:40 pm

One wonders who decides to respond to a negligent discharge by barricading themselves in the room. That's the actions of a child that doesn't want to get in trouble refusing to come out.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:09 pm

And this is why we need armed teachers to protect students from other armed teachers. (goes off to cry in corner over the whole guns mess)

tjg_marantz · Post by **tjg_marantz** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:24 pm

We should arm students to deal with armed teachers.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:28 pm

No worries, Trump has it figured out:

One of the strangest moments came when he argued that the alleged shooter in the tragedy in Parkland, Fla. — about whom there were numerous red flags — should have had his guns taken away regardless of what the law allowed.

“I think they should have taken them away, whether they had the right or not,” Trump said. He added later, in case there was any doubt: "Take the guns first, go through due process second."

This is the President of the United States of America speaking.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:28 pm

tjg_marantz wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:24 pm We should arm students to deal with armed teachers.

Nope. Just give them bear arms.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:29 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:25 pm
Sepiche wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:06 pm
Wow, talk about timing. Exhibit A in why we should think long and hard about putting more guns in schools.
You know, if I were a teacher, and I really, really wanted to make sure that arming teachers didn't happen...

You'd lose your job and go to jail?

That's dedication to your former career.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:44 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:28 pm No worries, Trump has it figured out:

One of the strangest moments came when he argued that the alleged shooter in the tragedy in Parkland, Fla. — about whom there were numerous red flags — should have had his guns taken away regardless of what the law allowed.

“I think they should have taken them away, whether they had the right or not,” Trump said. He added later, in case there was any doubt: "Take the guns first, go through due process second."
This is the President of the United States of America speaking.

I know that this gets said all the time, but good god imagine if Obama said that. The NRA couldn't send out fundraising blasts fast enough.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:45 pm

El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:44 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:28 pm No worries, Trump has it figured out:

One of the strangest moments came when he argued that the alleged shooter in the tragedy in Parkland, Fla. — about whom there were numerous red flags — should have had his guns taken away regardless of what the law allowed.

“I think they should have taken them away, whether they had the right or not,” Trump said. He added later, in case there was any doubt: "Take the guns first, go through due process second."
This is the President of the United States of America speaking.
I know that this gets said all the time, but good god imagine if Obama said that. The NRA couldn't send out fundraising blasts fast enough.

DONALD TRUMP IS COMING FOR YOUR GUNS.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:04 pm

GreenGoo wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:29 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:25 pm
Sepiche wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:06 pm
Wow, talk about timing. Exhibit A in why we should think long and hard about putting more guns in schools.
You know, if I were a teacher, and I really, really wanted to make sure that arming teachers didn't happen...
You'd lose your job and go to jail?

That's dedication to your former career.

I wouldn't. The hypothetical me who in the example? Sure. People lose their jobs and go to jail every day for causes they believe in. It isn't at all absurd to imagine a teacher being so incensed by the idea and terrified by the thought of a school full of guns that he would be willing to sacrifice himself to make sure it doesn't happen. It would also explain the single gunshot in an empty room and the barricading to make it a 'big issue.'

Note that I'm not saying that's what happened. It's borderline conspiracy theory stuff. I'm just pointing out that it's an extreme possibility.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:32 pm

El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:20 pm I mean, as it happens, my wife and I were just talking about where we want to take our next vacation. This just about settles it.

"Honey, there's this lovely little town in Georgia that just had a teacher arrested for shooting a gun in school AND produces just a whole ton of carpets..."

It really ties the state together, man.

Jag · Post by **Jag** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:32 pm

El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:44 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:28 pm No worries, Trump has it figured out:

One of the strangest moments came when he argued that the alleged shooter in the tragedy in Parkland, Fla. — about whom there were numerous red flags — should have had his guns taken away regardless of what the law allowed.

“I think they should have taken them away, whether they had the right or not,” Trump said. He added later, in case there was any doubt: "Take the guns first, go through due process second."
This is the President of the United States of America speaking.
I know that this gets said all the time, but good god imagine if Obama said that. The NRA couldn't send out fundraising blasts fast enough.

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Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:21 pm

Kraken wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:32 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:20 pm I mean, as it happens, my wife and I were just talking about where we want to take our next vacation. This just about settles it.

"Honey, there's this lovely little town in Georgia that just had a teacher arrested for shooting a gun in school AND produces just a whole ton of carpets..."
It really ties the state together, man.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:22 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:28 pm No worries, Trump has it figured out:

One of the strangest moments came when he argued that the alleged shooter in the tragedy in Parkland, Fla. — about whom there were numerous red flags — should have had his guns taken away regardless of what the law allowed.

“I think they should have taken them away, whether they had the right or not,” Trump said. He added later, in case there was any doubt: "Take the guns first, go through due process second."
This is the President of the United States of America speaking.

Surprising absolutely no one.

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:13 pm

Zaxxon wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:34 pm As of this post, Dick's post on Facebook has 232k likes, 110k loves, and 17k angries (95% positive reaction). Seems like surprisingly positive sentiment despite the comment thread seeming more evenly-distributed.

Walmart follows suit.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:16 pm

Nice. Come on, Cabela's...

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:13 pm

Sepiche wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:06 pm
Wow, talk about timing. Exhibit A in why we should think long and hard about putting more guns in schools.

We don't need to think long and hard about it, it's a stupid idea designed to distract from the campaign to actually try to do something about getting LESS Guns in schools.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:21 pm

Holman wrote:DONALD TRUMP IS COMING FOR YOUR GUNS.

I wonder if this will be the what breaks Trump. The GOP is willing to ignore everything wrong about Trump to get their special interest's policies. When he is no longer reliable, they will turn on him. But when?

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:24 pm

Pyperkub wrote:
Sepiche wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:06 pm
Wow, talk about timing. Exhibit A in why we should think long and hard about putting more guns in schools.
We don't need to think long and hard about it, it's a stupid idea designed to distract from the campaign to actually try to do something about getting LESS Guns in schools.

Fewer. More grammar in schools!

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:26 pm

Zaxxon wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:24 pm
Pyperkub wrote:
Sepiche wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:06 pm
Wow, talk about timing. Exhibit A in why we should think long and hard about putting more guns in schools.
We don't need to think long and hard about it, it's a stupid idea designed to distract from the campaign to actually try to do something about getting LESS Guns in schools.
Fewer. More grammar in schools!

Sure, go all (grammar) Nazi on me - you darned Nazi!

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:30 pm

YellowKing wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:08 pm All Parkland needed was President Trump:

Orange Buffoon wrote:"I really believe I'd run in there, even if I didn't have a weapon, and I think most of the people in this room would have done that too," Trump told a gathering of US governors at the White House.
To quote those kids, "We call BS!"

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:48 pm

If that's the scene I think it is, he was pretty clearly not afraid (although I equate that with being unable to imagine being in harm's way) and the secret service dudes had to bundle him up.

Having the secret service dudes pile on top of you and drag you to safety isn't something you have a choice about.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:55 pm

Zarathud wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:21 pm
Holman wrote:DONALD TRUMP IS COMING FOR YOUR GUNS.
I wonder if this will be the what breaks Trump. The GOP is willing to ignore everything wrong about Trump to get their special interest's policies. When he is no longer reliable, they will turn on him. But when?

Do GOP lawmakers genuinely care about guns, though, or do they just play that role because they're so well paid to do so? Trump's heresy could be the cover they need to break ranks, if they still have vestigial consciences.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:46 am

Zarathud wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:21 pm
Holman wrote:DONALD TRUMP IS COMING FOR YOUR GUNS.
I wonder if this will be the what breaks Trump. The GOP is willing to ignore everything wrong about Trump to get their special interest's policies. When he is no longer reliable, they will turn on him. But when?

Spoiler:

Also someone will explain to Trump shortly what he actually thinks about all this.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:06 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:35 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:25 pm
Sepiche wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:06 pm
Wow, talk about timing. Exhibit A in why we should think long and hard about putting more guns in schools.
You know, if I were a teacher, and I really, really wanted to make sure that arming teachers didn't happen...
Well, you have to wonder if this was the first time he brought a gun to school and if he did so legally or not. I mean was he an "armed teacher" who had a negligent discharge/went crazy or a school shooter who happened to be a teacher? Or a disgruntled employee. Of the latter two we've had a lot. Don't recall the first before.

Schools are still gun free zones. He did not bring a gun there legally regardless of any permits he may otherwise hold.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:10 am

Timely research...

Reduction in Firearm Injuries During NRA Annual Conventions

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:41 am

https://www.facebook.com/sybele.capezzu ... 01975/?t=0

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:48 am

Remus West wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:06 am
LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:35 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:25 pm
Sepiche wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:06 pm
Wow, talk about timing. Exhibit A in why we should think long and hard about putting more guns in schools.
You know, if I were a teacher, and I really, really wanted to make sure that arming teachers didn't happen...

Well, you have to wonder if this was the first time he brought a gun to school and if he did so legally or not. I mean was he an "armed teacher" who had a negligent discharge/went crazy or a school shooter who happened to be a teacher? Or a disgruntled employee. Of the latter two we've had a lot. Don't recall the first before.
Schools are still gun free zones. He did not bring a gun there legally regardless of any permits he may otherwise hold.

They are not universally gun free. Didn't know about this particular school.

Utah is among at least eight states that allow, or don’t specifically prohibit, concealed weapons in K-12 schools, according to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

CLARKSVILLE (KFSM) -- The Clarksville School District was one of the first to implement armed faculty and staff on a school campus and now, school officials say they feel safer.

For nearly five years, more than 20 faculty and staff have served as armed, private security guards to protect themselves and students in case of an emergency. Those armed guards receive training yearly.