The Trump Investigation(s) Thread

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:26 pm

I started a GoFundMe page. Just google “Urine the Money”.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:54 pm

hepcat wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:26 pm I started a GoFundMe page. Just google “Urine the Money”.

Report: Trump Hung Out In 2013 With Russians At A ‘Lewd’ Vegas Club That Simulated Golden Showers.

FYI.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:06 pm

How do you simulate urinating?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:20 pm

Onterrio Smith could tell you.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:19 am

I really despise the word "lewd" for some reason. Both its meaning and its sound.

Carry on.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:16 am

I have the same issue with the word trump.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:18 am

On the highway today, I saw a dump truck with a giant Trump sticker on it. I thought that was pretty apt metaphor.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:49 am

Mueller's obstruction case is nearly complete, but don't expect to hear the results anytime soon.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into whether President Donald Trump obstructed justice is said to be close to completion, but he may set it aside while he finishes other key parts of his probe, such as possible collusion and the hacking of Democrats, according to current and former U.S. officials.

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Any clear outcome of the obstruction inquiry could be used against Mueller: Filing charges against Trump or his family could prompt the president to take action to fire him. Publicly clearing Trump of obstruction charges -- as the president’s lawyers have requested -- could be used by his allies to build pressure for the broader investigation to be shut down.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:11 am

Chaz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:18 am On the highway today, I saw a dump truck with a giant Trump sticker on it. I thought that was pretty apt metaphor.

Was it on fire?

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:23 am

hepcat wrote:I started a GoFundMe page. Just google “Urine the Money”.

A whole new meaning for revenue stream...

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:35 am

$iljanus wrote:
hepcat wrote:I started a GoFundMe page. Just google “Urine the Money”.
A whole new meaning for revenue stream...

Hopefully they don't just piss it all away...

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:23 pm

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:02 pm

The GOP majority has suddenly shut down the Russia investigation in the House.

link

This is being done without even the pretense of clearing up the issues, even issues unconnected to the Trump campaign, that still threaten this year's coming elections.

It's truly shocking. There's no clearer example of putting party over country.

Every Republican should be ashamed.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:09 pm

POTUS wrote:THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS, AFTER A 14 MONTH LONG IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATION, FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA TO INFLUENCE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

"In-depth."

Excuse me, "IN-DEPTH."

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:11 pm

YELLING

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:21 pm

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:24 pm

There were headlines this morning that Muelleris nearly done with the obstruction component of his investigation but that he will hold off on presenting findings (or charges) until other aspects of the Russia probe are complete.

This move in the House seems like a response to that and to the presumption that obstruction charges are likely forthcoming. Closing the books on the House Intel Committee's investigation offers an obvious justification for firing Mueller.

I am sick to my stomach at this.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:45 pm

But the Senate Intel investigation is still going, and doing it in a bipartisan manner, right? If Trump decided to try and shut down the Muller investigation based on the House investigation being closed by the GOP, that'd be...a bold move.

Which means it's got a decent chance of being the next step.

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:41 pm

Where Do I March?

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:44 pm

The House investigation was always a charade anyway. At least they didn't end up charging Hillary. Your tax dollars at work!

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:49 pm

Rooney is publicly disagreeing with his colleagues at least:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/37804 ... ed-to-help

Rep. Tom Rooney (R-Fla.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said on Monday that "there is evidence" showing the Russians attempted to help Trump during the 2016 presidential election, contradicting a draft report from the panel.

“I certainly think there is evidence of that. I don’t know that necessarily there was a full-fledged campaign to do everything that they could to help elect Donald Trump,” Rooney told host Erin Burnett on CNN's "OutFront." “I think that their goal was chaos.”

And in what is I'm sure a complete coincidence, Rooney is not running for re-election.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:50 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:24 pm This move in the House seems like a response to that and to the presumption that obstruction charges are likely forthcoming. Closing the books on the House Intel Committee's investigation offers an obvious justification for firing Mueller.

On what basis? These investigations have always been independent and not tied to one another. Just because one is done doesn't mean the other should be finished. Mueller's is a criminal investigation, totally different from the House/Senate investigations. I don't see it being an "obvious" justification by any means - otherwise, why have separate investigations?

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:01 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:09 pm
POTUS wrote:THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS, AFTER A 14 MONTH LONG IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATION, FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA TO INFLUENCE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
"In-depth."

Excuse me, "IN-DEPTH."

Obviously, it's just a simple typo for UN-DEPTH. Nothing to see. Move along.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:25 pm

Grifman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:50 pm why have separate investigations?

Exactly what Trump is thinking.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:27 pm

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:52 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:02 pm It's truly shocking. There's no clearer example of putting party over country.

Every Republican should be ashamed.

Moreover we have to start wondering what the hell is going on with the GOP in general. This isn't just party over country. They are completely abandoning their literal purpose to defend the Constitution of the United States. We knew there was a deep, deep disease in the GOP but now we have evidence the sickness may be terminal. How do they come back from this?

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:27 am

malchior wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:52 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:02 pm It's truly shocking. There's no clearer example of putting party over country.

Every Republican should be ashamed.
Moreover we have to start wondering what the hell is going on with the GOP in general. This isn't just party over country. They are completely abandoning their literal purpose to defend the Constitution of the United States. We knew there was a deep, deep disease in the GOP but now we have evidence the sickness may be terminal. How do they come back from this?

You're worrying about the ax-murderer's future career prospects as he's hacking you to pieces? I'm impressed!

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:46 am

Grifman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:50 pm
Holman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:24 pm This move in the House seems like a response to that and to the presumption that obstruction charges are likely forthcoming. Closing the books on the House Intel Committee's investigation offers an obvious justification for firing Mueller.
On what basis? These investigations have always been independent and not tied to one another. Just because one is done doesn't mean the other should be finished. Mueller's is a criminal investigation, totally different from the House/Senate investigations. I don't see it being an "obvious" justification by any means - otherwise, why have separate investigations?

You don't think Nunes and co are doing this to undermine the Mueller probe and that their "conclusion" here is meant to make it seem unnecessary?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:39 am

They might try but the House probe lacks credibility now. They are the last group I think will be able to successfully undermine Mueller. They are all under investigation by the Ethics Committee including the entirety of the Republican staff. They are stooges and like the rest completely incompetent. In retrospect, this thing was over as soon as Nunes dropped that idiotic memo. It just took awhile for them to realize they had wrung out all the political usage and run the clock out as much as they could.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:49 am

How are the likes of Sanders and Nunes not being photoshopped into Iraqi defense minister pictures?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:25 pm

Meanwhile the Post has confirmed that Roger Stone knew about the hacked Podesta e-mails in advance. Obviously that doesn't prove that Trump himself knew in advance BUT if one was a betting man...

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:16 pm

Guess it will be Roger Stone's time in the barrel soon.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:53 pm

Sepiche wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:49 pm Rooney is publicly disagreeing with his colleagues at least:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/37804 ... ed-to-help
Rep. Tom Rooney (R-Fla.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said on Monday that "there is evidence" showing the Russians attempted to help Trump during the 2016 presidential election, contradicting a draft report from the panel.

“I certainly think there is evidence of that. I don’t know that necessarily there was a full-fledged campaign to do everything that they could to help elect Donald Trump,” Rooney told host Erin Burnett on CNN's "OutFront." “I think that their goal was chaos.”
And in what is I'm sure a complete coincidence, Rooney is not running for re-election.

Another Republican on the committee disagrees with the conclusion

Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina said that the evidence gathered by the committee clearly showed Russia's disdain for Trump's rival, Hillary Clinton, and was "motivated in whole or in part by a desire to harm her candidacy or undermine her Presidency had she prevailed."

A source familiar with Gowdy's thinking said the congressman believes there's no difference between opposing Clinton and backing Trump in what had become, effectively, a two-person race. The source added that Gowdy "disagrees with the conclusion" that the intelligence agencies got it wrong.

Gowdy, also, is not up for reelection

Formix · Post by **Formix** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:09 am

Let's not forget, the GOP was supposedly hacked as well. Not to mention that any Nunes (or others) laptops, e-mails, texts, etc. could've been hacked. My running hypothesis is that these guys are not choosing party over country, it's that they've been Kompromat-ed.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:44 am

Formix wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:09 am Let's not forget, the GOP was supposedly hacked as well. Not to mention that any Nunes (or others) laptops, e-mails, texts, etc. could've been hacked. My running hypothesis is that these guys are not choosing party over country, it's that they've been Kompromat-ed.

They didn't hack the RNC, they tried and failed. They were only able to hack some old domains and individual Republicans.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... blican-na/

Trump said the Russians "tried to hack the Republican National Committee, and they were unable to break through."

While Russians were able to get into the email accounts of some Republican individuals and state-level Republican organizations, they did not break into the Republican National Committee’s current system, according to the director of the FBI.

Russians did access email domains associated with the RNC that were no longer in use, but the information was outdated and wasn’t released. Additionally, it’s not completely clear why hackers were unable to get into the current RNC.

The gist of Trump’s claim is correct, but it’s important to keep in mind that Russian hackers did access some Republican data, including the outdated RNC account. So we rate his claim Mostly True.

While the DNC had bad actors actually maintain their computers and let them have access to the entire shebang. Then did everything they could to obstruct the perpetrators being brought to justice.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminit ... 76d42e4414

In a plot Tom Clancy might have dreamed up, an IT staffer who’d worked for Democrats in Congress was arrested by federal officials and charged with bank fraud. Fox News has reported that officers and agents from the U.S. Capitol Police, the FBI and Customs and Border Protection, were involved in the arrest of Imran Awan at Dulles International Airport not far from Washington, D.C., as he tried to fly away to Pakistan.

Awan has pleaded not guilty to bank fraud, but his strange case has all the feeling of the opening scene of a movie that might soon include political corruption and so much more.

Democrats are being understandably quiet about the hill staffer who had been employed by Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) as of Tuesday morning, but has now reportedly been fired. Politico has reported that Awan is “at the center of a criminal investigation potentially impacting dozens of lawmakers.” Awan was arrested after wiring $283,000 from the Congressional Federal Credit Union to Pakistan, says The Daily Caller.

Now RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel has gone on FOX Business to demand that Democrats explain what this is all about.

McDaniel said, “We have to get to the bottom of this, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz has obstructed at every level on something that affects potentially our national security. So to have this gentlemen try and leave the country yesterday, and now we know there is bank fraud and we know he destroyed these hard drives, when you read story about the Marine that found them in the apartment he was trying to rent. I mean, it is a long story but something we have to get to the bottom of. We are not hearing the Democrats talk about it at all. Where's Debbie Wasserman Schultz? And we also need to know why the DNC never turned over their hard drive to the FBI to review it as to their hacking situation. So the Democrats are on TV and they're grandstanding every chance they get, but they're not complying and they're not being forthright with their role."

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:31 pm

If the RNC was not hacked, it doesn't mean all GOP accounts or assets were not hacked. RNC is just one organization. Formix's point is that individuals could easily be compromised. The RNC being safe or not really doesn't matter.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:57 pm

Defiant wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:53 pm
Sepiche wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:49 pm Rooney is publicly disagreeing with his colleagues at least:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/37804 ... ed-to-help
Rep. Tom Rooney (R-Fla.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said on Monday that "there is evidence" showing the Russians attempted to help Trump during the 2016 presidential election, contradicting a draft report from the panel.

“I certainly think there is evidence of that. I don’t know that necessarily there was a full-fledged campaign to do everything that they could to help elect Donald Trump,” Rooney told host Erin Burnett on CNN's "OutFront." “I think that their goal was chaos.”
And in what is I'm sure a complete coincidence, Rooney is not running for re-election.
Another Republican on the committee disagrees with the conclusion

Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina said that the evidence gathered by the committee clearly showed Russia's disdain for Trump's rival, Hillary Clinton, and was "motivated in whole or in part by a desire to harm her candidacy or undermine her Presidency had she prevailed."

A source familiar with Gowdy's thinking said the congressman believes there's no difference between opposing Clinton and backing Trump in what had become, effectively, a two-person race. The source added that Gowdy "disagrees with the conclusion" that the intelligence agencies got it wrong.
Gowdy, also, is not up for reelection

OK, so if Rooney, Gowdy and the Democrats all believe the report is false, how in the heck did it get released? Doesn't there have to at least be a majority on the Committee to vote for release?

Something stinks here... and for once it isn't Nunes...

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:20 pm

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:57 pm OK, so if Rooney, Gowdy and the Democrats all believe the report is false, how in the heck did it get released? Doesn't there have to at least be a majority on the Committee to vote for release?

Something stinks here... and for once it isn't Nunes...

My understanding is Gowdy and Rooney voted to release the report, they've just been publicly disagreeing with some of the findings.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:36 pm

Sepiche wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:20 pm
Pyperkub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:57 pm OK, so if Rooney, Gowdy and the Democrats all believe the report is false, how in the heck did it get released? Doesn't there have to at least be a majority on the Committee to vote for release?

Something stinks here... and for once it isn't Nunes...
My understanding is Gowdy and Rooney voted to release the report, they've just been publicly disagreeing with some of the findings.

Cowards.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:26 pm

It is strange because it was an integrity vote in a way. They wanted the committee to disband as it has been a leak machine and a propaganda device for Nunes and Trump. Once the memo flopped the credibility of the committee was completely shot. They hadn't done any real meaningful work in weeks on top. So the disband sounds bad but it wasn't doing anything productive either. Ending the sham and dumping out a crap report was just the final (expected) output of a compromised process.