The Trump Investigation(s) Thread

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:11 pm

Chaz wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:09 pm It's hilarious that a few days after once again going off about how reporters always use anonymous sources, Sanders quotes an anonymous source saying that the President can totes fire Mueller.

That's because it's FAKE NEWS when the non-Fox media does it, but it's okay when the administration does it. Duh.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:13 pm

LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:57 pm I dunno. I've never been moved to join pubic protest and that's my line to join. I don't know what other people's lines are and what happens when they get crossed but It's rare that public protest doesn't turn ugly, which is a big reason I don't risk joining. I don't to be involved in events that turns into problems that purport to try and solve problems, but what choice do you have when the process of arbitration fails explicitly because the processes controller is also the on being investigated and is also the one who made if fail? That's end of line.

I haven't marched against anything since college, but I'll be out there if he tries to fire Mueller. While violence worries me a little, I mostly just hate crowds. Maybe I'll just stand on a curb by myself and wave a sign at passing motorists. What could possibly go wrong with that?

I need a clever slogan. Something like "I can't believe I'm protesting FOR a lawyer".

Hamlet3145 · Post by **Hamlet3145** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:39 pm

In my life, I've never gone out and protested anything before.

That said, I already have my sign. Already have a back pack with supplies. Already know where my local protest location will be. Been ready for weeks.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:48 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:13 pm I need a clever slogan. Something like "I can't believe I'm protesting FOR a lawyer".

And a government lawyer at that.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:49 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:13 pm
LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:57 pm I dunno. I've never been moved to join pubic protest and that's my line to join. I don't know what other people's lines are and what happens when they get crossed but It's rare that public protest doesn't turn ugly, which is a big reason I don't risk joining. I don't to be involved in events that turns into problems that purport to try and solve problems, but what choice do you have when the process of arbitration fails explicitly because the processes controller is also the on being investigated and is also the one who made if fail? That's end of line.
I haven't marched against anything since college, but I'll be out there if he tries to fire Mueller. While violence worries me a little, I mostly just hate crowds. Maybe I'll just stand on a curb by myself and wave a sign at passing motorists. What could possibly go wrong with that?

I need a clever slogan. Something like "I can't believe I'm protesting FOR a lawyer".

I've marched three times since Jan 2016, and the energy in Philadelphia has always been really fun and really positive.

I would think Boston would be that x2.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:52 pm

Chaz wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:09 pm It's hilarious that a few days after once again going off about how reporters always use anonymous sources, Sanders quotes an anonymous source saying that the President can totes fire Mueller.

Maggie Haberman wrote:Some news - Dershowitz has been at the White House for part of today as Trump seeks his input, and he’s supposed to have dinner with the president tonight, per WH sources

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:52 pm

Hamlet3145 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:39 pm In my life, I've never gone out and protested anything before.

That said, I already have my sign. Already have a back pack with supplies. Already know where my local protest location will be. Been ready for weeks.

Same here. Even had the talk over the weekend with Mrs Skinypupy (who is not politically inclined in the least) about how we will coordinate kids, schedules, etc if it happens.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:58 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:13 pm

I haven't marched against anything since college, but I'll be out there if he tries to fire Mueller. While violence worries me a little, I mostly just hate crowds. Maybe I'll just stand on a curb by myself and wave a sign at passing motorists. What could possibly go wrong with that?

I need a clever slogan. Something like "I can't believe I'm protesting FOR a lawyer".

Likewise.

I have a t-shirt that reads "If you're not outraged you're not paying attention", plus my sister just sent me a hat emblazoned with ITMFA (impeach the motherfucker, already).

You're welcome to use either.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:21 pm

And so it begins.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:38 pm

Whoa, too soon. I have an intensive editing job that I can't get out of tomorrow. Not expecting a massacre until Friday...and I will NOT miss the spring beer tasting on Saturday. Beer > democracy.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:38 pm

So excited to be spending the next week in DC.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:44 pm

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:38 pm So excited to be spending the next week in DC.

At least you don't live here.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:44 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:38 pm Whoa, too soon. I have an intensive editing job that I can't get out of tomorrow. Not expecting a massacre until Friday...and I will NOT miss the spring beer tasting on Saturday. Beer > democracy.

That's what I'm saying. I have no urge to protest. I like my quiet corner of the earth and just want to go along to get along. I really don't want to be inconvenienced in to protesting. All it takes to keep me sitting on my ass is don't mess with the investigation.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:47 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:38 pm Beer Vodka > democracy.

Show some respect for the New World Order.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:39 pm

Max Peck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:47 pm
Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:38 pm Beer Vodka Free beer > democracy.
Show some respect for the New World Order.

Better?

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:06 pm

LordMortis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:44 pm
Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:38 pm Whoa, too soon. I have an intensive editing job that I can't get out of tomorrow. Not expecting a massacre until Friday...and I will NOT miss the spring beer tasting on Saturday. Beer > democracy.
That's what I'm saying. I have no urge to protest. I like my quiet corner of the earth and just want to go along to get along. I really don't want to be inconvenienced in to protesting. All it takes to keep me sitting on my ass is don't mess with the investigation.

Completely with you on this. The LAST thing I want to do is join a protest. I hate protests and have never joined one. By and large, not because I hate what the protesters are trying to accomplish (I often agree with them), but because I just can't stand large groups all doing the same thing. It always reminds me of lemmings. There also always seem to be rotten apples in the group that make me embarrassed to be associated with any group that claims them.

All that said, if Mueller gets canned, I'm out in full force with whomever is out there marching.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:22 pm

I will show my disdain of the current people in office by voting in my local stuff tomorrow. I wanted to attend one guy's free fried chicken dinner but my wife refused since I would not be voting for him. he didn't specify the chicken cost 1 vote but she is not moving on it.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:04 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:21 pm And so it begins.

In some ways I worry more about Trump firing Rosenstein than Mueller. The public is primed for a firing of Mueller, such that there will be mass people in the streets if that happens. Not that the GOP wouldn't let Trump get away with it in the end, BUT at the least there's a lot of uncertainty involved. Rosenstein's not exactly a minor figure, but he doesn't have Mueller's profile, so I'm not sure how the public would react. And if Trump can replace Rosenstein, he can hamper Mueller pretty effectively.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:39 pm

Heck, we may as well turn this into an OO R&P meetup. Who's buying the octopus hats?

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:43 pm

Perhaps we can pool resources and purchase an impregnable fortress in the wilderness somewhere?

Maybe Canadia?

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:54 pm

YellowKing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:39 pm Heck, we may as well turn this into an OO R&P meetup. Who's buying the octopus hats?

http://www.aztexhats.com/products/2890- ... gLzN_D_BwE

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:18 am

Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:39 pm
Max Peck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:47 pm
Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:38 pm Beer Vodka Free beer > democracy.
Show some respect for the New World Order.
Better?

Only if it's Russian beer...

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:13 am

Max Peck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:18 am
Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:39 pm
Max Peck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:47 pm
Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:38 pm Beer Vodka Free beer > democracy.
Show some respect for the New World Order.
Better?
Only if it's Russian beer...

I was trying to conjure communists and millennials and millennial communists, but I can see it if nobody stretched that far with me.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:13 am

ellipses whiner wrote:....doing things that nobody thought possible, despite the never ending and corrupt Russia Investigation, which takes tremendous time and focus. No Collusion or Obstruction (other than I fight back), so now they do the Unthinkable, and RAID a lawyers office for information! BAD!

So the raid on Cohen was about sex-affair hush-money payments and even New York taxi license fraud, but here Trump announces that it must be about evidence of collusion and obstruction.

That's certainly interesting.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:28 am

I just listened to our own Mr. Fed aka Mr.White on NPR doing a great job explaining the whole process behind the Cohen raid. Was hoping he would throw “taint team” into the conversation. Very educational and you can put a voice to the name at this link to the radio interview below.

Everything you wanted to know about raiding an attorney’s office

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:34 am

Reports are that Paul Ryan is retiring. Maybe he'll finally grow some balls in the meantime.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:38 am

He does know that everyone (including special investigators) can see these comments he Tweets out, right?

The Failing New York Times wrote another phony story. It was political pundit Doug Schoen, not a Ukrainian businessman, who asked me to do a short speech by phone (Skype), hosted by Doug, in Ukraine. I was very positive about Ukraine-another negative to the Fake Russia C story!

So much Fake News about what is going on in the White House. Very calm and calculated with a big focus on open and fair trade with China, the coming North Korea meeting and, of course, the vicious gas attack in Syria. Feels great to have Bolton & Larry K on board. I (we) are doing things that nobody thought possible, despite the never ending and corrupt Russia Investigation, which takes tremendous time and focus. No Collusion or Obstruction (other than I fight back), so now they do the Unthinkable, and RAID a lawyers office for information! BAD!

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:43 am

The irony of the first tweet is that the Schoen stuff confirms the NYT story, because that is part of what the NYT reported on.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:46 am

pr0ner wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:43 am The irony of the first tweet is that the Schoen stuff confirms the NYT story, because that is part of what the NYT reported on.

I wouldn’t call it irony. I’d call it evidence that Trump doesn’t read.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:09 am

Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:34 am Reports are that Paul Ryan is retiring. Maybe he'll finally grow some balls in the meantime.

Naw dawg. He got his tax cut through - now it is time for his payout back in industry. He likely won't do anything to buck the system as he heads out the door.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:13 am

malchior wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:09 am
Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:34 am Reports are that Paul Ryan is retiring. Maybe he'll finally grow some balls in the meantime.
Naw dawg. He got his tax cut through - now it is time for his payout back in industry. He likely won't do anything to buck the system as he heads out the door.

Plus, he wants to be able to run in 2020/2024 as both "didn't lose his re-election campaign" and also "I wasn't part of the whole Trump scandal, I'm a New Republican!"

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:18 am

Good Lord.

Much of the bad blood with Russia is caused by the Fake & Corrupt Russia Investigation, headed up by the all Democrat loyalists, or people that worked for Obama. Mueller is most conflicted of all (except Rosenstein who signed FISA & Comey letter). No Collusion, so they go crazy!

Russia has attacked our democratic process and our security infrastructure, attempted assassinations on our allies' soil, and covered for a regime that even Trump has had to admit is monstrous, but the "bad blood" is caused by the investigation?

Trump must be worried he went too far in complaining about Russia in Syria yesterday.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:47 am

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:38 am
I (we) are doing things that nobody thought possible

To be fair, he's correct about that.

Jag · Post by **Jag** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:09 am

$iljanus wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:28 amEverything you wanted to know about raiding an attorney’s office

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:10 am

The Failing New York Times wrote another phony story. It was political pundit Doug Schoen, not a Ukrainian businessman, who asked me to do a short speech by phone (Skype),

Wait. Fuckhead famously never uses computers or email. Now we're to believe he Skypes people?

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:14 am

Holman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:13 am

ellipses whiner wrote:....doing things that nobody thought possible, despite the never ending and corrupt Russia Investigation, which takes tremendous time and focus. No Collusion or Obstruction (other than I fight back), so now they do the Unthinkable, and RAID a lawyers office for information! BAD!

Isn't fighting back against an investigation sort of the definition of obstruction?

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:18 am

Holman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:18 am Good Lord.

Much of the bad blood with Russia is caused by the Fake & Corrupt Russia Investigation, headed up by the all Democrat loyalists, or people that worked for Obama. Mueller is most conflicted of all (except Rosenstein who signed FISA & Comey letter). No Collusion, so they go crazy!
Russia has attacked our democratic process and our security infrastructure, attempted assassinations on our allies' soil, and covered for a regime that even Trump has had to admit is monstrous, but the "bad blood" is caused by the investigation?

Trump must be worried he went too far in complaining about Russia in Syria yesterday.

Also notable from that tweet:
- Continued association of anyone who served under Obama as being tainted, conflicted, and corrupt, suggesting a purge is incoming.
- More instances of laying the groundwork for firing Rosenstein, which would likely be less explosive than firing Mueller directly, but allow him to install someone who would be more Trump-loyal and more willing to curtail the investigation.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:25 am

Jag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:09 am
$iljanus wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:28 amEverything you wanted to know about raiding an attorney’s office

That is really funny. I couldn't decide if it was real or not. I eventually decided the target audience would have no clue what those were.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:25 am

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:14 am Isn't fighting back against an investigation sort of the definition of obstruction?

You know you can't take him literally. You know he means. That's a side effect of being the first politician out there telling in like it is, telling the truth.

Fretmute · Post by **Fretmute** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:40 am

noxiousdog wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:25 amThat is really funny. I couldn't decide if it was real or not. I eventually decided the target audience would have no clue what those were.

The nerd in me is screaming "You need Black Temple gear to complete Sunwell! Wrong order!"