Sooo, this means that Cohen probably did NDAs for Hannity's sexual assaults that were covered up.
And it means Cohen used the same template as Stormy (because we never use new forms). So those NDAs are about to be shredded in the CA case. I'd say he's sweating right now.
Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:38 pm
Wasn't Mr. Fed's point that that whole reason for the warrant was that they didn't believe that the subpoena process was viable to preserve the documents?
Yeah, and that is addressed in the letter to the judge. Trump's team says that was the only reason for the warrant and since the risk of losing the documents has passed, it is appropriate to allow him to review them as if they were subpoenaed. I'm not a lawyer, but it actually makes some sense to me. Unfortunately.
If you don't trust the DOJ's taint team (and honestly, you should), the likely remedy is a special master. Especially given that these aren't Trump's documents. They're Cohen's documents, some of which concern Trump. It would be bizarre to give control over the process to a third party to the matter.
And wouldn't letting Trump's team review the documents in this case spoil the attorney-client privilege between Cohen and the other clients? I can't believe that someone who respects attorney-client privilege as much as Trump does would want such a thing to happen.
Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:38 pm
Wasn't Mr. Fed's point that that whole reason for the warrant was that they didn't believe that the subpoena process was viable to preserve the documents?
Yeah, and that is addressed in the letter to the judge. Trump's team says that was the only reason for the warrant and since the risk of losing the documents has passed, it is appropriate to allow him to review them as if they were subpoenaed. I'm not a lawyer, but it actually makes some sense to me. Unfortunately.
If you don't trust the DOJ's taint team (and honestly, you should), the likely remedy is a special master. Especially given that these aren't Trump's documents. They're Cohen's documents, some of which concern Trump. It would be bizarre to give control over the process to a third party to the matter.
And wouldn't letting Trump's team review the documents in this case spoil the attorney-client privilege between Cohen and the other clients? I can't believe that someone who respects attorney-client privilege as much as Trump does would want such a thing to happen.
I believe that the proposed process would first involve Cohen giving Trump any documents that relate to Trump in any way. In so doing they preserve the solemn attorney-client process as to Broidy and Hannity.
I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?
Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.
Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm
This is so ludicrous. These people.
I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?
Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.
Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm
This is so ludicrous. These people.
I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?
Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.
The most likely explanations appear to be either this, or that Hannity has his own hush money issues and used Cohen for them like Trump and Broidy did.
It is certainly plausible (as Mr. Fed notes on twitter now) that Cohen is exaggerating his relationship with Hannity because he needs to show *some* client base in order to bolster his argument that he is too acting as a real lawyer.
That said, Cohen's lawyers said that they had discussions with the third client and that he requested that it be kept confidential. Seems that either those statements, or Hannity's statements that there's no attorney-client relationship, are lies.
Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm
This is so ludicrous. These people.
I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?
Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.
Hasn't it been shown that Hannity was in communication with Julian Assange? Seems like Cohen might be a nexus point of sorts.
Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:55 pm
That is hilarious.
You keep using that word......
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Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm
This is so ludicrous. These people.
I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?
Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.
I don't know how that would work with individuals, but if it's with corporations I believe you would need some sort of joint defense agreement that would permit you to communicate under AC privilege. Even then, the privilege would apply only to those communications about the legal issue.
Unless Hannity were being investigated for the same crimes as Trump and they needed to coordinate their legal defense, I don't think this would work.
(I also should remind folks that I'm never 100% sure on these AC privilege issues, particularly with respect to individuals.)
This is all getting so weird that I can't even process it anymore. Maybe that's Trumps plan all along. Make everything such a mess that nobody can sort it out.
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Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm
This is so ludicrous. These people.
I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?
Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.
I don't know how that would work with individuals, but if it's with corporations I believe you would need some sort of joint defense agreement that would permit you to communicate under AC privilege. Even then, the privilege would apply only to those communications about the legal issue.
Unless Hannity were being investigated for the same crimes as Trump and they needed to coordinate their legal defense, I don't think this would work.
(I also should remind folks that I'm never 100% sure on these AC privilege issues, particularly with respect to individuals.)
I'm assuming it's as simple as them somehow believing that having Cohen in the room creates a cone of silence. Or maybe just passing notes through him.
Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm
This is so ludicrous. These people.
I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?
Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.
Hasn't it been shown that Hannity was in communication with Julian Assange? Seems like Cohen might be a nexus point of sorts.
Assange was duped by a fake Hannity.... Or was he....
Haven't heard anything explicitly on this point, but it sounds like the judge isn't entertaining the ludicrous "let Trump look over all these documents first" proposal.
msteelers wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:47 pm
So is a special master a win for the Cohen/Trump team? Is it the exact same as a taint team?
It wouldn't really be a win. My understanding of taint teams is that they do function as neutral professionals (though I'm sure that there must be *some* exceptions), so the output of the special master process (in terms of documents turned over to DOJ investigators) would probably not be substantially different from the output of the DOJ taint team.
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Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:04 pm
The idea that Hannity (salary $29 million) would go Michael Effing Cohen for free real-estate legal advice is beyond laughable.
"So if we buy the bitch a condo do you think that would shut her up?"
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Maybe that's Trumps plan all along. Make everything such a mess that nobody can sort it out. 
