The Former Trump Presidency Thread

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:10 pm

Moliere wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:59 pm may not be perfect is a bit of an understatement.

You just earned the achievement "Whatabout-ism"!

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:18 pm

Sepiche wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:10 pm You just earned the achievement "Whatabout-ism"!

That is high-larry-us. You try and switch my criticism of the Democratic Party towards the black community by dismissing it as ain't no thang and instead it's the Republicans who are evil and deserve our attention/criticism. Carry on with your own Whatabout-ism.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:33 pm

I follow a lot of black pundit-types, and it's remarkable that they often say the same thing: black Americans *are* often conservative in the classical take-responsibility-for-your-behavior sense, but they are -very- -very- -very- aware of the degree to which the deck is stacked against them by history and prejudice and institutions.

White conservatism is almost entirely focused on hammering the responsibility angle while ignoring and exploiting and exacerbating the degree to which that deck is stacked.

That's why black Americans overwhelmingly support the Democratic Party. Flawed and awkward as its coalition is, it's a coalition that acknowledges social injustice.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:38 pm

Such a nice guy, people love me!

https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/989967420314943490

WATCH: During an event with Team USA Olympians and Paralympians at the White House, President Trump said, "What happened with the Paralympics was so incredible and so inspiring to me. And I watched — it's a little tough to watch too much, but I watched as much as I could."

https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/989967420314943490

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:44 pm

Moliere wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:18 pm
Sepiche wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:10 pm You just earned the achievement "Whatabout-ism"!
That is high-larry-us. You try and switch my criticism of the Democratic Party towards the black community by dismissing it as ain't no thang and instead it's the Republicans who are evil and deserve our attention/criticism. Carry on with your own Whatabout-ism.

About as damn funny as you spreading lies/misinformation/propaganda in the Earth Day thread and refusing to edit your posts when the pics were proven to not be of Earth Day. I mean it's not like you came up with the lie, the internet did. You are only propagating the false stereotypes (which seems to sort of diminish your whole stereotypes are bad point here).

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:47 pm

Enough wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:38 pm Such a nice guy, people love me!

"I didn't even use the word "gimp". Why won't anyone give me the credit I am due?"

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:15 pm

Moliere wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:18 pm
Sepiche wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:10 pm You just earned the achievement "Whatabout-ism"!
That is high-larry-us. You try and switch my criticism of the Democratic Party towards the black community by dismissing it as ain't no thang and instead it's the Republicans who are evil and deserve our attention/criticism. Carry on with your own Whatabout-ism.

Honestly Moliere, it's posts like that one that make it hard for me to take you seriously.

I posted two specific stories that underscored the way in which the modern incarnation of the Republican party treats racial issues (you know, what we were actually talking about), and you responded with a random Wikipedia page about corruption in Chicago (you know, not remotely what we were talking about).

In short, if you post an unserious response, expect an unserious answer.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:50 pm

Newest McNaughton painting: "Teach a Man to Fish"

https://twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/9 ... 8452723712

link

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:39 pm

Enough wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:44 pm About as damn funny as you spreading lies/misinformation/propaganda in the Earth Day thread and refusing to edit your posts when the pics were proven to not be of Earth Day. I mean it's not like you came up with the lie, the internet did. You are only propagating the false stereotypes (which seems to sort of diminish your whole stereotypes are bad point here).

1) I posted in the thread admitting I was wrong. You posted multiple times that I was wrong. I seriously doubt anyone is going to read that thread and say it is me spreading lies/misinformation/propaganda.

2) If I delete the pictures then you would have to find something else to constantly bring up in response to my threads in completely different topics. Why would I want to deny you the pleasure you obviously get by constantly mentioning them?

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:07 pm

Holman wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:50 pm Newest McNaughton painting: "Teach a Man to Fish"

The socialism book is a nice touch.

Shouldn't drumpf's father be standing over his shoulder handing drumpf a big net full of fish? Or better yet, the deed to several fish companies?

The only -ism we need is nepotism.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:09 pm

https://twitter.com/Travon/status/990017960663072768
link

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:37 pm

Moliere wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:39 pm Chance The Rapper says the unthinkable and takes it back. But he's right, and not just about African Americans.

Chance is certainly right about his hometown's longstanding Democratic rule—the last time the Windy City had a Republican mayor was back in 1931. (As with many industrial cities, control there flipped from Prohibition-supporting GOP machines to Democratic machines due to changing demographics and shifting attitudes toward Catholic and Jewish immigrants.) And as he grudgingly acknowledges, Democratic rule in Chicago hasn't been good for African Americans. The city's police department routinely violates the rights of black and Latino residents, according to a scathing Department of Justice report issued last year. Massively powerful unions have blocked reforms not just of police but of awful schools, while extorting generous pensions and benefits that have brought the city to the edge of bankruptcy and kept it from providing basic services. Chance himself has donated $1 million to Chicago's schools, which have been deemed the country's worst at least since 1987.

See?

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:52 pm Both of those guys were raised under Chicago Democrats and the Machine. Republicans are like unicorns and Frenchmen.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:38 pm

GreenGoo wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:07 pm
Holman wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:50 pm Newest McNaughton painting: "Teach a Man to Fish"
The socialism book is a nice touch.

The bottom book is Justice Warrior.

Hopefully Trump's fishing tips can save this poor benighted white Millennial male.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:11 pm

Holman wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:33 pm I follow a lot of black pundit-types, and it's remarkable that they often say the same thing: black Americans *are* often conservative in the classical take-responsibility-for-your-behavior sense, but they are -very- -very- -very- aware of the degree to which the deck is stacked against them by history and prejudice and institutions.

White conservatism is almost entirely focused on hammering the responsibility angle while ignoring and exploiting and exacerbating the degree to which that deck is stacked.

That's why black Americans overwhelmingly support the Democratic Party. Flawed and awkward as its coalition is, it's a coalition that acknowledges social injustice.

Maybe Chicago needs to find a few of those to elect instead? Hard to make out the social injustice amongst all that you know actual traditional violent injustice that has all but consumed much of the City.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:20 am

Enough wrote: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:38 pm Such a nice guy, people love me!

https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/989967420314943490

WATCH: During an event with Team USA Olympians and Paralympians at the White House, President Trump said, "What happened with the Paralympics was so incredible and so inspiring to me. And I watched — it's a little tough to watch too much, but I watched as much as I could."
https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/989967420314943490

It's been funny watching them try and shape this comment to mean "he's so busy MAGA'ing that he just doesn't have time to watch!", when he apparently seems to have all the time in the world to watch Fox News, tweet incessantly, schmooze with Kanye, appear on Fox & Friends, etc., etc.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:42 pm

Since the fall, the US Department of Justice has been overhauling its manual for federal prosecutors.

In: Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ tough-on-crime policies. Out: A section titled “Need for Free Press and Public Trial.” References to the department’s work on racial gerrymandering are gone. Language about limits on prosecutorial power has been edited down.

The changes include new sections that underscore Sessions’ focus on religious liberty and the Trump administration’s efforts to crack down on government leaks — there is new language admonishing prosecutors not to share classified information and directing them to report contacts with the media.

link

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:46 pm

Trump said at his campaign rally last night in Michigan he was going to shut down the country if he doesn't get funding for his wall in September.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:11 am

pr0ner wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:46 pm Trump said at his campaign rally last night in Michigan he was going to shut down the country if he doesn't get funding for his wall in September.

Does that include the executive branch and his administration? STOP. THAT. WALL!! STOP. THAT. WALL!!

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:03 am

As much as I hate Trump which is more than you can possibly imagine, the caravan peeps didn't do themselves any favors climbing the f'n wall.

Seriously if you are showing up looking for help you don't act like a bunch of jackasses. I'm actually kind of shocked that Fox isn't playing that up more on their front page.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:49 am

Octavious wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:03 am As much as I hate Trump which is more than you can possibly imagine, the caravan peeps didn't do themselves any favors climbing the f'n wall. Seriously if you are showing up looking for help you don't act like a bunch of jackasses. I'm actually kind of shocked that Fox isn't playing that up more on their front page.

Depending on one's preconceptions, it illustrates either the folly of building walls or the need for bigger and badder walls.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:56 pm

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 4992296962

Trump wrote:The migrant ‘caravan’ that is openly defying our border shows how weak & ineffective U.S. immigration laws are. Yet Democrats like Jon Tester continue to support the open borders agenda – Tester even voted to protect Sanctuary Cities. We need lawmakers who will put America First.

This is disgusting but fascinating: it's a perfect example of how Trump views policy disputes as matters of personal loyalty or personal opposition more than anything else.

(Numerous people have pushed back against Trump's immigration policies, but Tester was the VA Committee Dem who brought subordinates' complaints against Trump nominee Ronny Jackson to light.)

Don't think individual Republicans aren't listening.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:47 pm

The other obfuscation is that the caravan is explicitly trying to enter legally. Yes some climbed up the fence, which was dumb, but AFAIK, they're trying to cross according to the law. But of course Trump lies about it and so that somehow becomes the truth.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Tue May 01, 2018 12:35 pm

From a different thread, but I didn't want to ressurect that one:

Holman wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:39 pm Trump's doctor: "Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency."

As a number of pundits have pointed out, that's very good news for a guy whose medical problems kept him out of the Vietnam War.

Asked how he could justify saying Trump would be the healthiest president ever, Bornstein said, "I like that sentence to be quite honest with you and all the rest of them are either sick or dead."

Trump doc says Trump bodyguard, lawyer 'raided' his office, took medical files

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue May 01, 2018 1:41 pm

There's a lot of irony there.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:42 pm

Defiant wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 12:35 pm From a different thread, but I didn't want to ressurect that one:

Holman wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:39 pm Trump's doctor: "Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency."

As a number of pundits have pointed out, that's very good news for a guy whose medical problems kept him out of the Vietnam War.

Asked how he could justify saying Trump would be the healthiest president ever, Bornstein said, "I like that sentence to be quite honest with you and all the rest of them are either sick or dead."

Trump doc says Trump bodyguard, lawyer 'raided' his office, took medical files

Sarah Sanders says this is totally normal.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/991394970467627008

One wonders if there were other details in the doc's 35-year relationship with Trump worth securing.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:54 pm

Surprising exactly no one, the crazy doctor now admits that Trump dictated that whole "he would be the healthiest president ever" letter himself.

When Dr. Harold Bornstein described in hyperbolic prose then-candidate Donald Trump's health in 2015, the language he used was eerily similar to the style preferred by his patient.

It turns out the patient himself wrote it, according to Bornstein.

"He dictated that whole letter. I didn't write that letter," Bornstein told CNN on Tuesday. "I just made it up as I went along."

The admission is an about face from his answer more than two years ago when the letter was released and answers one of the lingering questions about the last presidential election. The letter thrust the eccentric Bornstein, with his shoulder-length hair and round eyeglasses, into public view.

Shocking, I tell you!

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Tue May 01, 2018 7:58 pm

It's almost as if the President had something to hide. Or that investigative journalism could have found out.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:52 pm

Defiant wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 12:35 pm From a different thread, but I didn't want to ressurect that one:

Holman wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:39 pm Trump's doctor: "Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency."

As a number of pundits have pointed out, that's very good news for a guy whose medical problems kept him out of the Vietnam War.

Asked how he could justify saying Trump would be the healthiest president ever, Bornstein said, "I like that sentence to be quite honest with you and all the rest of them are either sick or dead."

Trump doc says Trump bodyguard, lawyer 'raided' his office, took medical files

So, I'm like raid is a strong term. I read the peace and raid still sounds like a strong term but I get to

Bornstein said he was not given a form authorizing the release of the records and signed by the president known as a HIPAA release — which is a violation of patient privacy law. A person familiar with the matter said there was a letter to Bornstein from then-White House doctor Ronny Jackson, but didn't know if there was a release form attached.

There is nothing to back it up but it sounds exactly like our president, this administration, and how the party that supports Trump operates. No benefit of the doubt can be given to any of them when that claim is made. They are the dickhead who cried SUE!

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:09 pm

Remember the analysis of the letter, how people smarter than me identified several ways that the letter was exactly like something drumpf would and has said in the past?

Yeah. I do too. It's funny if it wasn't so dysfunctional. He's seriously broken.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:16 pm

GreenGoo wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 10:09 pm Remember the analysis of the letter, how people smarter than me identified several ways that the letter was exactly like something drumpf would and has said in the past?

Yeah. I do too. It's funny if it wasn't so dysfunctional. He's seriously broken.

If it had been written by his doctor, it would have meant just ridiculous flattery and embarrassing sycophancy.

Written by Trump himself, it means... well, we know exactly what it means.

Once again, though: can you even *imagine* how a weird arrogance like this would have played with President Obama or President Clinton? It would have been the scandal of weeks and weeks.

With Trump, it will be forgotten tomorrow because something worse will erupt before noon.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:37 pm

Zarathud wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 7:58 pm It's almost as if the President had something to hide. Or that investigative journalism could have found out.

Microphallus.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Wed May 02, 2018 8:00 am

LordMortis wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 9:52 pm There is nothing to back it up but it sounds exactly like our president, this administration, and how the party that supports Trump operates.

Meanwhile the DNC and fake media cajoles their followers into making death threats against anyone who dares voice a differing opinion from the demographic party line https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kan ... 14472.html We see how y'all role, meanwhile calling Trump voters every conceivable name in the books. The liberal elite will keep their lily white hands clean, they can get their enforcers out to do their dirty work.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed May 02, 2018 8:07 am

Oh please. Like your hands aren't lily white.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed May 02, 2018 8:34 am

DNC and "fake media" give orders to the Crips?

Not unless they clear it with Soros, dude. You're slipping.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Wed May 02, 2018 8:38 am

Holman wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 8:34 am DNC and "fake media" give orders to the Crips?

Not unless they clear it with Soros, dude. You're slipping.

Of course not, they have a chain of command. Snoop Dog gave the order after it came down from above.......

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed May 02, 2018 8:41 am

Because when the liberal establishment actively chooses a significant public figure to deliver a threat to Kanye, that message would obviously need to be delivered by Snoop Dog's cousin, Daz Dillinger.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Wed May 02, 2018 8:54 am

Skinypupy wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 8:41 am Because when the liberal establishment actively chooses a significant public figure to deliver a threat to Kanye, that message would obviously need to be delivered by Snoop Dog's cousin, Daz Dillinger.

At least he got warned, unlike Seth Rich.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed May 02, 2018 9:20 am

To the wind in particular.

1) Not a democrat. Really only started voting that way in the last 10 years or as my hand gets forced and I'm still resentful for it.
2) Hate the DNC
3) Don't understand the fake media comment, unless it's to accent, that, yep, click through news often make a lot of bold claims that don't pan out when read through "on all sides" and I too often find myself tireless digging in an article just to find support for thesis, more often than not to find it's just an editorial, short on facts.
4) to equate me personally with a non sequitor snipe on something unrelated because I find the GOP and their active and tacit support of the President to be the so horrible that they deserve no benefit of the doubt from me personally any more (and I gave them a lot of rope when it looked deserved or hopeful). Well, again, it's an example of the president, the party of Trump, and the support system operates. No surprises there. That's why there is no conversation

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Wed May 02, 2018 10:11 am

Skinypupy wrote: Tue May 01, 2018 7:54 pm Surprising exactly no one, the crazy doctor now admits that Trump dictated that whole "he would be the healthiest president ever" letter himself.

When Dr. Harold Bornstein described in hyperbolic prose then-candidate Donald Trump's health in 2015, the language he used was eerily similar to the style preferred by his patient.

It turns out the patient himself wrote it, according to Bornstein.

"He dictated that whole letter. I didn't write that letter," Bornstein told CNN on Tuesday. "I just made it up as I went along."

The admission is an about face from his answer more than two years ago when the letter was released and answers one of the lingering questions about the last presidential election. The letter thrust the eccentric Bornstein, with his shoulder-length hair and round eyeglasses, into public view.
Shocking, I tell you!

I have a couple of questions on this. The raid happened in Feb 2017. Why is Dr. Bornstein only revealing this now? If I were a doctor and offended by the raid I would have revealed it right afterwards. And if I didn't want to blab about the raid because I thought I'd get a plum job in the Administration I would have blabbed when I didn't get any job.

And lastly, if I were a reputable doctor I wouldn't have blabbed that I let a presidential candidate write his own medical report because now I've lost all credibility as a doctor. Might as well start calling me Doctor Quack.

So why now? And why blab about letting Trump write the report? And does the medical profession have any legal recourse for revoking his license? I mean, wouldn't NOT punishing him mean letting all doctors who let patients write their own reviews off the hook? Think of all the insurance fraud scams that could create.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Wed May 02, 2018 10:21 am

raydude wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 10:11 am So why now? And why blab about letting Trump write the report? And does the medical profession have any legal recourse for revoking his license? I mean, wouldn't NOT punishing him mean letting all doctors who let patients write their own reviews off the hook? Think of all the insurance fraud scams that could create.

This wasn't an official form or anything submitted to get a life insurance policy. It was essentially a press release. I doubt there's much concern in the medical profession that my doctor is going to issue a debatable press release on my behalf.