Kraken wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 11:02 am
NK gets fresh evidence of how unreliable treaties with the US are
Because NK is reliable?
You can rely on Kim not to give up his nukes based on any deal with Trump (not that I thought there was much chance of that in the first place). Among all the bad names you can call Kim, stupid isn't one of them.
I honestly wonder if they will still go through the summit charade in light of today's news. Presumably each side believes it can still score points in world opinion for painting the other as the obstacle to peace...if that's the goal, I'd give Kim the edge based on sanity and experience.
Fireball wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 11:24 am
But the fact that a deal that does address the most critical issue temporarily but doesn't address every issue is no reason to oppose it.
FTFY
Not really. There is no such thing as a permanent solution here. The only way to address it is to enter into a continuing series of temporary agreements, and you don't negotiate all of those at once. The goal was never to sign this one deal and then when it expired, walk away. It was to sign this deal, which was a solid deal, and then when it was working, use the goodwill from that to negotiate the next deal, and make it a bit better. Diplomacy acts over the course of decades, not months.
Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:17 am
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)
Translation: "In his speech today, Rohani suggested that #Iran could remain in the nuclear deal, despite a likely exit from Washington, "if Europe fulfills all our expectations under the agreement and we are get rid of Trump, otherwise we will get out of the deal. "
When darkness veils the world, four Warriors of Light shall come.
I would say it's a Sophie's Choice when it came to states I'd hate to see blown up by Kim. But then I remember Florida and I realize things wouldn't be THAT bad.
Skinypupy wrote:Translation: "In his speech today, Rohani suggested that #Iran could remain in the nuclear deal, despite a likely exit from Washington, "if Europe fulfills all our expectations under the agreement and we are get rid of Trump, otherwise we will get out of the deal. "
Skinypupy wrote:Translation: "In his speech today, Rohani suggested that #Iran could remain in the nuclear deal, despite a likely exit from Washington, "if Europe fulfills all our expectations under the agreement and we are get rid of Trump, otherwise we will get out of the deal. "
Thank you and sorry for not providing it.
Yeah, I thought it just said "We surrender, and we apologize for doing so."
GreenGoo wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:57 pm
And with those tweets, Obama has guaranteed Drumpf pulls the US out of the deal.
Drumpf is such a petty, stupid and easily manipulated man-child.
It's difficult to see how Obama's tweet and FB post influenced Trump's decision, given that he put them out more than an hour after Trump formally announced America's withdrawal from the JCPOA.
Diplomatic Reception Room
2:13 P.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: My fellow Americans: Today, I want to update the world on our efforts to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.
...
Therefore, I am announcing today that the United States will withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal.
You're not wrong about Trump, though.
"What? What?What?" -- The 14th Doctor
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Max Peck wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 6:13 pm
It's difficult to see how Obama's tweet and FB post influenced Trump's decision, given that he put them out more than an hour after Trump formally announced America's withdrawal from the JCPOA.
Obviously Obama is on UTC time.
Plus, we have always known he could see into the future. He bought that upgrade with his slush money fund.
Obama had already helped him make the decision by dispatching his chamber boy Kerry to stick his nose in it.
It is said to have made the effort of those in the admin pushing for staying in the deal a total waste as that was all DJT needed to hear to toss aside any thoughts of staying in it.
A source inside the White House with knowledge of the decision process tells TheDC that the Iran deal was “done” when Trump found out about Kerry’s lobbying behind the scenes to keep the agreement in place. “Trump was headed that way but Kerry just took away any of the teeth of the detractors,” the source said on background. “[Kerry’s] bulls**t ultimately killed the deal.”
Another source inside the West Wing confirms to TheDC that there was a frantic last-minute lobbying effort to keep the deal in place and that the timing of the Kerry news was “ironic.” The source specifically blames Kerry’s meddling in the process as a key decision point in the calculus for pulling out of the deal.
“It was by no means the reason [Trump] decided to pull out, but it certainly influenced the final decision,” the source continued. “I mean, read the tweets.”
Rip wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 11:11 pm
Obama had already helped him make the decision by dispatching his chamber boy Kerry to stick his nose in it.
It is said to have made the effort of those in the admin pushing for staying in the deal a total waste as that was all DJT needed to hear to toss aside any thoughts of staying in it.
Probably the plan all along. That way next time they get into the Casa Blanco they can send another airliner full of dinero to Iran AGAIN. Repete, por favor!
Rip wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 11:11 pm
Obama had already helped him make the decision by dispatching his chamber boy Kerry to stick his nose in it.
It is said to have made the effort of those in the admin pushing for staying in the deal a total waste as that was all DJT needed to hear to toss aside any thoughts of staying in it.
A source inside the White House with knowledge of the decision process tells TheDC that the Iran deal was “done” when Trump found out about Kerry’s lobbying behind the scenes to keep the agreement in place. “Trump was headed that way but Kerry just took away any of the teeth of the detractors,” the source said on background. “[Kerry’s] bulls**t ultimately killed the deal.”
Another source inside the West Wing confirms to TheDC that there was a frantic last-minute lobbying effort to keep the deal in place and that the timing of the Kerry news was “ironic.” The source specifically blames Kerry’s meddling in the process as a key decision point in the calculus for pulling out of the deal.
“It was by no means the reason [Trump] decided to pull out, but it certainly influenced the final decision,” the source continued. “I mean, read the tweets.”
I didn't need an article to believe it. Like he said look at the tweets. I believed he was making it an easy choice for Trump from the first moment I heard he was out there violating the Logan Act.
Rip wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 11:11 pm
Obama had already helped him make the decision by dispatching his chamber boy Kerry to stick his nose in it being the president who signed the deal.
FTFY
The only reason Trump needs to destroy any piece of American policy is his belief that Obama was for it. If there is one unifying theme to the Trump agenda (aside from kowtowing to Putin), it is his obsession with dismantling anything that Obama accomplished.
"What? What?What?" -- The 14th Doctor
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Rip wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 12:39 am
I didn't need an article to believe it. Like he said look at the tweets. I believed he was making it an easy choice for Trump from the first moment I heard he was out there violating the Logan Act.
So Trump made the decision about an international treaty with decades-long repercussions based on liking or not liking what a political opponent did or didn't do?
That is some top-quality presidenting right there. The Deciderest.
Rip wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 12:39 am
I didn't need an article to believe it. Like he said look at the tweets. I believed he was making it an easy choice for Trump from the first moment I heard he was out there violating the Logan Act.
So Trump made the decision about an international treaty with decades-long repercussions based on liking or not liking what a political opponent did or didn't do?
That is some top-quality presidenting right there. The Deciderest.
I'm sure Trump has a detailed understanding of the deal, and has a plan in place to replace it with something better. Like, I'm totally positive.
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies basked in what they saw as a political victory over Iran, their rival for regional influence, after Washington withdrew from the international nuclear accord with Tehran.
Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies basked in what they saw as a political victory over Iran, their rival for regional influence, after Washington withdrew from the international nuclear accord with Tehran.
There’s very little daylight between Netanyahu and the Saudis on regional political matters.
Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:17 am
Zarathud: The sad thing is that Barak Obama is a very intelligent and articulate person, even when you disagree with his views it's clear that he's very thoughtful. I would have loved to see Obama in a real debate.
Me: Wait 12 years, when he runs for president. :-)
Trump wrote:Senator Cryin’ Chuck Schumer fought hard against the Bad Iran Deal, even going at it with President Obama, & then Voted AGAINST it! Now he says I should not have terminated the deal - but he doesn’t really believe that! Same with Comey. Thought he was terrible until I fired him!
I really wish there were real repercussions for those who continue to perpetrate the myth that Obama "gave" the Iranians a boat load of cash. Every time I read a twitter thread on it some idiot brings it up as a reason why the deal is bad without knowing anything about the deal other than that lie the right wing continues to sell to their base.
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
Remus West wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 12:06 pm
I really wish there were real repercussions for those who continue to perpetrate the myth that Obama "gave" the Iranians a boat load of cash. Every time I read a twitter thread on it some idiot brings it up as a reason why the deal is bad without knowing anything about the deal other than that lie the right wing continues to sell to their base.
Trump wrote:Senator Cryin’ Chuck Schumer fought hard against the Bad Iran Deal, even going at it with President Obama, & then Voted AGAINST it! Now he says I should not have terminated the deal - but he doesn’t really believe that! Same with Comey. Thought he was terrible until I fired him!
#BeBest
Help me out here. What's BeBest mean, and how is it reply to Trump?
Trump wrote:Senator Cryin’ Chuck Schumer fought hard against the Bad Iran Deal, even going at it with President Obama, & then Voted AGAINST it! Now he says I should not have terminated the deal - but he doesn’t really believe that! Same with Comey. Thought he was terrible until I fired him!
#BeBest
Help me out here. What's BeBest mean, and how is it reply to Trump?
That's the anti-bullying hashtag that his wife just announced the other day.
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Tuesday the nuclear deal with Iran could not be preserved without some concessions from Tehran, Reuters reported, citing the Interfax news agency.
However, Ryabkov added that Moscow did not believe the accord could be amended to include limits on Iran’s actions in the Middle East or its ballistic missile program, as has been demanded by US President Donald Trump.
In contravention of UN Security Council resolution, Turkey said to have sold electronic capacitors to Iran that may be used in its nuclear program; equipment made by Jerusalem-based Israeli company that made sale to Turkey unawares; UN opens investigation, asks Israel to do same; manufacturer: 'If shipment found its way to Iran, Turkish buyer misled us.'
Repete, por favor!
