The Former Trump Presidency Thread

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:03 am

Holman wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:53 am
pr0ner wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:18 am Because of course Trump would say this.

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/ ... 9475636224
I wonder if Mueller-averse Republicans are aware that the intelligence agencies of every Western nation are focused like a laser on this administration's dealings with Putin?

Probably not would be my guess. Heads in the sand and all that.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:19 am

Holman wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:53 am I wonder if Mueller-averse Republicans are aware that the intelligence agencies of every Western nation are focused like a laser on this administration's dealings with Putin?

Gawd, I hope so. They (the governments of "the West") may become our last hope for redemption if we end up in a situation where Mueller is forced to fail to finish his investigation. I fear Putin's arm has grown very long indeed...

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:20 am

Too dangerous. I am sure every government is trying to figure out Trump. Our European allies have the most to lose.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:31 am

YellowKing wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:31 am God i wish I had an alternate universe machine that would show me the fallout if Obama had decided to cozy up to Communists.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:18 am

cause having photo ops with a 'reset button' are the same as what Trump is seemingly guilty of, if you can read between the lines of each of Trump's panicked "Phoney Russia Witch Hunt Hoax" tweets and Giuliani's frantic flailing boasts.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:26 am

Unagi wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:18 amGiuliani's frantic flailing boasts.

I could swear that Trump would have reigned in Giuliani by now because he's stealing a lot of the spotlight from his boss. Trump hates to loose ratings. Makes me think Giuliani was given an order to "Get out there and dance like a monkey. Don't let up until we're out of danger."

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:41 am

Carpet_pissr wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:Then you stupid mf'ers went and elected him and my jaw hit the floor.

Rip and his ilk sure stigginit to me. Well done.
Pretty sure they weren’t interested in stigginit to Canadian liberals...unless you had something to do with electing Obama? Then yes.

Well In fairness, they did burn down the White House.

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Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:42 am

Unagi wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:18 am cause having photo ops with a 'reset button' are the same as what Trump is seemingly guilty of, if you can read between the lines of each of Trump's panicked "Phoney Russia Witch Hunt Hoax" tweets and Giuliani's frantic flailing boasts.

First the last thing you want to do is start a discussion of reading between the lines. That is the epitome of how fake news is created.

Second, it was hardly just a photo op.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/th ... fact-sheet

Even HRC realized it was blowing up in their faces.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 0af3cc88b9

For Clinton, the rhetoric reflects genuine disappointment and frustration from a tumultuous term as secretary of state during which cooperation between Moscow and Washington briefly soared, only to come crashing to Earth after Putin’s reelection as president in 2012 following a four-year hiatus, according to current and former U.S. officials involved in Russian policymaking at the time. Clinton, who began her tenure by famously offering a “reset” of Russian relations, would end it by publicly blasting Putin’s government on issues including alleged vote-rigging in Russia and Putin’s support for Syria’s authoritarian president, Bashar al-Assad.

Putin would fire back with repeated attacks against her, often injecting an unusually personal tone into the growing diplomatic rift. The exchanges helped cement an adversarial view of Clinton on the Russian side that may explain, more than any other single factor, the apparent efforts by Russian operatives to influence the election by hacking email accounts of senior Clinton staff members, longtime Kremlin observers say.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:52 am

The reset button photo was 2009, so there was three years before Putin tanked it once he got back to the presidency.

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:36 am

Wow Rip. I wish you could hear yourself in defending Drumpf like this.

How deep does he need to take Putin's dick exactly before you realize you were conned into voting a Russian asset into the Presidency?

Not only did the self proclaimed winners of the Cold War leave the gates open for the Russians to wander right in, but they were waiting for them with blankets and vodka.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:48 am

Sepiche wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:36 am How deep does he need to take Putin's dick exactly before you realize you were conned into voting a Russian asset into the Presidency?

I don't think they will ever see it as they were conned. They think "Great! So Russia was paying for adverting and sabotaging in all the right ways! The Great businessman! Russia is now our friend, protecting us from socialism and we are using them." and they happily endorse NO COLLUSION.

When they see Trump become an autocrat supported by a Congress that gets in line, they blame the democrats for laying the ground work for authoritarianism and then praise Trump for using it for AMERICA!

They aren't being conned. They're thralls. Thugs in a nearly literal sense of the word. If they were Hindi Indian it would be literal.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:53 am

Sigh.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1005060680993656832

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:55 am

I'm not defending him. I think allowing Russia back into the G-7(8) would be a huge mistake. I am just pointing out that he isn't the first moron to think they could get Russia to play nice.

I was the one who wanted to go after Russia full force after the Crimea invasion. All I saw from you guys was shrugs and comments about how we couldn't really do much.

If we couldn't do much about them invading and annexing territories I fail to see what we could do to properly punish them for what they are doing now.

In fact I would submit that much of what they did as far as election interference was a direct result of largely getting a pass for what should have been considered an act of war.

Not surprisingly we still aren't really doing anything that causes them the slightest bit of fear. Just a lot of big talk with nothing to back it up.

Daveman · Post by **Daveman** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:58 am

I think he likes pardoning people because it's the most king-like activity he can do as president. People come asking for his help, he waves his hand and it happens... so long as it helps deliver a message or involves photo ops with celebrities.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:00 pm

If I read Rip's message right, he believes the problem with the "reset" was that it failed and that Russia and the U.S. returned to a pre-reset adversarial stance, with us criticizing Russia for rights violations and its support of the butcher Assad and Puting back to badmouthing the U.S.

So where does that leave us now? Rip presumably prefers Trump's approach to HRC's. Obviously we don't see Putin and Trump criticizing each other... and that's the win?

Russia has gotten worse and has become emboldened, and Trump is doing everything he can to reward them for it. In the meantime Trump has played into Putin's hands by weakening our alliances and clearing space for him and parties he supports to make gains in Europe. Is THAT the win?

It's a win for someone, certainly...

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:07 pm

Rip wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:55 am I'm not defending him. I think allowing Russia back into the G-7(8) would be a huge mistake. I am just pointing out that he isn't the first moron to think they could get Russia to play nice.

I was the one who wanted to go after Russia full force after the Crimea invasion. All I saw from you guys was shrugs and comments about how we couldn't really do much.

If we couldn't do much about them invading and annexing territories I fail to see what we could do to properly punish them for what they are doing now.

In fact I would submit that much of what they did as far as election interference was a direct result of largely getting a pass for what should have been considered an act of war.

Not surprisingly we still aren't really doing anything that causes them the slightest bit of fear. Just a lot of big talk with nothing to back it up.

Goalposts.

In 2009, trying to engage with Russia was about trying to establish new terms on a thoroughly Western basis after the Bush administration had basically thrown up its hands about Moscow. The reset was the soft-power counterpart to an expanded NATO. It was an attempt to bring Russia in from the cold.

In 2017-18, rolling over and giving Russia everything it wants on sanctions and spying and Syria and the G-7 is *very* different. It's clear that Trump is doing everything he can to make Putin happy on Putin's terms.

Surely you can see the difference between the two.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:13 pm

Rip wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:55 am I'm not defending him.

Can't play that game today. I think I got burnt out playing it with the other side yesterday.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:15 pm

pr0ner wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:53 am Sigh.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1005060680993656832

Pardon him for what, exactly?

President Donald Trump said Friday he was considering granting a posthumous pardon for Muhammad Ali — prompting a lawyer for his estate and family to say thanks, but no thanks: The boxing great had his criminal conviction overturned by the Supreme Court nearly 50 years ago.

"We appreciate President Trump's sentiment, but a pardon is unnecessary. The U.S. Supreme Court overturned the conviction of Muhammad Ali in a unanimous decision in 1971," Ron Tweel, who has represented Ali and his family since 1986, told NBC News. "There is no conviction from which a pardon is needed."

Toddler, new toy, etc.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:19 pm

Daveman wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:58 am I think he likes pardoning people because it's the most king-like activity he can do as president. People come asking for his help, he waves his hand and it happens... so long as it helps deliver a message or involves photo ops with celebrities.

Except that Muhammad Ali doesn't have anything to pardon. His conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court.

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:26 pm

Rip wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:55 am I was the one who wanted to go after Russia full force after the Crimea invasion. All I saw from you guys was shrugs and comments about how we couldn't really do much.

If we couldn't do much about them invading and annexing territories I fail to see what we could do to properly punish them for what they are doing now.

In fact I would submit that much of what they did as far as election interference was a direct result of largely getting a pass for what should have been considered an act of war.

Not surprisingly we still aren't really doing anything that causes them the slightest bit of fear. Just a lot of big talk with nothing to back it up.

So obviously the solution is the elect a Russian sympathizer to try to undermine the western alliance and roll back the sanctions we put in place after they annexed Crimea? Rip that doesn't even make any sense and you know your grasping at straws. Pretend it's Obama's fault all you want, but Obama isn't the one who was aided by Russia every step of his election, and Obama isn't the one in office now trying to *reward* Russia for annexing Crimea.

Surely there must be a tiny shred of the old Republican that you used to be that's screaming inside because it's clear now your champion sold our country out, right?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:32 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:19 pm
Daveman wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:58 am I think he likes pardoning people because it's the most king-like activity he can do as president. People come asking for his help, he waves his hand and it happens... so long as it helps deliver a message or involves photo ops with celebrities.
Except that Muhammad Ali doesn't have anything to pardon. His conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court.

Plus let's just pause over the whole idea.

Trump was going to pardon Ali for taking a difficult, principled stand against Vietnam and refusing to be drafted.

At least he didn't kneel during the national anthem, though. That would have deserved deportation.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:53 pm

#FamousDeadBlackLivesMatter

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:01 pm

Rip wrote:
Unagi wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:18 am cause having photo ops with a 'reset button' are the same as what Trump is seemingly guilty of, if you can read between the lines of each of Trump's panicked "Phoney Russia Witch Hunt Hoax" tweets and Giuliani's frantic flailing boasts.
First the last thing you want to do is start a discussion of reading between the lines. That is the epitome of how fake news is created.

Second, it was hardly just a photo op.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/th ... fact-sheet

Even HRC realized it was blowing up in their faces.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 0af3cc88b9

For Clinton, the rhetoric reflects genuine disappointment and frustration from a tumultuous term as secretary of state during which cooperation between Moscow and Washington briefly soared, only to come crashing to Earth after Putin’s reelection as president in 2012 following a four-year hiatus, according to current and former U.S. officials involved in Russian policymaking at the time. Clinton, who began her tenure by famously offering a “reset” of Russian relations, would end it by publicly blasting Putin’s government on issues including alleged vote-rigging in Russia and Putin’s support for Syria’s authoritarian president, Bashar al-Assad.

Putin would fire back with repeated attacks against her, often injecting an unusually personal tone into the growing diplomatic rift. The exchanges helped cement an adversarial view of Clinton on the Russian side that may explain, more than any other single factor, the apparent efforts by Russian operatives to influence the election by hacking email accounts of senior Clinton staff members, longtime Kremlin observers say.

Didn’t you take your ball and go home?

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:19 pm

DONALD TRUMP To NFL Players ...TELL ME WHO I SHOULD PARDON!

Trump was speaking with reporters in front of the White House when he talked about his new plan to help determine who should be pardoned.

"What I'm thinking to do, you have a lot of people in the NFL in particular ... they're not proud enough to stand for our national anthem ..."

"I'm gonna ask all of those people to recommend to me ... people that they think were unfairly treated by the justice system and I'm gonna ask them to recommend to me, people that were unfairly treated, friends of theirs or people that they know about and im gonna take a look at those applications."

"And if I find and my committee finds that they were unfairly treated, then we will pardon them or at least let them out."

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:20 pm

Trump so badly wants to be loved. He views the world like a child.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:21 pm

He has a committee?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:22 pm

Moliere wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:19 pm DONALD TRUMP To NFL Players ...TELL ME WHO I SHOULD PARDON!

Trump was speaking with reporters in front of the White House when he talked about his new plan to help determine who should be pardoned.

"What I'm thinking to do, you have a lot of people in the NFL in particular ... they're not proud enough to stand for our national anthem ..."

"I'm gonna ask all of those people to recommend to me ... people that they think were unfairly treated by the justice system and I'm gonna ask them to recommend to me, people that were unfairly treated, friends of theirs or people that they know about and im gonna take a look at those applications."

"And if I find and my committee finds that they were unfairly treated, then we will pardon them or at least let them out."

Good lord. "You guys are a bunch of criminals, right? You must know people looking for pardons."

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:23 pm

Scoop20906 wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:21 pm He has a committee?

There is a pardon committee in the executive branch, which traditionally handles pardon requests. Trump has largely done whatever he wanted and ignored the committee, but it exists. It's not really "his" committee, though.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:24 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:21 pm He has a committee?
There is a pardon committee in the executive branch, which traditionally handles pardon requests. Trump has largely done whatever he wanted and ignored the committee, but it exists. It's not really "his" committee, though.

I got the feeling he wasn’t referring to the pardon committee. Pretty sure he is unaware it exists.

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LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:29 pm

Moliere wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:19 pm DONALD TRUMP To NFL Players ...TELL ME WHO I SHOULD PARDON!

Trump was speaking with reporters in front of the White House when he talked about his new plan to help determine who should be pardoned.

"What I'm thinking to do, you have a lot of people in the NFL in particular ... they're not proud enough to stand for our national anthem ..."

"I'm gonna ask all of those people to recommend to me ... people that they think were unfairly treated by the justice system and I'm gonna ask them to recommend to me, people that were unfairly treated, friends of theirs or people that they know about and im gonna take a look at those applications."

"And if I find and my committee finds that they were unfairly treated, then we will pardon them or at least let them out."

Did the TMZ go straight to Onion? I...

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:31 pm

I wanna see the NFL players act like the prisoners in Life of Brian giving the guards made up names.

What's so funny about Biggus Dickus?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:42 pm

hepcat wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:31 pm I wanna see the NFL players act like the prisoners in Life of Brian giving the guards made up names.

What's so funny about Biggus Dickus?

He has a wife you know?

Releath Dickith Butkith
Wewease Antwon Wandew ew

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:46 pm

LordMortis wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:42 pm Wewease Antwon Wandew ew

I'm a terrible person for laughing at that part.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:50 pm

They should say Colin Kaepernick. Then maybe Trump will have to admit that he didn't commit any crime that requires pardoning.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:16 pm

Remus West wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:46 pm
LordMortis wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:42 pm Wewease Antwon Wandew ew
I'm a terrible person for laughing at that part.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:31 pm

So, we're pardoning the innocent now. Perhaps we can arrange for pre-pardons - Presidential indulgences!

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:29 pm

Lets see what kind of shit storm this idiot creates today at the summit. He already sent me into a rage with the whole Russia thing. How much more transparent does he need to be before something is done about him? I'm guessing nothing will stop this madness except for an election.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:46 pm

WaPo

Trump lobbed what amounted to a diplomatic stink bomb as he left the White House for the annual two-day G-7 summit, where he arrived late and planned to leave early.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:59 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:46 pm WaPo

Trump lobbed what amounted to a diplomatic stink bomb as he left the White House for the annual two-day G-7 summit, where he arrived late and planned to leave early.

“Now, I love our country. I have been Russia’s worst nightmare,”

:emoticon of index finger pointing up, mouth agape, but no words coming out:

Edit... Finds others words...

Mar 21, 2018 01:56:14 PM I called President Putin of Russia to congratulate him on his election victory (in past, Obama called him also). The Fake News Media is crazed because they wanted me to excoriate him. They are wrong! Getting along with Russia (and others) is a good thing, not a bad thing

Nov 11, 2017 07:43:36 PM Does the Fake News Media remember when Crooked Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State, was begging Russia to be our friend with the misspelled reset button? Obama tried also, but he had zero chemistry with Putin.

Nov 11, 2017 07:16:05 PM Met with President Putin of Russia who was at #APEC meetings. Good discussions on Syria. Hope for his help to solve, along with China the dangerous North Korea crisis.

Jul 9, 2017 07:31:23 AM Sanctions were not discussed at my meeting with President Putin. Nothing will be done until the Ukrainian & Syrian problems are solved!

Jul 9, 2017 06:31:22 AM I strongly pressed President Putin twice about Russian meddling in our election. He vehemently denied it. I've already given my opinion.....

Mar 3, 2017 12:54:30 PM We should start an immediate investigation into @SenSchumer and his ties to Russia and Putin. A total hypocrite!

Dec 30, 2016 02:41:33 PM Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!

Jul 25, 2016 06:31:22 AM The new joke in town is that Russia leaked the disastrous DNC e-mails, which should never have been written (stupid), because Putin likes me

...

Ok words. I tried to search for Russia rather than Putin but holy shit digging through witch hunt noise is just too much.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:02 pm

Octavious wrote:Lets see what kind of shit storm this idiot creates today at the summit. He already sent me into a rage with the whole Russia thing. How much more transparent does he need to be before something is done about him? I'm guessing nothing will stop this madness except for an election.

Actually an election being the only way to stop him is a great thing. It put the power on the people hands (and the Russian hackers).