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Every now and then I thought I might post my memories on a store I loved that is no longer around. Please feel free to post your memories of any store I post about or post your own store thoughts.

Today for me I was thinking back to Waldenbooks. Basically the mall based bookstore for a good while before it's end.

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This is not my mall's Waldenbooks but gives you an idea of it's look.
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Got my mind on this store because I wanted to simply view it's old website on the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine. But I couldn't get anything to load. At least nothing from the 1990's I tried. So I decided to simply post a bit of my history with the store. I first recall Waldenbooks from around 1989. Me and my wife started going to the newest local mall which at that time was the largest in TN. 2 floors actually. And it had 2 Waldenbooks in it. A larger one downstairs on one end and a smaller one upstairs on the other side. Now when I say large I dont mean Barnes & Nobel large. No no :) Im speaking of a normal sized store about maybe like an Applebees.

I visited religiously from 1989 to around 1996. I went to both every trip to the mall which was sometimes twice a week. Each store of course carried a lot of the same but they also might have stuff the other didn't. Plus both were staffed with very friendly and helpful workers. I dont have a single bad memory of the stores.

Back then I was a HUGE Star Trek fan. In 88 and 89 I started reading the Trek books from the 70s and 80s. At one point I bought a stack of about 25 books from a used book store at a quarter each. I had that stack months. Sometimes Id read one a night and others Id enjoy for a week. Thats how much I loved books and Trek in particular.

So back to Waldenbooks. I fell in love on first sight with these stores. Books as far as I could see. Not only books but my other reading hunger....PC magazines. Hardware, software, and most important, gaming! I could easily spend an hour in the store and always left with something even if Id just visited 3 or 4 days before...every week! I was about age 20 when I found the stores. I had no computer yet. In fact when I got my first PC in 1994 thats when my reading started to die...and it died pretty quick. But the PC was not the only reason.

Books started to creep up in price and Star Trek started making many more shows and themes into series of books. No longer was there simply TOS I was now dealing with STTNG, DS9, with Voyager coming and Engineers and so much. I was buying or seeing 3 or so new books each month. I could not get all those books plus PC stuff. Not only Trek though. My reading expanded to Star Wars when I found the Thrawn books. But back to Waldenbooks.

As you entered a Waldenbooks they had cardboard displays holding the new releases in them. I found them a great way to quickly see what was new for the month and save time. I actually liked them so well and knew the folks who worked there so well they started giving them too me. I used them in my own home until they became too crowded. I still have them all packed away though.

This is what they look like. All had their own graphics.
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Another time at the Waldenbooks upstairs they had this HUGE starship Enterprise hanging from the ceiling. It was cardboard but was fully 3d. I had to have it! Lucky me they told me of it's giveaway when the promo was over and pointed me to the box to sign up. To this day Im not sure if it was because they knew me pretty well or luck but I won it and I hung it over my bed. The thing is the size of a queen sized bed but is assembled in parts. Have it still but stored flat.

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But things change and as I said I stopped buying and reading altogether by 1996. It would be 4 years before I bought another book. Oh Id visit and look and remember sometimes. Waldenbooks was never far from my mind.

Then in 2000 Icewind Dale came out on PC. I loved that game so much. Enough to actually have me look up the books on it. I went back to my old Waldenbooks love and found R.A. Salvatore's The Icewind Dale Trilogy. Amazing to read. He does fight scenes like no one else. So I was back in the reading fold again. I had both worlds..PC and books. I read the Dark Elf saga and all other of his works. This went on until 2002 and The Thousand Orcs came out. I loved it but I wanted to wait until the entire The Hunters Blade trilogy released. Two more books. Im not sure why but I never got those books or back to reading.

But Waldenbooks was a sweet store and still a wonderful memory for me. Shelves full of books like a library but I could own them. Brightly well lit stores. friendly knowing employees. Great prices and always something on sale. Magazines that I loved. And it was all in the mall that me and my wife loved and visited so much.

I guess its no surprise when I look back and see them struggle and die. I had not gone in at least 8 years. the internet was huge in the 90s so by 2010 it was of course killing off a lot of stuff. It still surprised me a little back then. I saw the rise of giant book stores like Barnes and Nobel and also Books A Million come to town. I was thinking books were a big thing still. I didn't consider Amazon. I love the feel of a book, the smell. I loved to thumb through them and read the forwards and stuff. Waldenbooks was a dream factory. I just had to go in and find a new adventure. And even though Ive only bought magazines in the last 15 years really I still miss Waldenbooks. The times around those days.

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Hope you've enjoyed this post. There are other stores Id like to post about. This just came right out of my head. If I do another store or stores I will try to plan out the writing and pics ahead of time. If you want more let me know. They are more about my memories and my life than the stores themselves of course.
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My first real job was clerking at a Waldenbooks.

If it's any consolation (or confirmation of the death of independence or innocence or whatever), Waldenbooks was owned by a major corporate giant the whole time you knew them. (Kmart IIRC.)
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I loved both Walden books and B. Dalton. My mother raised us to love reading, and they also helped kill a lot of time while waiting for my mom to finish shopping.
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I just assumed this would be about Toys 'R' Us.

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I remember Waldenbooks as the place we went for the occasional AD&D books, along with other pen and paper games. I remember it fondly.
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I completely forgot about Waldenbooks.

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I worked for B Dalton for 6 years, starting as a receiving clerk and finishing as an assistant regional manager. Also served a few months as a Waldenbooks clerk while waiting for B Dalton to open a store for me. Managers in chain bookstores had very little input on their stock selection, but we did have discretion over "local buying," and I was able to find a local supplier for AD&D stuff. Every bookstore sold the manuals at the time (1980s), but mine was the only local store with a full selection of modules.
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I really enjoyed Waldenbooks stores. As others have said, it was my goto place for D&D and fantasy games/books. I miss it.
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The store I'll always miss is the flagship Virgin Megastore in London.

Back in the late eighties to nineties, it was glorious; a massive superstore crammed full of music, books, games, and entertainment. My friends and I would spend hours in there almost every weekend, as there was a seemingly endless bounty of new and exciting products waiting to be discovered.
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Unagi wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:50 am I just assumed this would be about Toys 'R' Us.

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I guess Canada hasn't grown up yet, because thanks to European investors, the Canadian arm of the company will stay open.
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I'm kind of amazed that Radio Shack is still hanging on... though this may be the year that Sears finally bites the bullet.
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Ive seen stores come and go in my own lifetime but stores that have been around a century or at least older than me by a long shot I never thought Id see that happens...Sears, Kmart, Radio Shack, Circuit City and others. Its amazing how short a time the internet and computers changed so much.
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I don't remember if it was Waldenbooks or B. Dalton but I remember the mall bookstore jumping hard on the Magic the Gathering bandwagon at the worst possible time - the release of the Fallen Empires expansion.

I still remember the giant pyramid of unsold boxes behind the counter. It seems part of the problem was Wizards of the Coast.
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It seems if they could have just held out for 20 years they could fetch a decent price now.
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I was in other mall bookstores before Waldens but I cant remember their names. Hell they were probably Waldens but I was a small kid and didn't pay attention to the name.

I just recalled another big reason I gave up books. It got to where I could not find single story books. Every book series I loved at the time had become multi book stories. Want a good Trek or fantasy story completed in one book?..Sorry ya gotta buy 3 - 5 or more books. Ya that doesn't fly with me after a while.
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Daehawk wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:09 pm I just recalled another big reason I gave up books. It got to where I could not find single story books. Every book series I loved at the time had become multi book stories. Want a good Trek or fantasy story completed in one book?..Sorry ya gotta buy 3 - 5 or more books. Ya that doesn't fly with me after a while.
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What, no Blockbuster?
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The one I grew up on in Ann Arbor is now an independent bookstore so there's that.
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Fedco.

Waldenbooks, B Dalton. Best .
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Jaymann wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:38 pm What, no Blockbuster?
Not a lot I can say about Blockbuster. I did not rent there much. They were too high compared to local mom and pop shops and on the other side of town.
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Blockbuster was too brightly lit. I couldn't browse for more than 20 minutes in there.
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Kraken wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:34 am Blockbuster was too brightly lit. I couldn't browse for more than 20 minutes in there.
Yeah, the adult videostores had much better indirect lighting.
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And today is the day I learn that Babbage's turned into GameStop.
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With all the Waldenbook posts I'm surprised no one has mentioned Waldensoftware. Back in the golden age of PC gaming that was one of the few actual physical stores I could go into and browse for PC games. Videogame stores were still squarely focused on console games. I bought Civilization, Star Control, Wing Commander and plenty others at Waldensoftware.

My 2nd ever job in high school was at a KB Toys, during Christmas. Those stores were too small and cramped for what they carried. Keeping the aisles clean was a nightmare.
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Suitably Ironic Moniker wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:22 am
Kraken wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:34 am Blockbuster was too brightly lit. I couldn't browse for more than 20 minutes in there.
Yeah, the adult videostores had much better indirect lighting.
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I remember Walden going from a mediocre (but convenient) bookstore to nearly book-free shit shop resembling a Hallmark store. I did make a point of stopping there every time I was at the mall because although they never had a games section among their non-book things, occasionally an Avalon Hill game (or similar) would appear in the garbage close-out bin. I think I got Kremlin for like $5.
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I bought Van Halen I; it was the best damn record I ever owned. TG&Y, 1978.
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wonderpug wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:40 am I completely forgot about Waldenbooks.

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Fretmute wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:59 pm TG&Y, 1978.
Whe the TG&Y in my hometown closed they must have had a killer deal on pencils because my dad bought a LOT of pencils. I still have several unopened packages that must be 30 years old now.
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Kay-Bee was great. best place to get 'some-years-out-of-date' toys for cheap - i remember buying a bunch of Starriors for like, what was it, 75 cents each? and the 99 cent Atari 2600 game bin...
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I seem like I recall that I got my 360 from KayBee because they were the only folks who had it in stock online.
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Speaking of lighting, I find the lighting to be quite harsh in stores these days. Always so bright.
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Fretmute wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:59 pm I bought Van Halen I; it was the best damn record I ever owned. TG&Y, 1978.
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Oh, and that reminds me of A&P.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:27 pm Oh, and that reminds me of A&P.
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I realize that this is probably a thread for everyone to remember popular stores that are closed now and everyone is sad about it, but I am going to go in a different direction.

When I was a wee person, there was what we would come to call a "strip mall" near my house. It was anchored by a Farmer Jack and a convenience store that did not gouge the fuck out of you called Tri-Daly. Neither of those stores exist anymore. Neither does the book store that I used to frequent in the same bunch of stores. This is a good thing. If you try hard enough you can probably identify the store I'm talking about. Adjacent to Lona's Pizza (which is also gone, to everyone's detriment).

As a kid I enjoyed going to the boring grocery store because that usually meant I also got to go to the bookstore. It was one of those bookstores with rows barely wide enough to fit a skinny person. No adult today could navigate those shelves!

The problem was the owner. This guy hated everyone. Especially kids. That store was full of all kinds of books I was interested in. The problem was that the "owner" (don't know if that's true, I was single-digit aged) would yell at you and tell you to get out if you stood in an aisle for too long. You know, as one might do if you were reading plot synopses and trying to find authors among the stacks.

As soon as the mall opened up a few miles away I was more than happy to go to B. Dalton's and Waldenbooks to escape that insane weirdo. They held on a few more years but eventually they folded due to the competition (and I hope better customer service).

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Media Play was my favorite. When we were first married and had no money, Mrs. Skinypupy and I would go into Media Play every weekend and spend at least an hour just looking around at stuff we wished we could buy, listening to their CD listening stations, reading books, etc. The entertainment possibilities there were endless. They would have these huge racks of PC games, all broken out into genres (an RPG rack, a FPS rack, a Strategy rack, a Sports rack, etc.). I must have flipped over damn near every box there to look at the screenshots on the back.

When I finally started having some disposable income, nearly my entire entertainment budget was spent there. They had an especially good anime DVD section that I hit up weekly.

To this day, I get hit with a wave of Media Play nostalgia when I go into any of the big box stores. It was easily my favorite store for the better part of a decade. Here's a store tour from 1997...glorious.

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The world changes. A generation from now, the concept of a "store" where you go to buy things might be completely obsolete.

I was talking with wife yesterday about "mall culture" in the 1980s. Growing up as a Brooklynite, she had no real connection with the malls except as settings in teen movies. I grew up in the suburbs in the heyday of the suburban mall, however, so my whole early-to-mid-adolescence is connected to spending time hopping stores and seeing-and-being-seen in the wide corridors between them. Around Atlanta, especially, there was a strict and definite class (and geographic) hierarchy to the malls dotting the metro area.

Most of all, of course, malls were where the video-game arcades happened. Someday soon, physical stores will be to us what arcades are now.
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Holman wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:17 pm The world changes. A generation from now, the concept of a "store" where you go to buy things might be completely obsolete.

I was talking with wife yesterday about "mall culture" in the 1980s. Growing up as a Brooklynite, she had no real connection with the malls except as settings in teen movies. I grew up in the suburbs in the heyday of the suburban mall, however, so my whole early-to-mid-adolescence is connected to spending time hopping stores and seeing-and-being-seen in the wide corridors between them. Around Atlanta, especially, there was a strict and definite class (and geographic) hierarchy to the malls dotting the metro area.

Most of all, of course, malls were where the video-game arcades happened. Someday soon, physical stores will be to us what arcades are now.
Shopping as recreation or socialization might fall away, but some products and services are still best seen in stores -- shoes come to mind; unless the industry standardizes sizing across brands, one must try them on. The same is true of most clothing. I've been hearing about mass-customization delivering bespoke clothing to the plebes for years, and yet it's perpetually just around the corner. Luxuries like jewelry need a tactile connection. People like to see a television picture before they shell out big bucks for it. Same with high-end audio. Stores will surely get knocked back -- that's already happening -- but they will always have a niche.

I loved record stores when LPs ruled the earth and cover art was, well, art. I have a T-shirt from a college used-and-new record store called Flat, Black, & Circular. That store managed to hang on somehow until just a few years ago.
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killbot737 wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:02 pm I realize that this is probably a thread for everyone to remember popular stores that are closed now and everyone is sad about it, but I am going to go in a different direction.

When I was a wee person, there was what we would come to call a "strip mall" near my house. It was anchored by a Farmer Jack and a convenience store that did not gouge the fuck out of you called Tri-Daly.
Holy shite killy, we must have been neighbors - grew up at Wilson and John Daly until I moved to Houston in '92. :) Small world...
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