<meme="Inigo Montoya">You used the word former. I don't think it means what you think it means.</meme>Zarathud wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:39 pm Aside from the accusations, Kavanaugh's appearance on the talk circuit politicized his already political appointment of a former political operative to the SCOTUS.
He's not only toxic but willing to harm the Supreme Court to advance his cause. Disqualified.
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Inconceivable!Max Peck wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:16 pm<meme="Inigo Montoya">You used the word former. I don't think it means what you think it means.</meme>Zarathud wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:39 pm Aside from the accusations, Kavanaugh's appearance on the talk circuit politicized his already political appointment of a former political operative to the SCOTUS.
He's not only toxic but willing to harm the Supreme Court to advance his cause. Disqualified.
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Better summary of the craziness that continues,
https://twitter.com/eschor/status/1045141240205971456
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His opening remarks when nominated politicized this from the get go.Zarathud wrote:Aside from the accusations, Kavanaugh's appearance on the talk circuit politicized his already political appointment of a former political operative to the SCOTUS.
He's not only toxic but willing to harm the Supreme Court to advance his cause. Disqualified.
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Lovely. #iamkanvanaughEnough wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:11 pmBetter summary of the craziness that continues,
https://twitter.com/eschor/status/1045141240205971456
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I honestly don't know why the GOP is going through with a show. They're dead set that this guy is passing. He could walk in, flip everyone the finger, moon the press, sit down with a beer in hand, and McConnell would stand to applaud him.
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Well it's just started, but apparently it's so Chuck Grassley has a chance to look as dickish, condescending, and hostile as possible in his opening remarks.Paingod wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:53 am I honestly don't know why the GOP is going through with a show.
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Well, given that opening statement by Grassley, it's no wonder why they got someone else to question ford.
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Holman wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:20 amWell it's just started, but apparently it's so Chuck Grassley has a chance to look as dickish, condescending, and hostile as possible in his opening remarks.Paingod wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:53 am I honestly don't know why the GOP is going through with a show.
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You've got to admit, that would be pretty bad ass.Paingod wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:53 am I honestly don't know why the GOP is going through with a show. They're dead set that this guy is passing. He could walk in, flip everyone the finger, moon the press, sit down with a beer in hand, and McConnell would stand to applaud him.
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I believed her already.... but I just wanna say that Ford is looking to be amazingly credible.
And her story sounds entirely real.
And her story sounds entirely real.
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I also believe her.
There's really nothing the GOP can ask except to try and nitpick tiny details to make it look mis-remembered, but I don't think they'll be able to sway anything about this with any significance.
*Edit: How is asking for copies so they can follow along being "rudely interrupted" ... ??
There's really nothing the GOP can ask except to try and nitpick tiny details to make it look mis-remembered, but I don't think they'll be able to sway anything about this with any significance.
*Edit: How is asking for copies so they can follow along being "rudely interrupted" ... ??
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I think he was making a joke about his intern, or something. Everyone laughed, from what I could see.*Edit: How is asking for copies so they can follow along being "rudely interrupted" ... ??
Grassley, however, should shut up. He keeps on coming off as a jerk.
Mitchell, on the other hand, is acting very professionally, IMO (at least, she doesn't come off as attacking her in any way), but she hasn't been very effective in terms of trying to discredit the story, just in fleshing out a few details to the incident.
On Fivethirtyeight, it was also pointed out how the five minute intervals hurt her ability of gaining any momentum.
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And yeah, Ford comes off incredibly credible and sympathetic.
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In all the hubbub, I initially scanned that post to read that two men had come forward accusing Kava'bra of sexual misconduct.
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If this moment isn't listed in future history books as a flashpoint in American culture and society, I will be amazed. I honestly cannot believe what I'm hearing and seeing today. How they continued with all this after Dr. Ford's opening statement is unreal.
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If the GOP moves forward with the nomination after this, they really will have given up any pretense of decency. Ford's testimony was searing-- she was brave, emotional, powerful. I'm guessing the GOP is regretting holding this hearing, but maybe I'm seeing this all through sympathetic eyes. I'm guessing republicans saw her testimony differently.
And hiring a prosecutor to basically cross-examine her and try to catch her in a lie? So shameful. She's a victim, not a criminal. And if they goal was to get to the facts, order an investigation and subpoena other witnesses.
It's insane that Ford has had to go through this, but I'm glad that she didn't shirk from the moment.
And hiring a prosecutor to basically cross-examine her and try to catch her in a lie? So shameful. She's a victim, not a criminal. And if they goal was to get to the facts, order an investigation and subpoena other witnesses.
It's insane that Ford has had to go through this, but I'm glad that she didn't shirk from the moment.
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Same here. This is big history we are watching - with either direction it goes. Her opening statement and even her answers to all the questions... I can't imagine this nomination still going forward, and I keep being told "Oh, it's going forward".Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:57 am If this moment isn't listed in future history books as a flashpoint in American culture and society, I will be amazed. I honestly cannot believe what I'm hearing and seeing today. How they continued with all this after Dr. Ford's opening statement is unreal.
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I'm confident it will only get worse.Smoove_B wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:57 am If this moment isn't listed in future history books as a flashpoint in American culture and society, I will be amazed. I honestly cannot believe what I'm hearing and seeing today. How they continued with all this after Dr. Ford's opening statement is unreal.
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This. I'm caught wondering whether their intention was to catch Ford in a lie, or to move the focus off of the actual R Senators in terms of who's doing the 'hard' questioning (it's election season, after all). Either way, it's true that if their goal was to actually get to the truth, this is not the forum for that. They opted to nuke that option in favor of rushing to a vote.Captain Caveman wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:04 pmAnd hiring a prosecutor to basically cross-examine her and try to catch her in a lie? So shameful. She's a victim, not a criminal. And if they goal was to get to the facts, order an investigation and subpoena other witnesses.
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Is Mitchell trying to discredit Ford by referencing Ford's fear of flying and then listing Ford's air travel? She obviously doesn't have PTSD because of travel to exotic locales? What the fuck?
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Wow, the questioning by mitchell has gotten a little bizarre. Especially going after her fear of flying? Is this really the best use of her five minutes?
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Mitchell is trying to discredit her with this fear of flying line of question. It's insane and appalling.
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Also desperate and ineffectual, in my opinion.Captain Caveman wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:09 pm Mitchell is trying to discredit her with this fear of flying line of question. It's insane and appalling.
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The Toddler In Chief is probably telling whoever is listening "Well, for a person who is" traumatized" and is afraid to fly she sure has flown to some nice places".
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Boy, Grassley sure likes to interject between each speaker with any straw he can grasp to potentially say that his oversight hasn't been #Barkleyturrible. Doesn't come off very well.
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I think this was premature, given all the absurd questions "Did you fly to arrive here?", "Why did you seek a lawyer?", "Where did you take the polygraph?"Defiant wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:35 am
Mitchell, on the other hand, is acting very professionally, IMO (at least, she doesn't come off as attacking her in any way)
I mean, it wasn't so much an attack the way Grassley comes off, but it seems irrelevant and/or unprofessional.
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Kavanaugh is toast.
I’ve only been listening for the last 25 minutes or so, but it seems like all of Mitchell’s questioning goes to process issues (when did you come forward, when did you retain counsel, did you know the committee was willing to come to you in CA, why did you take a polygraph, etc, etc).
None of this goes to to the credibility of her allegations. This is really weak, weak stuff.
Maybe there were some tougher more substantive questioning earlier, but if this is the best the Republicans have, it’s not at all impressive.
I agree with everyone who has opined that Ford comes off as credible and sincere. She’s also very likeable. Doesn’t cone across as any kind of zealot.
I think the Republicans are going to regret this hearing.
I’ve only been listening for the last 25 minutes or so, but it seems like all of Mitchell’s questioning goes to process issues (when did you come forward, when did you retain counsel, did you know the committee was willing to come to you in CA, why did you take a polygraph, etc, etc).
None of this goes to to the credibility of her allegations. This is really weak, weak stuff.
Maybe there were some tougher more substantive questioning earlier, but if this is the best the Republicans have, it’s not at all impressive.
I agree with everyone who has opined that Ford comes off as credible and sincere. She’s also very likeable. Doesn’t cone across as any kind of zealot.
I think the Republicans are going to regret this hearing.
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Nope, they weren't substantive (at least, from the Republican side)Kurth wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:41 pm
Maybe there were some tougher more substantive questioning earlier, but if this is the best the Republicans have, it’s not at all impressive.
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Or this was a way to rip the bandaid. Look a sex crimes prosecutor says she's telling the truth... Now we think it's a good idea to abandon Kavanaugh. And we don't have to wait for an investigation, or listen to any other women, or take responsibility for creating this shit show.
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That was an abrupt call for lunch. Makes me wonder if the toddler in chief is screaming on the phone at Grassley right now. Why aren’t you being tough on her????!?
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Wait. So you're saying the Dems and/or Ford requested it?