SCOTUS Watch

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:48 pm

It's no longer difficult to imagine this guy getting drunk and behaving abominably.

He's trashing the whole persona that was supposed to save him.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:49 pm

He sure does like to deify himself at times.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:52 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:42 pm
He's hearing "No" and doesn't quite understand the concept.

I don't have access to what is happening but... Ouch...

Hiccup · Post by **Hiccup** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:52 pm

I remember fondly of my father, at Christmas time sitting by the fire, telling stories from the year. Specifically between the dates of August 17th and August 22nd in 1983.

Also, saying you have a group of all women law clerks doesn't really send the message I think he thinks it does.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:54 pm

Hiccup wrote:I remember fondly of my father, at Christmas time sitting by the fire, telling stories from the year. Specifically between the dates of August 17th and August 22nd in 1983.

Also, saying you have a group of all women law clerks doesn't really send the message I think he thinks it does.

Son, always have a cover story.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:54 pm

Right now he's whining that me may never be able to coach girls basketball again because of what the Dems have "unleashed". The girls love him. The parents have written letters supporting him. Also, explaining the whole thing to his daughters has been soooo difficult.

Boo fucking hoo.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:55 pm

Oh man, I can't wait to see the clips of this tonight. Remember when Howard Dean's entire political career was torpedoed by a simple "Eeeeyaghhh!!?"

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:55 pm

This is truly just a woe is me session. This guy is a judge?

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:56 pm

"Judge me by the same standard you would judge your father, brother, your son..."

Yeah, if I did that he'd be guilty and out on his ass years ago. He has serious balls to say that.

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:56 pm

He's not very convincing. He admits to drinking beer as a teen, okay. He admits getting drunk, okay. But he denies drinking so much that...stop right there. What teen drinker in all of human history didn't, at some point, drink so much that they didn't know what they were doing? In the context of him drinking at parties with his buddies I'm supposed to believe he was a responsible drinker who knew and kept to his limits? I don't think so. And if he'd fudge even something like this, what else might he not be truthful about?

I know the purpose of saying that is so people can't say "Well, if you got that drunk then maybe you did it and don't remember it". By denying ever getting that drunk he preemptively defends that angle. The problem is now people need to ask themselves if they believe a teen, partying with friends, was ALWAYS mindful of how much he drank and so never drank that much.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:05 pm

gameoverman wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:56 pm He's not very convincing. He admits to drinking beer as a teen, okay. He admits getting drunk, okay. But he denies drinking so much that...stop right there. What teen drinker in all of human history didn't, at some point, drink so much that they didn't know what they were doing? In the context of him drinking at parties with his buddies I'm supposed to believe he was a responsible drinker who knew and kept to his limits? I don't think so. And if he'd fudge even something like this, what else might he not be truthful about?

I know the purpose of saying that is so people can't say "Well, if you got that drunk then maybe you did it and don't remember it". By denying ever getting that drunk he preemptively defends that angle. The problem is now people need to ask themselves if they believe a teen, partying with friends, was ALWAYS mindful of how much he drank and so never drank that much.

Yeah. I'm not listening now, but that doesn't seem very convincing.

He'd be much, much better off with copping to the fact that he partied and may well have had too much to drink at some of those parties, but no level of intoxication would lead him to sexually assault someone.

This other angle? Not so much.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:06 pm

gameoverman wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:56 pm He's not very convincing. He admits to drinking beer as a teen, okay. He admits getting drunk, okay. But he denies drinking so much that...stop right there. What teen drinker in all of human history didn't, at some point, drink so much that they didn't know what they were doing? In the context of him drinking at parties with his buddies I'm supposed to believe he was a responsible drinker who knew and kept to his limits? I don't think so. And if he'd fudge even something like this, what else might he not be truthful about?

I know the purpose of saying that is so people can't say "Well, if you got that drunk then maybe you did it and don't remember it". By denying ever getting that drunk he preemptively defends that angle. The problem is now people need to ask themselves if they believe a teen, partying with friends, was ALWAYS mindful of how much he drank and so never drank that much.

You know he's lying if he says he never drank to excess or blacked out.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:08 pm

CNN headline: Kavenaugh: 'A national disgrace.'

I see what you did there, CNN.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:13 pm

About the yearbook and the Renate Alumnius comments:

"One thing in particular we were sad about, one of our good — one of our good female friends, who we would admire and went to dances with had her name used on the yearbook page with the term alumnus. That yearbook reference was clumsily intended to show affection and that she was one of us. But in this circus, the media has interpreted the term was related to sex. It was not related to sex.

Are you kidding? Does he think no one in America ever went to high school or wrote "inside jokes" in their yearbook?

He is toast.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:14 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:06 pm You know he's lying if he says he never drank to excess or blacked out.

I don't understand. Blacking out is isn't universal to alcohol abuse is it? There were points in my live where I was dedicated to stupid drinker and I've never blacked out. I've always been fascinated by the concept. My evenings became all the more clear moment to moment the more drunk I became even as my coordination and ability to speak deteriorated from existence.. Lord knows blacking out would have been way cooler than living a life a hugging the toilet in slow motion moment to moment for hours and hours, just waiting the world stop spinning so I could sleep.

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:17 pm

Kurth wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:05 pmYeah. I'm not listening now, but that doesn't seem very convincing.

He'd be much, much better off with copping to the fact that he partied and may well have had too much to drink at some of those parties, but no level of intoxication would lead him to sexually assault someone.

This other angle? Not so much.

If I was in his position, not that I'd ever be in his position, I would just admit that yeah sometimes I drank so much that vomiting and passing out were a thing. He could still deny assaulting anyone, one thing does not imply the other. I drank to excess a lot in my younger days and never assaulted anyone, sexually or otherwise. Anyone who has been around drunk people will know there are different types of drunks. Some guys, yes you're gddamn right you better watch yourself around them if they're drunk. Other people aren't the least bit aggressive even when drunk. I would have used that angle if I was him.

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LordMortis wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:14 pmI don't understand. Blacking out is isn't universal to alcohol abuse is it? There were points in my live where I was dedicated to stupid drinker and I've never blacked out.

No, it's not universal. You have to get to a point where your tolerance for alcohol is high enough that instead of passing out, you stay conscious. However, the alcohol still works its magic on you so you are very, very drunk. It's impossible to prove someone got black out drunk 30 years ago, but if you told me the person in question was a teen drinker who regularly partied with friends while they all were drinking, then it's a lot easier to believe they developed high tolerances to alcohol. That's why I think he denied getting that ever getting that drunk, so he could say he has clear memory of everything he did or didn't do.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:23 pm

LordMortis wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:14 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:06 pm You know he's lying if he says he never drank to excess or blacked out.
I don't understand. Blacking out is isn't universal to alcohol abuse is it? There were points in my live where I was dedicated to stupid drinker and I've never blacked out. I've always been fascinated by the concept. My evenings became all the more clear moment to moment the more drunk I became even as my coordination and ability to speak deteriorated from existence.. Lord knows blacking out would have been way cooler than living a life a hugging the toilet in slow motion moment to moment for hours and hours, just waiting the world stop spinning so I could sleep.

It's not universal but if you drink enough and your tolerance is such that overdrinking doesn't send you running to the toilet or make you pass out, it's pretty standard.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:25 pm

Do he really blame the Clintons in his opening remarks? This is absurd and a Trumpian remark if I ever heard one. I think he’s trying Trump’s playbook of not appearing weak to play to Trump but I don't think this will go over well with the general public.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:30 pm

Never passed out either. Spend too many nights hugging a toilet or sitting by myself outside propped up against a tree. I drank enough in my day, but I guess I just never developed "the tolerance."

Do he really blame the Clintons in his opening remarks? This is absurd and a Trumpian remark if I ever heard one. I think he’s trying Trump’s playbook of not appearing weak to play to Trump but I don't think this will go over well with the general public.

Don't forget he cut his teeth and made his contacts under Ken Starr. His playbook is from Rove, not Trump.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:34 pm

This hearing is leading to adult drinking. Should I get one of those... those charts?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:40 pm

LordMortis wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:30 pm Don't forget he cut his teeth and made his contacts under Ken Starr. His playbook is from Rove, not Trump.

Caused me to google as things often do

Rove in July

https://www.newsweek.com/karl-rove-bret ... se-1015463

Rove in today

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/09/fox-ne ... -november/

jaycaustin · Post by **jaycaustin** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:42 pm

If you had asked me if I ever blacked out while drinking I would have said no, until I saw video evidence of myself doing things I had no memory of (not sexually assaulting someone btw). It was a pretty surreal experience to see yourself in a situation you have no memory of. I think it is pretty hard to deny blacking out because by definition you don't know it happened. You might point to the fact that you never woke up in strange place, or with different clothes on, but it is possible to black out at home and not get changed before you are finally unconscious. Then, as far as you know you simply passed out or went to sleep.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:46 pm

Holy shit, Durbin is pinning him down and Kav is not looking good. He refuses to say he welcomes an FBI investigation. He just sits there in quiet indignation and won't answer.

Big moment, from my viewing at least.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:47 pm

Now Graham breaking their own hearing rules to go on a loud diatribe. Holy crap things are unraveling.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:48 pm

So I just came back after only watching a few clips since Ford was on.

1. Why is Senator Graham directly addressing Kavanaugh?

2. he was wrong, Ford specifically stated that Feinstein's staff were *not* the ones to suggest getting a lawyer.

3. Holy shit, Graham has gone crazy.. Maybe he's trying to make Kavanaugh and Grassly sane and normal by comparison.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:51 pm

I guess Graham cashed whatever check he was given and now needs to make sure he delivers? This is meltdown after meltdown.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:52 pm

Unglued Graham will become an internet meme in 3... 2...

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:54 pm

Wow, Kavanaugh's rude. Would he be ok with someone acting like that in his courtroom?

(Well, someone other than him)

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:54 pm

They're grilling him on "ralph club". It is hilarious. Evading a straightforward question and then attacking the Senator. "I enjoyed beer. I enjoy beer. Do YOU enjoy beer, Senator!!?!!?"

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:55 pm

Yeah, to see him going back at Whitehouse - he's rattled.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:58 pm

Cornyn of Texas kissing his ass, comparing this to the Mccarthy hearings.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:00 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:They're grilling him on "ralph club". It is hilarious. Evading a straightforward question and then attacking the Senator. "I enjoyed beer. I enjoy beer. Do YOU enjoy beer, Senator!!?!!?"

Don't disrespect beer, Senator!

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:03 pm

That yearbook caption is the gift that keeps on giving. So much ammunition in there:

Summer of '82 - Total Spins (Rehobeth)
Keg City Club (Treasurer)
100 Kegs or Bust
Renate Alumnius
Rehobeth Police Fan Club
Wendy Whitney Fan Club
Judge - Have You Boofed YEt?
Beach Week Ralph Club - Biggest Contributor
Maureen - Tainted Whack
George Hyman

I hope they grill him on all that stuff. What a shit show.

geezer · Post by **geezer** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:03 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:58 pm Cornyn of Texas kissing his ass, comparing this to the Mccarthy hearings.

Our senators (and reps too, for the most part) are the worst of the worst. It's embarrassing. We have a few decent guys in the house (even some decent Rs), but on the whole this state elects a bunch of complete jackasses.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:04 pm

Oh, they should make him do several shots and then continue the questioning. That would be fun!

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:06 pm

Kurth wrote:That yearbook caption is the gift that keeps on giving. So much ammunition in there:

Summer of '82 - Total Spins (Rehobeth)
Keg City Club (Treasurer)
100 Kegs or Bust
Renate Alumnius
Rehobeth Police Fan Club
Wendy Whitney Fan Club
Judge - Have You Boofed YEt?
Beach Week Ralph Club - Biggest Contributor
Maureen - Tainted Whack
George Hyman

I hope they grill him on all that stuff. What a shit show.

I wonder if they made it to 100 kegs?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:07 pm

There is nothing fun about this. This is our institutions circling the drain. Fuck everyone who helped this happen. I’m including myself.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:08 pm

We look like a shit show to the world right now.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:09 pm

Kurth wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:03 pm That yearbook caption is the gift that keeps on giving. So much ammunition in there:

Summer of '82 - Total Spins (Rehobeth)
Keg City Club (Treasurer)
100 Kegs or Bust
Renate Alumnius
Rehobeth Police Fan Club
Wendy Whitney Fan Club
Judge - Have You Boofed YEt?
Beach Week Ralph Club - Biggest Contributor
Maureen - Tainted Whack
George Hyman

I hope they grill him on all that stuff. What a shit show.

They did on some. It was alternatively hilarious, embarrassing, and pathetic.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:09 pm

Scoop20906 wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:08 pm We look like a shit show to the world right now.

Appearances are not deceiving.