SCOTUS Watch

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:16 am

Above and beyond the accusations, whether or not he lied, etc... he came off like an entitled asshole while being questioned. I'm not even fully sure he didn't have a few beers in him (he likes beer) before he arrived to speak. If he wasn't a middle-aged white man, the world would be speaking to his attitude and temperament while being questioned. Amazing, it hasn't been a focus at all. In seeing him testify, I understand fully why Trump wanted this guy; they're cut from the same awful cloth.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:17 am

I also couldn't care less about his partying. Which is why him lying about it is so disqualifying. But, it's disingenuous to suggest he's only told little white lies. He has lied repeatedly about all sorts of crap while under oath. He lies at the drop of a hat if he thinks it will get him what he wants. Under oath! That's amoral.

When you're hiring for the top spot, watching your candidate lie at the drop of a hat about trivial things is another HUGE warning sign your candidate is fundamentally dishonest.

I think core, repeated dishonesty should be an instant disqualifier, but hey, it's only the most important position for both criminal and civil justice systems. What's honesty got to do with justice?

If you can't count on a SCOTUS judge to respect his oath, how on earth can you expect ANYONE to respect theirs?

Edit:. Beaten by unagi

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:28 am

Unagi wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:10 am
Kurth wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:06 am
Unagi wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:47 am And there is no Quarters game called Devil's Triangle...

I'm just saying, even if it's (seemingly) trivial, if he's able to perjure himself so quickly on those points -- that should be disqualifying alone.
I have no doubt he’s lying about the extent of his partying and making shit up to try to make the yearbook idiocy less idiotic. I don’t care so much about that, because I don’t really care that he was drinking and partying in high school. Does it make him less credible as a witness, especially when compared to Dr. Ford? Definitely, and I do think it has importance in that respect. But I don’t find the lying/misleading on those points to be disqualifying on their own.
He's under oath. To become a lifetime Supreme Court Justice. I find the lying/misleading on those minor points to be a MASSIVE red-flag of what else he's likely willing to lie about, etc.

Under Oath - Supreme Court Justice. No room for lying or misleading of any sort, IMO.

I hear you, and I don’t think that’s an unreasonable position to take. I just don’t subscribe to it. Or, more accurately, I just don’t see it as being as black and white as you appear to.

Please don’t hit me with the “whataboutism” stick (which I hate right now about as much as I hate the ever present BREAKING NEWS chyron on cable news networks), but I think back to the Clinton impeachment proceedings, and I had a similar view on that. I didn’t care all that much about whether or not Clinton had sexual relations with Monica Lewinski, so I really didn’t care all that much that he was lying about it under oath. In hindsight, maybe I should have cared more (power imbalance, issues with meaningful consent, etc), but at the time, it didn’t seem to me that he should be impeached because it didn’t seem like the thing he was lying about rose to that level.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:29 am

Law enforcement officials in Maryland have issued a statement saying they are prepared to conduct a state-level criminal investigation into sexual assault allegations against Judge Brett Kavanaugh. However, they said, a victim must come forward and request such an investigation.

link

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:37 am

The GOP has gotten to the point where, if I were Ruth Bader Ginsburg, I'd avoid stairwells, steer clear of balconies and stop drinking tea.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:35 pm

However you feel about Clinton lying under oath, his job wasn't the final authority on interpreting the law of the land, he was guaranteed to be gone in less than 3 years, his lying resulted in impeachment charges AND Kavanaugh played a leading role in making that happen!

Whether you personally care about lying under oath or not, the law ABSOLUTELY cares, and Kavanaugh is going to be placed in a permanent caretaker role of the law.

Having a SCOTUS judge with so little regard for his own oath is BAD juju.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:07 pm

I present a fun legitimately good Buzzfeed article about the Flake flip yesterday. I may revise my opinion on this - maybe Flake was being genuine here but the article gave him a beautiful title - 'messy drama queen'. I think it fits beautifully.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:20 pm

Witch hunt!

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:25 pm

Here's Exactly What Happened As Jeff Flake Chose To Delay The Kavanaugh Vote

In picture book format:

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:47 pm

Defiant wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:29 am
Law enforcement officials in Maryland have issued a statement saying they are prepared to conduct a state-level criminal investigation into sexual assault allegations against Judge Brett Kavanaugh. However, they said, a victim must come forward and request such an investigation.
link

No statute of limitations in Maryland?

I think maybe a couple of generations of Georgetown Prep alums just felt a chill deep in their soul.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:56 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:16 am . If he wasn't a middle-aged white man, the world would be speaking to his attitude and temperament while being questioned.

He was very well spoken but a bit uppity. Hysterical and, dare I say, kind of bitchy.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:10 pm

"I got into Yale!!"

I loved the claims that he got into Yale "with no connections." (His father was a lobbyist, his mother was a judge, and he went to one of the D.C. area's most elite prep schools.)

As several have pointed out on Twitter, the claim that he could not have been a heavy drinker and then succeed at Yale will come as a huge surprise to anyone who first encountered prep-school boys at a private university.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:35 pm

It's being reported tonight that the WH is limiting the scope of the FBI investigation strictly to the facts available around the Ford and Ramirez allegations. There will be no attention paid to verifying other contradictions in his testimony.

The fix is in.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:39 pm

I couldn't care less about his drinking as a kid/young man. I'd probably care (in the negative sense) if he was identified as an alcoholic, as addiction can result in some pretty bizarre behaviour, much of which is the opposite of impartiality.

That he's evasive and lies at the drop of a hat makes for a shifty judge.

That has nothing to do with his politics.

Imagine a background check for your security clearance and never giving a straight answer and lying about all sorts of things, big and small.

That's inherently shady. That alone should disqualify him, but add up the accusations, the missing documentation, his default partisan behaviour and attitude etc.

You already have a president that doesn't give a crap about anyone who didn't vote for him. The idea that a sitting judge feels the same way is scary af.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:43 pm

Holman wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:35 pm It's being reported tonight that the WH is limiting the scope of the FBI investigation strictly to the facts available around the Ford and Ramirez allegations. There will be no attention paid to verifying other contradictions in his testimony.

The fix is in.

To be fair - a week isn't a long time to conduct an investigation on years old crimes so scoping is important. Oh a week? Yeah the fix is in.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:42 pm

Scoping is important. If the investigation was truly independent as it should be, the fbi would be determining scope. The white house determining scope makes it look like partisan deflection.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:15 pm

Classmate of Kavanaugh at Yale.To paraphrase: I never saw sexual aggression but he was lying through his teeth about his conduct there.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:55 pm

Holman wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:35 pm It's being reported tonight that the WH is limiting the scope of the FBI investigation strictly to the facts available around the Ford and Ramirez allegations. There will be no attention paid to verifying other contradictions in his testimony.

The fix is in.

Which means they think he’s guilty.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:14 pm

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:24 pm

Captain Caveman wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:55 pm
Holman wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:35 pm It's being reported tonight that the WH is limiting the scope of the FBI investigation strictly to the facts available around the Ford and Ramirez allegations. There will be no attention paid to verifying other contradictions in his testimony.

The fix is in.
Which means they think he’s guilty.

It's worse than just limiting the investigations to allegations 1, 2, and 3 (say). Read this thread:

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:33 pm

Trump's tweeting that the NBC version of the story is wrong. Toss up whether Trump doesn't know what's going on, lying, or backpedaling after the story broke. I guess all the reporting might be wrong, but that's probably the least likely option.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:15 am

Of course, Flake, Collins, Murkowski have all the leverage here, if they are inclined to use it. If they want there to be a real investigation, then there will be. I just don't know whether they really do or not.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:49 am

El Guapo wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:15 am Of course, Flake, Collins, Murkowski have all the leverage here, if they are inclined to use it. If they want there to be a real investigation, then there will be. I just don't know whether they really do or not.

They all want an excuse to vote for Kavanaugh. Even the appearance of an investigation gives it to them.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:58 am

LawBeefaroni wrote:
Smoove_B wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:16 am . If he wasn't a middle-aged white man, the world would be speaking to his attitude and temperament while being questioned.
He was very well spoken but a bit uppity. Hysterical and, dare I say, kind of bitchy.

I would agree, and add “shrill” to that as well.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:20 am

Carpet_pissr wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:58 am
LawBeefaroni wrote:
Smoove_B wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:16 am . If he wasn't a middle-aged white man, the world would be speaking to his attitude and temperament while being questioned.
He was very well spoken but a bit uppity. Hysterical and, dare I say, kind of bitchy.
I would agree, and add “shrill” to that as well.

He should smile more. He would probably be attractive if he smiled more.

Montag · Post by **Montag** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:28 am

Where are the states' attorney generals on this? At least one of the states had no statute of limitations right?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:31 am

Holman wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:20 am
Carpet_pissr wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:58 am
LawBeefaroni wrote:
Smoove_B wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:16 am . If he wasn't a middle-aged white man, the world would be speaking to his attitude and temperament while being questioned.
He was very well spoken but a bit uppity. Hysterical and, dare I say, kind of bitchy.
I would agree, and add “shrill” to that as well.
He should smile more. He would probably be attractive if he smiled more.

There was blood coming out of his wherever.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:31 am

Holman wrote:
Carpet_pissr wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:58 am
LawBeefaroni wrote:
Smoove_B wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:16 am . If he wasn't a middle-aged white man, the world would be speaking to his attitude and temperament while being questioned.
He was very well spoken but a bit uppity. Hysterical and, dare I say, kind of bitchy.
I would agree, and add “shrill” to that as well.
He should smile more. He would probably be attractive if he smiled more.

OMG! Can you imagine the meltdown the Internet would have if Amy Klobuchar had said that in response to Kavabro’s douche response?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:34 am

Defiant wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:11 pm
Eh, I don't know if the rest of the world is paying attention to this, as opposed to other crap this administration has done that has affected the rest of the world.

More evidence against this:

‘I Don’t Think People in the U.S. Know How Closely We’re Watching This’
International readers tell us how the testimony of Christine Blasey Ford and Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh before the Senate Judiciary Committee affected their perceptions of the United States.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:46 am

I'm not surprised that the world is watching our every move really closely. At the best of times, we're the really big, loud dude who walks into the bar open carrying an AR-15. You'd better believe everyone in the bar is going to keep an eye on what that guy's up to, even when he's laughing and friendly.

Right now, it's 11pm, that dude is sloppy drunk, and acting erratically. Everyone still in the bar is going to be giving him their undivided attention, because who know what the heck he's going to do next.

Default · Post by **Default** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:57 am

Hopefully, it's just an hour with a stripper.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:02 am

Default wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:57 am Hopefully, it's just an hour with a stripper.

Nah, he did that before he came to the bar. He seems like more of an "afternoon shift at the strip club" kinda guy to me.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:10 am

Just wait til he does the blow right on the bar counter using rolled up dollars. Shit really hits the fan then.

Chaz · Post by **Chaz** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:15 am

I mean, hell, we've literally reached the "I love you man" stage with North Korea.

Meanwhile, Germany, France, and Canada are the friends who actually can hold their liquor trying to tell the guy "Hey, I think you've had enough, it's time to go home," and we're shoving them off going "YOU'VE had enough! You can't tell me what to do! You don't know me!"

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:18 am

I can't even...

Yes, this is a real thing.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:29 am

The fuck. It's like a cult.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:55 am

Holman wrote:"I got into Yale!!"

I loved the claims that he got into Yale "with no connections." (His father was a lobbyist, his mother was a judge, and he went to one of the D.C. area's most elite prep schools.)

And somehow he “forgot” that his grandfather went to Yale, so Kavanaugh was a legacy admission.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:46 pm

Yep, another completely unnecessary trumpian lie, and Georgetown prep doesn't hurt either.

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
Holman wrote:"I got into Yale!!"

I loved the claims that he got into Yale "with no connections." (His father was a lobbyist, his mother was a judge, and he went to one of the D.C. area's most elite prep schools.)
And somehow he “forgot” that his grandfather went to Yale, so Kavanaugh was a legacy admission.

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Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:57 pm

That’s the infuriating part of this whole discussion around privelage. Those who have the most, are often the ones most vehement that they “did it all themselves” with no help from anyone or anything.

Good luck getting them to ever recognize that.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:06 pm

Skinypupy wrote:That’s the infuriating part of this whole discussion around privelage. Those who have the most, are often the ones most vehement that they “did it all themselves” with no help from anyone or anything.

Good luck getting them to ever recognize that.

And always a treat when that attitude is coupled with "... unlike those other students who got in due to affirmative action as opposed to their own merits. I got in without any special treatment like my father and his father and my uncle who's name happens to be on the dorm I'm living in"