Yes, I was emotional last Thursday. I hope everyone can understand I was there as a son, husband and dad.
What a load of shit. He was there as a Supreme Court judge candidate. Not that being a son, husband, and dad absolves you of, or prevents you from, being an asshole anyway. Nor does it absolve you of unsuitability for a particular job.
But most notably, he was using prepared statements. His opening remarks about the Clinton conspiracy were written down. I can see a pass for emotion in his voice or the occasional expletive. But no, he planned everything in his opener and probably rehearsed answering every question he was asked. It is who he is Just more lies in his op-ed.
Also, heard at the bar:
"Raf, you're fucked up already and they just opened at four."
(Slurring) "I'm as schober ash a judge..."
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
YellowKing wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:48 pmI wish folks like MSD could take a big step back - ignore the policies and the labels - and really question what they're supporting, and whether it aligns with their morals. Do you really want to support a President that lies multiple times daily. Blatantly. And tries to convince you that his lies are the truth even when you can easily disprove them yourself. Is that the example of leadership you want your kids to follow? Do you want your daughters led by a man who sees them as sexual objects he can "grab by the pussy?" Is that worth a tax cut and some gun control protection?
I'll answer for MSD since he can't handle responses, and prefers sniping and running like a snowflake.
Tax cut, probably not.
Gun control protection? Mmmmmaybe.
Abortion? Maybe/probably (for a LOT of Trump voters, it's not just probably)
Pwning the evil liberals and their media that are destroying the country with their gays, wussiness and enviro-bullshit?! Absolutely. Will support ANYBODY that will do that. May not like the person, may despise them, but NOTHING is worse than a fucking liberal.
Not to be serious or anything here, but you missed immigration especially those scary muslims. OK, I couldn't stay too serious for long.
coopasonic wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:01 am
Not to be serious or anything here, but you missed immigration especially those scary muslims. OK, I couldn't stay too serious for long.
Anyone whose primary reason for coming here is because they actually want to be an American is fine. If they're coming with the idea of altering what an American is, then yeah not so much. Is that so terrible?
$iljanus wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:24 pm
And yet he led with a diatribe against the Democrats who were getting revenge on behalf of the Clintons. What to believe, what to believe...
And closed with a dire warning to democrats about sowing winds that will be reaped for decades to come. Nothing to fear there about a decades long appointment.
coopasonic wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:01 am
Not to be serious or anything here, but you missed immigration especially those scary muslims. OK, I couldn't stay too serious for long.
Anyone whose primary reason for coming here is because they actually want to be an American is fine. If they're coming with the idea of altering what an American is, then yeah not so much. Is that so terrible?
I shudder to think of what your definition of "being an American" actually is.
And given such a warped definition, I also assume that yes, it would be terrible.
When darkness veils the world, four Warriors of Light shall come.
coopasonic wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:01 am
Not to be serious or anything here, but you missed immigration especially those scary muslims. OK, I couldn't stay too serious for long.
Anyone whose primary reason for coming here is because they actually want to be an American is fine. If they're coming with the idea of altering what an American is, then yeah not so much. Is that so terrible?
I shudder to think of what your definition of "being an American" actually is.
And given such a warped definition, I also assume that yes, it would be terrible.
I wouldn't word it the same way, but like Skiny implies whether it is terrible or not depends on what "being an American" means to you. To me it's not much more than living in America. What are the other requirements? I'm going to assume learning to speak English? What else?
It's so bizarre that a SCOTUS nominee has now done a Fox News interview and a WSJ op ed during the confirmation process.
I tend to think of it as a good sign that Kavanaugh / the GOP felt the need for the op ed. I assume that they wouldn't do it unless they were either worried about the vote count and/or were worried about the political fallout of confirming him.
Although I think it's more likely that they're worried about the fallout than the confirmation vote.
coopasonic wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:01 am
Not to be serious or anything here, but you missed immigration especially those scary muslims. OK, I couldn't stay too serious for long.
Anyone whose primary reason for coming here is because they actually want to be an American is fine. If they're coming with the idea of altering what an American is, then yeah not so much. Is that so terrible?
I admit, tacos are scary. Don't even get me started on falafel.
coopasonic wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:47 am
What are the other requirements? I'm going to assume learning to speak English? What else?
Technically, not even that. The US has no official language.
Probably the wrong thread to continue this discussion, but that has never stopped (most of) us. I am curious about em2's definition of being an American and that's the only one I can think of (that I might consider reasonable).
coopasonic wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:47 am
I'm going to assume learning to speak English? What else?
Stand when commanded to do so, resist any change, value wealth above all else...
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
coopasonic wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:01 am
Not to be serious or anything here, but you missed immigration especially those scary muslims. OK, I couldn't stay too serious for long.
Anyone whose primary reason for coming here is because they actually want to be an American is fine. If they're coming with the idea of altering what an American is, then yeah not so much. Is that so terrible?
Not sure why I'm bothering to respond to this seriously due to your posting history but as a conservative myself (of note not a republican) I don't understand this mindset. America needs the change immigrants bring. What an American is should constantly be being alerted (within reason). Some things should never change (primarily freedoms) but that doesn't mean we can't have immigrants who help us reevaluate our values or what being an American means. Not all change is bad.
While what you posted is so vague it could be taken a dozen different ways and explained away easily I have seen personally that too many people when they say what you are saying mean they just want the status quoe when it comes to the country. So immigrants should look and act like the historically prototypical American does (even though that typical American didn't include the diversity we already had). That's so shortsighted and closed minded it bothers me so much. We should welcome immigrants and the lessons we can learn from them. Embrace them and show the amazing parts of being American while being willing to learn that there are areas we can always improve.
Anyways that's a bit off topic but I couldn't help myself. On topic kavenaugh should not be confirmed because he is clearly too partial and political. I've written my senators (one is Collins) so we'll see what she does.
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coopasonic wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:01 am
Not to be serious or anything here, but you missed immigration especially those scary muslims. OK, I couldn't stay too serious for long.
Anyone whose primary reason for coming here is because they actually want to be an American is fine. If they're coming with the idea of altering what an American is, then yeah not so much. Is that so terrible?
I shudder to think of what your definition of "being an American" actually is.
And given such a warped definition, I also assume that yes, it would be terrible.
I wouldn't word it the same way, but like Skiny implies whether it is terrible or not depends on what "being an American" means to you. To me it's not much more than living in America. What are the other requirements? I'm going to assume learning to speak English? What else?
Really? Being an American just means living here? If that’s the case, no wonder our social fabric seems to be pretty frayed right now.
No common set of core ideals? No common purpose? No shared history? No ties to each other? Man, that’s fucking bleak. No wonder people are all quoting Yeats.
And +1 to Chrisoc13 above. Well said.
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Just 'cause you feel it, doesn't mean it's there -- Radiohead
Do you believe me? Do you trust me? Do you like me? 😳
coopasonic wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:47 am
I'm going to assume learning to speak English? What else?
Stand when commanded to do so, resist any change, value wealth above all else...
Making sure to criticize everyone getting handouts on the government dime. And demanding your own handout when the time comes,whether it be a tax cut, corporate bailout, disaster relief, etc.
"Who's going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking might just be one of those Black jobs?"
-Michelle Obama 2024 Democratic Convention
Wise words of warning from Smoove B: Oh, how you all laughed when I warned you about the semen. Well, who's laughing now?
Chrisoc13 wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:36 am
What an American is should constantly be being alerted (within reason).
I assume that was supposed to be "re-evaluated" instead of "alerted"...?
I read it as “altered.”
And is it really the case that the only things people in this thread can come up with to define being an American are horribly negative? I’m hoping that’s not the case and that these reactions are just ham-fisted counters to em2whatever’s ignorant trolly post. Although, I’m not really sure why anyone feels the need to respond to him. He’s the only member of this forum I’ve ever resorted to Ignore, but it’s generally made my forum browsing much more enjoyable.
Just 'cause you feel it, doesn't mean it's there -- Radiohead
Do you believe me? Do you trust me? Do you like me? 😳
Kurth wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:46 am
And is it really the case that the only things people in this thread can come up with to define being an American are horribly negative? I’m hoping that’s not the case and that these reactions are just ham-fisted counters to em2whatever’s ignorant trolly post.
That's exactly what these responses are.
I would have thought the sarcasm font was on bright, flashing, neon display, but perhaps I underestimated.
When darkness veils the world, four Warriors of Light shall come.
I don't think we need limits as much as periodic re-validation, perhaps via election every 4 years. It would give people a chance to oust judges who do not keep up with the prevailing interest of the people.
PAID PROTESTERS! GEORGE SOROS! RUDE DEMOCRATS! NO COLLUSION!
The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love! #Troublemakers
I will agree with him that these folks are making the Senators look bad, but not for the reasons Trump thinks.
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When darkness veils the world, four Warriors of Light shall come.
Chrisoc13 wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:36 am
What an American is should constantly be being alerted (within reason).
I assume that was supposed to be "re-evaluated" instead of "alerted"...?
I read it as “altered.”
And is it really the case that the only things people in this thread can come up with to define being an American are horribly negative? I’m hoping that’s not the case and that these reactions are just ham-fisted counters to em2whatever’s ignorant trolly post. Although, I’m not really sure why anyone feels the need to respond to him. He’s the only member of this forum I’ve ever resorted to Ignore, but it’s generally made my forum browsing much more enjoyable.
Ham-fisted? I dare say, I was taking a more prosciutto approach I thought!
"Who's going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking might just be one of those Black jobs?"
-Michelle Obama 2024 Democratic Convention
Wise words of warning from Smoove B: Oh, how you all laughed when I warned you about the semen. Well, who's laughing now?
Chrisoc13 wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:36 am
What an American is should constantly be being alerted (within reason).
I assume that was supposed to be "re-evaluated" instead of "alerted"...?
I read it as “altered.”
And is it really the case that the only things people in this thread can come up with to define being an American are horribly negative? I’m hoping that’s not the case and that these reactions are just ham-fisted counters to em2whatever’s ignorant trolly post. Although, I’m not really sure why anyone feels the need to respond to him. He’s the only member of this forum I’ve ever resorted to Ignore, but it’s generally made my forum browsing much more enjoyable.
Ham-fisted? I dare say, I was taking a more prosciutto approach I thought!
Chrisoc13 wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:36 am
What an American is should constantly be being alerted (within reason).
I assume that was supposed to be "re-evaluated" instead of "alerted"...?
I read it as “altered.”
And is it really the case that the only things people in this thread can come up with to define being an American are horribly negative? I’m hoping that’s not the case and that these reactions are just ham-fisted counters to em2whatever’s ignorant trolly post. Although, I’m not really sure why anyone feels the need to respond to him. He’s the only member of this forum I’ve ever resorted to Ignore, but it’s generally made my forum browsing much more enjoyable.
Ham-fisted? I dare say, I was taking a more prosciutto approach I thought!
I think you sliced it a little too thinly.
All this talk of prosciutto makes me want to look in the fridge to see if I have any to go with the mozzarella I have...
"Who's going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking might just be one of those Black jobs?"
-Michelle Obama 2024 Democratic Convention
Wise words of warning from Smoove B: Oh, how you all laughed when I warned you about the semen. Well, who's laughing now?
We'll see what Collins says at 3, but I'm sure she'll say that she's voting yes with just SO MUCH CONCERN THOUGH YOU GUYS.
Interesting that Murkowski voted no on the procedural vote - I think it's pretty likely that she's an ultimate no. The question is whether the Democrats can lean enough on Flake / Manchin / Collins before the final vote.
Kurth wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:46 am
And is it really the case that the only things people in this thread can come up with to define being an American are horribly negative? I’m hoping that’s not the case and that these reactions are just ham-fisted counters to em2whatever’s ignorant trolly post.
That's exactly what these responses are.
I would have thought the sarcasm font was on bright, flashing, neon display, but perhaps I underestimated.
Got it. My sarcasm detector has been on the fritz lately.
Also, I like prosciutto.
(But I’ve never blacked out from eating it.)
Just 'cause you feel it, doesn't mean it's there -- Radiohead
Do you believe me? Do you trust me? Do you like me? 😳
Really? Being an American just means living here? If that’s the case, no wonder our social fabric seems to be pretty frayed right now.
No common set of core ideals? No common purpose? No shared history? No ties to each other? Man, that’s fucking bleak. No wonder people are all quoting Yeats.
And +1 to Chrisoc13 above. Well said.
What's bleak is thinking that someone who doesn't share core goals or have ties to others can't be an American. What happened to being yourself and independence? If you don't share my history, you can't be American. That's pretty fucked up. What's great about being American is that you can have none of those and still be American.
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It's possible (though not likely) for Manchin and Collins to vote yes today and no tomorrow. That way they escape criticism that they "didn't even allow Kavanaugh to come up for a vote."
coopasonic wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:01 am
Not to be serious or anything here, but you missed immigration especially those scary muslims. OK, I couldn't stay too serious for long.
Anyone whose primary reason for coming here is because they actually want to be an American is fine. If they're coming with the idea of altering what an American is, then yeah not so much. Is that so terrible?
I shudder to think of what your definition of "being an American" actually is.
And given such a warped definition, I also assume that yes, it would be terrible.
I wouldn't word it the same way, but like Skiny implies whether it is terrible or not depends on what "being an American" means to you. To me it's not much more than living in America. What are the other requirements? I'm going to assume learning to speak English? What else?
I would hope supporting our Constitution would somehow make the cut - though that might disqualify our current president.
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. – G.K. Chesterton
Holman wrote: Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:17 pm
It's possible (though not likely) for Manchin and Collins to vote yes today and no tomorrow. That way they escape criticism that they "didn't even allow Kavanaugh to come up for a vote."
