The Former Trump Presidency Thread

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:12 pm

GreenGoo wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:57 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:53 pm UNLESS it's all a charade.
Dude. This was the "logic" used to explain away all his nightmarish bullshit during his campaign. Just uttering the possibility pisses me off, because it throws doubt on the idea that he's a moron, when there can be no doubt.

It's like speculating "there must be a reason so many people believe the moon landing was faked" followed by "I wonder if they know something I (and every other reasonable person on the planet) don't...".

He looks and sounds like a moron because he's a moron. Nothing else. Don't give drumpf apologists any ammo to work with.

Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to trigger you. My comment was actually tongue in cheek (what a weird saying), but I guess I did a poor job of conveying it. Or I should have used a rolly eye emoji after it.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:15 pm

GreenGoo wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:57 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:53 pm UNLESS it's all a charade.
Dude. This was the "logic" used to explain away all his nightmarish bullshit during his campaign. Just uttering the possibility pisses me off, because it throws doubt on the idea that he's a moron, when there can be no doubt.

It's like speculating "there must be a reason so many people believe the moon landing was faked" followed by "I wonder if they know something I (and every other reasonable person on the planet) don't...".

He looks and sounds like a moron because he's a moron. Nothing else. Don't give drumpf apologists any ammo to work with.

Madman theory

Nixon

Nixon's Chief of Staff, H. R. Haldeman, wrote that Nixon had confided to him:

I call it the Madman Theory, Bob. I want the North Vietnamese to believe I've reached the point where I might do anything to stop the war. We'll just slip the word to them that, "for God's sake, you know Nixon is obsessed about communism. We can't restrain him when he's angry—and he has his hand on the nuclear button" and Ho Chi Minh himself will be in Paris in two days begging for peace.

In October 1969, the Nixon administration indicated to the Soviet Union that "the madman was loose" when the United States military was ordered to full global war readiness alert (unbeknownst to the majority of the American population), and bombers armed with thermonuclear weapons flew patterns near the Soviet border for three consecutive days.

The administration employed the "madman strategy" to force the North Vietnamese government to negotiate an end to the Vietnam War. In July 1969, according to a recently-declassified CIA report, President Nixon may have suggested to South Vietnamese President Thieu that the two paths he was considering were either a nuclear weapons option or setting up a coalition government.

Along the same lines, American diplomats, especially Henry Kissinger, portrayed the 1970 incursion into Cambodia as a symptom of Nixon's supposed instability.

Trump

The theory is believed by some to be a strategy used by U.S. President Donald Trump in dealing with both allied and hostile nations. Jonathan Stevenson argues Trump's strategy may be even less effective than Nixon's because Nixon tried to give the impression that "he'd been pushed too far, implying that he would return to his senses if the Soviets and North Vietnamese gave in." Whereas the North Korean government is unlikely to believe that "Trump would do the same" because his threats are "standard operating procedure", not a temporary emotional reaction.

The madman theory only works if the subject has a sane baseline. Trump doesn't, so feigning insanity gets him nothing.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:22 pm

It's cute how people keep trying to attach intent and rational thought process to Trump's insanity.

The world can't be on fire. I'm just going to pretend it's just fine out here. Nope. My pants aren't on fire. Nope. My skin isn't melting. Everything's fine.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:30 pm

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:38 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:12 pm Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to trigger you. My comment was actually tongue in cheek (what a weird saying), but I guess I did a poor job of conveying it. Or I should have used a rolly eye emoji after it.

Lol, I'm not triggered.

Plus, the word triggered has taken on a life of it's own and I'd prefer that the term never be used again about anything, ever, so you've triggered me about triggering me. My point is not that *I* don't like to be "triggered", it's that it has become a derogatory term and used to immediately dismiss anyone's concern about anything. It can literally be used to dismiss anything.

Sorry brah, didn't mean to trigger you about climate change.

And while I used your comment to rant, it's not you specifically that I was ranting about, just the idea that drumpf is some evil genius who is out thinking his opponents and has a master plan has to be put to bed, a gun to it's head, the trigger pulled, then the bed buried at the bottom of the sea.

It was obviously not true 2+ years ago when his proponents were claiming it was, and the evidence of the last 2 years should be enough to shame even his strongest proponents.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:44 pm

GreenGoo wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:57 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:53 pm UNLESS it's all a charade.
Dude. This was the "logic" used to explain away all his nightmarish bullshit during his campaign. Just uttering the possibility pisses me off, because it throws doubt on the idea that he's a moron, when there can be no doubt.

It's like speculating "there must be a reason so many people believe the moon landing was faked" followed by "I wonder if they know something I (and every other reasonable person on the planet) don't...".

He looks and sounds like a moron because he's a moron. Nothing else. Don't give drumpf apologists any ammo to work with.

You have to play the long game against the Deep State.

DS?LG.
T-shirts coming to Etsy soon!

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:34 pm

Trump thinks Rosenstein should be in jail for appointing a Special Counsel. So he knew what he was doing when he retweeted that treason tweet this morning.

https://www.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/ ... 6930038785

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:54 pm

My hatred for him, unbelievably, grows...

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:14 pm

I'm kind of hoping he's mentally unraveling as the mounting evidence suggests he's in deep shit and the walls are closing in. Alternatively, I'm more afraid that he's not actually begun to lose it and this is just him operating under his assumptions that everything is super. If that's the case, I'm not sure we'll collectively survive him melting down.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:24 am

I'm not sure that he understands that the world is not his to command. Not even if you're the president. In fact, there are a lot of laws and rules that make it more difficult in some ways to exert your will upon the world.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:24 am

https://twitter.com/laurenduca/status/1 ... 91810?s=19

*Raises hand*

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:34 am

Male or female Im fine as long as they are smart, caring, kind, tough, and actually sane. Understanding politics and the Presidency is also a plus.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:10 pm

Yeah, I am not gender biased as far as I know. Man, woman, green, blue, bald, hairy....this is currently on my car, and kind of sums up my feeling on that:

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:20 pm

I learned I was gender biased in 1996

and that I was much less gender biased that most people around me. I've been guarded against perpetuating my own biases for more than 20 years.

I learned about my biases while in the school of education, being asked to note such things in my observations. I saw how those biases were unconsciously institutionalized in the dozens of classrooms I visited as part of "pre-student teaching". It was one of the more eye opening experiences of my college career. Those observations have informed my awareness and interactions ever since.

(I'd say don't put Hillary in front of me again. But truth be told, I'd have to vote for her. She'd still lose Michigan though. Even as the blue wave is pretty deep here, now, I think she'd still lose in rematch here. I'm sad for many around me and blame ZCorn.)

Z-Corn · Post by **Z-Corn** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:26 pm

LordMortis wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:20 pm I'm sad for many around me and blame ZCorn.)

I know you want to keep up with your shtick, and you'd like to get a rise out of me. If I had ONE MORE drop of GreenGoo in me I'd say, "Fuck you."

But sadly I don't. So I won't.

I will point out for you again I live in Kent County. Not Ottawa County. Your beef is with Ottawa County so how about you keep my name out of your mouth, OK buddy?

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:22 pm

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:29 pm

You should try drops of greengoo.

It's very liberating.

I literally cannot tell if either/both/neither is engaging in satire.

My sympathies to both in any case. Believe it or not I despise conflict.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:47 pm

GreenGoo wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:29 pm You should try drops of greengoo.

It's very liberating.

I literally cannot tell if either/both/neither is engaging in satire.

My sympathies to both in any case. Believe it or not I despise conflict.

Or maybe an entire container?

I keed, I keed. (I'm just amused, not commenting on the validity of anything) though I suppose it is kind of meta, given the topic title

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:08 pm

Z-Corn wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:26 pm
LordMortis wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:20 pm I'm sad for many around me and blame ZCorn.)
I know you want to keep up with your shtick, and you'd like to get a rise out of me. If I had ONE MORE drop of GreenGoo in me I'd say, "Fuck you."

But sadly I don't. So I won't.

I will point out for you again I live in Kent County. Not Ottawa County. Your beef is with Ottawa County so how about you keep my name out of your mouth, OK buddy?

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:21 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:14 pm I'm kind of hoping he's mentally unraveling as the mounting evidence suggests he's in deep shit and the walls are closing in. Alternatively, I'm more afraid that he's not actually begun to lose it and this is just him operating under his assumptions that everything is super. If that's the case, I'm not sure we'll collectively survive him melting down.

Current odds he'll try to divert attention with nuclear war: 4 to 1.

Z-Corn · Post by **Z-Corn** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:28 am

GreenGoo wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:29 pm You should try drops of greengoo.

It's very liberating.

I literally cannot tell if either/both/neither is engaging in satire.

My sympathies to both in any case. Believe it or not I despise conflict.

I apologize for dragging your name into it, that made me no better than LM. You're just kinda my hero on not letting shit go.

I feel it's like when you were in school and that annoying kid behind you kept throwing spitwads at you and you laugh at first and then you get serious with him but you are still smiling and then he pulls that shit one more time and you give him the smack he deserves and then everyone is pissed off at you because you just hit the retarded kid.

It takes me a while to get a head of steam but I don't despise conflict at all. I despise retards who throw spitwads and expect no consequences from doing so.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:35 am

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say:

I don't think LM was being serious about 'blaming Z-Corn'. I read that to be sarcastic and not AT ALL the way you took it. I'm not aware of a rivalry between the two of you (I could be wrong). And maybe I haven't properly measured LM, but I pay attention over the years of being on this board, and LM isn't the kind of person to blame other people for the world... certainly not taking jabs at people on the board for 'actually' being to blame. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I thought LM meant that in good humor. Maybe I'm wrong, but I watch LM struggle with his condemnation of Trump even when he doesn't question the condemnation of Trump at all.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:42 am

Amen. Also, retards, really?

Z-Corn · Post by **Z-Corn** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:47 am

Unagi wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:35 am I'm going to stick my neck out here and say:

I don't think LM was being serious about 'blaming Z-Corn'. I read that to be sarcastic and not AT ALL the way you took it. I'm not aware of a rivalry between the two of you (I could be wrong). And maybe I haven't properly measured LM, but I pay attention over the years of being on this board, and LM isn't the kind of person to blame other people for the world... certainly not taking jabs at people on the board for 'actually' being to blame. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I thought LM meant that in good humor. Maybe I'm wrong, but I watch LM struggle with his condemnation of Trump even when he doesn't question the condemnation of Trump at all.

Well that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. He's been consistent in belittling the fact that I live in West MI. And it's been explained to him and corroborated independently that his viewpoint is inaccurate. And he still throws spitwads.

Z-Corn · Post by **Z-Corn** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:48 am

Zaxxon wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:42 am Amen. Also, retards, really?

Yes. That was for effect. I'm glad you took it that way.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:51 am

It certainly had an effect, though likely not the intended one.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:54 am

Z-Corn wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:47 am
Unagi wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:35 am I'm going to stick my neck out here and say:

I don't think LM was being serious about 'blaming Z-Corn'. I read that to be sarcastic and not AT ALL the way you took it. I'm not aware of a rivalry between the two of you (I could be wrong). And maybe I haven't properly measured LM, but I pay attention over the years of being on this board, and LM isn't the kind of person to blame other people for the world... certainly not taking jabs at people on the board for 'actually' being to blame. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I thought LM meant that in good humor. Maybe I'm wrong, but I watch LM struggle with his condemnation of Trump even when he doesn't question the condemnation of Trump at all.
Well that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. He's been consistent in belittling the fact that I live in West MI. And it's been explained to him and corroborated independently that his viewpoint is inaccurate. And he still throws spitwads.

Dude, if that's what you're upset about, you need to step away for a bit.

Or maybe this is all performance art?

Z-Corn wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:48 am
Zaxxon wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:42 am Amen. Also, retards, really?
Yes. That was for effect. I'm glad you took it that way.

The effect was to make you look bad. I'm glad that's what you were going for?

Z-Corn · Post by **Z-Corn** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:27 am

stessier wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:54 am
Z-Corn wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:47 am
Unagi wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:35 am I'm going to stick my neck out here and say:

I don't think LM was being serious about 'blaming Z-Corn'. I read that to be sarcastic and not AT ALL the way you took it. I'm not aware of a rivalry between the two of you (I could be wrong). And maybe I haven't properly measured LM, but I pay attention over the years of being on this board, and LM isn't the kind of person to blame other people for the world... certainly not taking jabs at people on the board for 'actually' being to blame. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I thought LM meant that in good humor. Maybe I'm wrong, but I watch LM struggle with his condemnation of Trump even when he doesn't question the condemnation of Trump at all.
Well that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. He's been consistent in belittling the fact that I live in West MI. And it's been explained to him and corroborated independently that his viewpoint is inaccurate. And he still throws spitwads.
Dude, if that's what you're upset about, you need to step away for a bit.

Or maybe this is all performance art?

Z-Corn wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:48 am
Zaxxon wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:42 am Amen. Also, retards, really?
Yes. That was for effect. I'm glad you took it that way.
The effect was to make you look bad. I'm glad that's what you were going for?

Feel free to use the hand that is clutching your pearls to open a thesaurus and choose a less offensive word.

Like I said, everybody gets mad when you smack the developmentally disabled kid.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:31 am

I'm more upset that you think West MI doesn't deserve ridicule.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:31 am

Z-Corn wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:47 am
Unagi wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:35 am I'm going to stick my neck out here and say:

I don't think LM was being serious about 'blaming Z-Corn'. I read that to be sarcastic and not AT ALL the way you took it. I'm not aware of a rivalry between the two of you (I could be wrong). And maybe I haven't properly measured LM, but I pay attention over the years of being on this board, and LM isn't the kind of person to blame other people for the world... certainly not taking jabs at people on the board for 'actually' being to blame. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I thought LM meant that in good humor. Maybe I'm wrong, but I watch LM struggle with his condemnation of Trump even when he doesn't question the condemnation of Trump at all.
Well that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. He's been consistent in belittling the fact that I live in West MI. And it's been explained to him and corroborated independently that his viewpoint is inaccurate. And he still throws spitwads.

I think you will see it's not just my opinion, but perhaps most everyones. GreenGoo's reaction was like mine... He read LM's comment as a friendly jab, then read your reaction and thought "whoa, did I totally just miss something real there? or wait, is Z-Corn joking with an over-the-top reaction?"

(IMO)
LM's problem was that he thought you two had a slightly friendly/familiar/brotherly relationship that wouldn't take the 'I blame Z-Corn' as an attack, when in reality you have obviously been rubbed very wrong by some of the comments he's made about the area you live in.
Your problem is that you see these things as spitwads, and not just (friendly) social nods to past head-bumping.
My problem is that I also hate conflict and I'd like this to be worked out so it doesn't keep happening, but I should probably just shut up.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:33 am

Z-Corn wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:27 am Like I said, everybody gets mad when you smack the developmentally disabled kid.

If you smack the 'annoying kid' in your story - people can relate. But yeah, when you start to smack a special-needs kid, then I think the 'gets mad' is well earned. No?
I mean, you realize why hitting is wrong, right?

Combustible Lemur · Post by **Combustible Lemur** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:52 am

Am I the only one offended for the equating of LM with a special needs kid incapable of self responsibility? FOR SHAME!

Also as someone who's been on both sides of this type conflict, Calm down and go have a nice diplomatic PM conversation that may or may not prove to be fruitful before the nerds spend the next two pages defining the meaning of spitwad.

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Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:58 am

stessier wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:31 am I'm more upset that you think West MI doesn't deserve ridicule.

Hey! West Michigan is a beautiful area. The lake shore is absolutely majestic. Living in South Carolina shouldn't throw stones. West Michigan may have given Devos to the world (sorry already, geez. Trust me I regret that family much more than you) but S.C. gave us Graham among other things so I think we are even.

Unagi nailed it in saying LM was just playing with someone he thought would play back. You, on the other hand, just come across as someone misdirecting their anger from this whole thing. Whatever has you that upset take a deep breath and let go of the anger so you can focus on a better solution than this.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:59 am

Combustible Lemur wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:52 am Am I the only one offended for the equating of LM with a special needs kid incapable of self responsibility? FOR SHAME!

No, you are not, but since I know LM is much smarter than I am and I am no where close to special needs mentality I figure that one will roll right off him and let it go.

Combustible Lemur · Post by **Combustible Lemur** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:02 am

Remus West wrote:
Combustible Lemur wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:52 am Am I the only one offended for the equating of LM with a special needs kid incapable of self responsibility? FOR SHAME!
No, you are not, but since I know LM is much smarter than I am and I am no where close to special needs mentality I figure that one will roll right off him and let it go.

Tongue in cheek bruh, tongue solidly in cheek.

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stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:04 am

Remus West wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:58 am
stessier wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:31 am I'm more upset that you think West MI doesn't deserve ridicule.
Hey! West Michigan is a beautiful area. The lake shore is absolutely majestic. Living in South Carolina shouldn't throw stones. West Michigan may have given Devos to the world (sorry already, geez. Trust me I regret that family much more than you) but S.C. gave us Graham among other things so I think we are even.

Unagi nailed it in saying LM was just playing with someone he thought would play back. You, on the other hand, just come across as someone misdirecting their anger from this whole thing. Whatever has you that upset take a deep breath and let go of the anger so you can focus on a better solution than this.

No anger at all - I was laughing as I typed it. Poking the bee's nest. You really shouldn't shout out your insecurities in this forum.

And I lived in South Bend - I know all about West MI.

It has it's moments, but it's not for me.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:32 am

All I know is that there's an awful lot of infighting going on when we should be sticking together to fight the caravan and Mueller's fake Russian probe!

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:35 am

stessier wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:04 am
Remus West wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:58 am
stessier wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:31 am I'm more upset that you think West MI doesn't deserve ridicule.
Hey! West Michigan is a beautiful area. The lake shore is absolutely majestic. Living in South Carolina shouldn't throw stones. West Michigan may have given Devos to the world (sorry already, geez. Trust me I regret that family much more than you) but S.C. gave us Graham among other things so I think we are even.

Unagi nailed it in saying LM was just playing with someone he thought would play back. You, on the other hand, just come across as someone misdirecting their anger from this whole thing. Whatever has you that upset take a deep breath and let go of the anger so you can focus on a better solution than this.
No anger at all - I was laughing as I typed it. Poking the bee's nest. You really shouldn't shout out your insecurities in this forum.

And I lived in South Bend - I know all about West MI. It has it's moments, but it's not for me.

No worries (or real anger - thus the smiley). IIRC you assisted me in tossing Chaosraven out an airlock playing BSG at Octocon so you have a TON of good will you can burn through.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:39 am

Remus West wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:35 am No worries (or real anger - thus the smiley). IIRC you assisted me in tossing Chaosraven out an airlock playing BSG at Octocon so you have a TON of good will you can burn through.

Indeed - but weren't you a Cylon? It's so hard to keep track which one of you is actually evil.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:39 am

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