The Trump Investigation(s) Thread

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:33 pm

Paingod wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:28 pm
El Guapo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:59 pm A history of the 'progress' in preparing a Mueller Counter-Report.

Rudy's on the job.
How do you prep and draft a counter-report for something you shouldn't be aware of? Is it just 45 pages of "Mueller is a poopie-butt. He smells like old man farts. I'm the best." ... ?

I fully expect "NO U!!!" written in purple crayon on WH letterhead.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:35 pm

Rudy is probably fully aware of all the crimes Trump committed and can write his rebuttal without waiting for the finished report.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:38 pm

That would be hilarious. It ends up trying to defend him against things that weren't known like a child digging a deeper hole while trying to stay out of trouble.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:01 pm

A MAJOR Counter Report?! A MAJOR COUNTER REPORT??! Ohboyohboyohboy!

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:08 pm

Jeff V wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:35 pm Rudy is probably fully aware of all the crimes Trump committed and can write his rebuttal without waiting for the finished report.

Dude, I don't even think Drumpf knows all the crimes he's committed.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:19 pm

Sepiche wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:08 pm
Jeff V wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:35 pm Rudy is probably fully aware of all the crimes Trump committed and can write his rebuttal without waiting for the finished report.
Dude, I don't even think Drumpf knows all the crimes he's committed.

Tillerson knows that he doesn't

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:08 pm

The government's sentencing recommendations for Michael Cohen are out. They suggest several years in prison, and tacitly state that Cohen committed campaign finance violations (aka felonies) upon direction of Individual-1.

Here's Tareeq with a sobering reminder:

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:09 pm

Feds requesting "substantial prison term" for Cohen

**shakes fist at proner**

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:10 pm

Sepiche wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:08 pm
Jeff V wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:35 pm Rudy is probably fully aware of all the crimes Trump committed and can write his rebuttal without waiting for the finished report.
Dude, I don't even think Drumpf knows all the crimes he's committed.

Not until it"s on Fox & Friends, I'm guessing...

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:13 pm

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:09 pm Feds requesting "substantial prison term" for Cohen

**shakes fist at proner**

BAM!

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:18 pm

NM. Once again, my inability to read embedded Tweets here strikes again.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:09 pm

Trump wrote:Totally clears the President. Thank you!

Everyone on Twitter: Individual-1, however, is fucked.

(It's hard to emphasize how delusional this is.)

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:09 pm

Naturally, Trump thinks this totally clears himself (he says, in the third person):

Edit: DAMN YOU, HOLMAN!

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:14 pm

some notes after reading both Cohen documents:

The footnote in the NY document states that he did not fully cooperate with the NYAG office":

At the time that Cohen met twice with this Office, through his attorneys, he had expressed that he
was considering – but not committing to – full cooperation. Cohen subsequently determined not to fully
cooperate.
Cohen’s provision of information to the Office of the New York Attorney General (“NY AG”)
warrants little to no consideration as a mitigating factor. This Office’s understanding is that the information
Cohen provided was useful only to the extent that he corroborated information already known to the NY
AG. More importantly, Cohen provided information to the NY AG not as a cooperating witness who was
exposing himself to potential criminal or civil liability but instead as a witness who could have been
compelled to provide that testimony. Fulfilling that basic legal responsibility voluntarily does not warrant
a reduced sentence – particularly when one waits until he is charged with federal crimes before doing so.

From the Special Counsel’s Office:

in or around November 2015, Cohen received the contact information for, and spoke
with, a Russian national who claimed to be a “trusted person” in the Russian Federation who could
offer the campaign “political synergy” and “synergy on a government level.” The defendant
recalled that this person repeatedly proposed a meeting between Individual 1 and the President of
Russia. The person told Cohen that such a meeting could have a “phenomenal” impact “not only
in political but in a business dimension as well,” referring to the Moscow Project, because there is
“no bigger warranty in any project than consent of [the President of Russia].” Cohen, however,
did not follow up on this invitation.3…

…The defendant explained that he did not pursue the proposed meeting, which did not take
place, in part because he was working on the Moscow Project with a different individual who
Cohen understood to have his own connections to the Russian government.

Interestingly enough, there is nothing further regarding work with that other individual (as yet).

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:18 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:09 pm

Trump wrote:Totally clears the President. Thank you!
Everyone on Twitter: Individual-1, however, is fucked.

(It's hard to emphasize how delusional this is.)

There's no way that's an actual tweet by the Presid...GODDAMMITIHATETHISTIMELINESOMUCH

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:27 pm

Manafort filing dropping now too.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:43 am

Financial crime breakdown, rolled up into thread reader for ease of enjoyment.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:18 am

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:43 am Financial crime breakdown, rolled up into thread reader for ease of enjoyment.

So putting the hypothetical cart way, way ahead of the horse here but let's say Trump is indicted and jailed for this. Or impeached and then kicked out of office. Do all the Qanon and Turner Diaries and other assorted alt-right nutjobs finally get their chance to go to war? Will they try their own Jacobite rebellion to get Bonnnie Prince Donald the Trump throne back?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:43 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:18 am
Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:43 am Financial crime breakdown, rolled up into thread reader for ease of enjoyment.
So putting the hypothetical cart way, way ahead of the horse here but let's say Trump is indicted and jailed for this. Or impeached and then kicked out of office. Do all the Qanon and Turner Diaries and other assorted alt-right nutjobs finally get their chance to go to war? Will they try their own Jacobite rebellion to get Bonnnie Prince Donald the Trump throne back?

Maybe. I don't think you can predict what they'll do accurately. What is almost certain is it'd be used as cover for the GOP to further abuse power and or change the rules in their favor when they can.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:11 pm

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:43 am Financial crime breakdown, rolled up into thread reader for ease of enjoyment.

Ugh, Kurt Eichenwald?

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:15 pm

Ok, I'll bite. What am I missing? Is he not a financial crimes guru? He was nominated for a Pulitzer in 2003, so I'm intrigued.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:39 pm

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:15 pm Ok, I'll bite. What am I missing? Is he not a financial crimes guru? He was nominated for a Pulitzer in 2003, so I'm intrigued.

There's a lot. From some real shady shit surrounding a story about child porn he wrote to weird cover-ups over posting a screen shot with a tab open to really hardcore tentacle porn to his weird tweeting style to his combative attitude to being dishonest in his Twitter bio about where he's actively employed.

Financial crimes might have been his forte at one point but, for me, he falls into the Seth Abramson realm of people who aren't as smart as they think they are and should be generally ignored.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:17 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:39 pm
Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:15 pm Ok, I'll bite. What am I missing? Is he not a financial crimes guru? He was nominated for a Pulitzer in 2003, so I'm intrigued.
There's a lot. From some real shady shit surrounding a story about child porn he wrote to weird cover-ups over posting a screen shot with a tab open to really hardcore tentacle porn to his weird tweeting style to his combative attitude to being dishonest in his Twitter bio about where he's actively employed.

Financial crimes might have been his forte at one point but, for me, he falls into the Seth Abramson realm of people who aren't as smart as they think they are and should be generally ignored.

While he isn't the best sometimes did you actually read it? It is literally a snapsht of the facts with some light analysis. All of which is pretty straightforward.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:16 pm

I did say he should be ignored. So no. Once I saw who wrote it, I did not read it.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:51 pm

Ayers sez Naw.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:36 pm

I don't know him from Adam, so I can only rely on what I thought was his field of knowledge. I'd need a real bean-counter to explain whether or not he's made the realistic representation of the information.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:54 pm

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:36 pm I don't know him from Adam, so I can only rely on what I thought was his field of knowledge. I'd need a real bean-counter to explain whether or not he's made the realistic representation of the information.

To me, that's like Seth Abramson's schtick, where he claims once won a murder trial, so he is capable of connecting all the Trump/Russia legal dots. And people buy it.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:59 pm

It's funny.
He is Pence's Chief of Staff.

Imagine if the CEO for your company told your manager he wanted you to work for him directly... and you him, "No thanks."

Roman · Post by **Roman** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:43 pm

Rats leaving the ship?

Who knows. Only time will tell I guess.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:21 am

Today in "Donald Trump reinvents English" while attacking Mueller on Twitter, I bring you, the Smocking Gun.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:41 am

While, I'm willing to accept if there is no "smocking" gun, we're stuck but when the accused says if you got no "smocking" gun you can't bust me, it just screams mafia guilty. Ya' got nuthin' on me copper.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:43 am

"You can't prove it" is always the most horrible defense.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:45 am

And it's the use of the smoking gun metaphor in the MBS context that stands out to me here as well.
You can't prove MBS did it.
You can't prove I did it.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:55 am

Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:45 am And it's the use of the smoking gun metaphor in the MBS context that stands out to me here as well.
You can't prove MBS did it.
You can't prove I did it.

It's his excuse for everything related to any wrongdoing.

"Putin told me he didn't interfere in our election, so he didn't."

"I'm telling you I didn't do anything wrong. So I didn't."

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:34 am

And never forget the, "people are saying" defense.

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$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:38 am

I should start ending all my texts and emails with the dramatic WITCH HUNT!

Can't wait until this clown is out of office.

(WITCH HUNT!)

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:44 am

Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand
-Witch Hunt

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:24 pm

Looking like the Russian spy has now flipped.

Federal prosecutors and defense attorneys may have reached a plea deal in the criminal case against gun rights activist and alleged Russian agent Maria Butina.

In a joint filing Monday, the parties asked the federal district court judge overseeing the case to set a plea hearing at the court’s earliest convenience.

“The parties have resolved this matter, and the Defendant Maria Butina remains in custody,” they wrote.

The parties asked for the plea hearing to be held on either Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday of this week.

Having this shitstorm potentially splatter all over the NRA is just icing on the cake.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:25 pm

Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:44 am Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand
-Witch Hunt

Kudos. Sums up the GOP and Fox and 45 in a single lyric.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:45 pm

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:25 pm
Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:44 am Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand
-Witch Hunt
Kudos. Sums up the GOP and Fox and 45 in a single lyric.

Quick to judge
Quick to anger
Slow to understand

applies as well.