The Outer Worlds [Obsidian]

morlac · Post by **morlac** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:41 am

Grifman wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:05 am
Blackhawk wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:37 pm I still don't get the abject hatred of Epic. The days of having a single game platform are gone. They were gone when EA launched Origin, followed by Uplay and the Bethesda launcher. They're gone the same way having all your shows on one streaming platform is gone. Of all the different game platforms, the only one that gets this kind of absolute spite is Epic. Is it just because of the exclusives? They're not my favorite thing, either, but they're par for every other kind of media. Netflix exclusive Marvel shows. Amazon exclusive Lord of the Rings. XBox exclusive games. Spotify exclusive albums. We're not special, we just have competition for the first time in 15 years. Steam's had a near-monopoly for general game sales, and Epic's trying to end it. This is what that looks like, and I think it'll be good. It'll push Epic and Steam to both innovate and compete for our money.

The same game that plays the same way for the same price. Put it exclusively on Steam and people cheer. Put it exclusively on Epic and people rage. "BOYCOTT! NEVEREPIC!" Do people just hate Epic (the company) that much? Ubi and EA are so much worse to their customers, and they don't get this kind of hatred when the latest Assassin's Creed comes only to Uplay.
The problem is that Epic thinks developers are it's customer, not game buyers. All of their moves so far have been aimed at developers not consumers. If Epic had rolled out a storefront with more and better consumer friendly features than Steam, and/or completed by giving better prices that would have been one thing. But they didn't - they rolled out a totally inferior platform that is only able to compete by locking up games that look to be very popular or desired. Yes, they claim to be adding new features such as achievements, etc in the future, but they are not there now, when they make their initial impression.

And yes, I hate exclusives. I don't have a problem with EA/Ubisoft/Bethesda setting up their own platforms because those are their games to begin with. I'd prefer that I could buy them on Steam (and with Ubisoft I used to be able to do so until Epic - looks like their future games are moving there), but I understand. Netflicks and Amazon aren't relevant because it is their shows that they are producing. We are also used to different networks providing different and unique content - no one expects ABC shows to be on NBC, or Universal movies to be on the FX movie channel.

So in the end, for me it is exclusives - consumers want choice, but forcing me to use Epic to play a game I want isn't choice - it is anti-consumer.

I kinda feel like giving me free games is pretty consumer friendly. Epic is courting developers to build up a viable alternative to steam via giving the a bigger slice of the pie and even bigger ones if they go exclusive or license their engine. This should put more money in the pockets of developers withou charging consumers more. In theory helping srudios keep the lights on and making more good games. While maybe not directly impacting me unless some of the savings are passed along. I can appreciate the impact this coukd have on said devlopers. 5 extra percent profit can be the difference between making another game or closing the doors. In regards to 4 + platforms i could care less. Steam starts on bootup the rest launch when i launch a game and i hardly notice...shrug.

ColdSteel · Post by **ColdSteel** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:21 am

My problem with using the Epic store is one of trust. I don't trust them at all. I saw over at Qt3 that they've engaged in the following:

- The “SteamSpy” app was actually an Epic employee that was gathering data for the Epic Store.

- They had a client in PUBG for years, then launched a directly competing product targeted at the same users. This prompted a lawsuit, which was later dropped.

- They were caught scraping the users’ Steam data.

Maybe none of that was directly illegal but it's sleazy as hell and makes me not trust them enough to use their store.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:11 pm

The Outer Worlds really seems like the kind of game I like, and Obsidian has made some great games. Barring bad reviews, I'm probably in.

And I am starting a separate thread for all the platform discussion so that people can actually discuss the game here.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:43 pm

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:34 pm

25 Oct 2019 -- for some reason, I was expecting this to be out next year (of course, if you're waiting for it on Steam, I guess it is out next year...).

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:58 am

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:06 am

Obsidian makes some great games, and I'm really looking forward to this one. With that said, something about the graphics just don't do it for me. I can't figure out whether it's the tech, the stylistic choice, or something else, but something about it just bothers me.

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:03 pm

You're probably used to a devastated world.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:56 am

I get a sort of "Fallout New Vegas, with color" vibe.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:14 am

Blackhawk wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:06 am Obsidian makes some great games, and I'm really looking forward to this one. With that said, something about the graphics just don't do it for me. I can't figure out whether it's the tech, the stylistic choice, or something else, but something about it just bothers me.

It looks like they're trying to do Borderlands in the Fallout engine. It's clunkier than it should be.

I want to like this, but that trailer actually dampened my enthusiasm.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:58 pm

That looks like a mod of Fallout Vegas. The animation is terrible. I'll wait and see what the reviews are, but that video killed any excitement I had for the game.

Cylus Maxii · Post by **Cylus Maxii** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:08 pm

I'm still pretty excited for it.

morlac · Post by **morlac** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:21 pm

Same but that second trailer sucked.

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:49 am

Just realized: only 10 more days until this is out. Looking forward to it.

wonderpug · Post by **wonderpug** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:16 am

Thanks for the thread bump. I completely forgot I was looking forward to this.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 am

Ugh! Too many games coming out all at once!

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:41 am

Blackhawk wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 am Ugh! Too many games coming out all at once!

It's kind of exciting. I was actually running with no backlog through the summer and now I am starting to get inundated. I actually have choices now!

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:22 pm

Just watched that second trailer. I was iffy to begin with, but that pushed me right out. As with others, the art style just doesn't work for me at all. The jank factor looks to be off the charts.

It'll likely be a "deep discount on a Steam sale 3 years from now" game for me.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:51 pm

The second trailer took me from, "Want!" to "Wait for reviews and non-marketing gameplay footage."

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:04 pm

I didn't like it wasn't Fallout 4 in outer space. It sounds rather limited.
But like Blackhawk I'll take a wait and see attitude.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:09 pm

...and now you guys are giving me pause. I wasn't actually excited about it, but just expected it to be the next thing. Since I already have a bunch of things, it can certainly be a "later" thing.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:25 pm

It may still be amazing. I haven't seen the gameplay or the real-world visuals yet, but the way that trailer made it look was just... bad. Not objectively bad, but something about the way it looks just makes me feel oddly uncomfortable. I don't know what, exactly. Very low-res textures, oddly black shadows, and this effect that reminds me a bit of the weird glowing haze effect that bothered me so much in both Breath of the Wild and No Man's Sky. I don't know for sure, but it is really off-putting.

stimpy · Post by **stimpy** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:04 pm

Eh....this looks great to me. You guys are too damn picky.
I'll be taking the plunge day 1.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:35 pm

Looks great to me too. Cant afford it but someday will play it.

First 20 min....spoilers

Jag · Post by **Jag** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:45 pm

Daehawk wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:35 pm Looks great to me too. Cant afford it but someday will play it.

First 20 min....spoilers

Can you get a cheap Xbox Gamepass for PC? I got a free 3 month trial and this is included. Already finished Gears 5 on the Gamepass.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:55 pm

If it's in the Windows store yes.

Jolor · Post by **Jolor** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:16 pm

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:40 pm

Can you get a cheap Xbox Gamepass for PC? I got a free 3 month trial and this is included. Already finished Gears 5 on the Gamepass.

Looks neat with all the games and the $5 price but it requires Win 10 and I refuse to move from Win 7 64

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:44 pm

The actual gameplay looks a lot better than the trailer.

Daehawk wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:40 pm Looks neat with all the games and the $5 price but it requires Win 10 and I refuse to move from Win 7 64

In about ten weeks you'll stop getting any form of security updates.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:46 pm

Bonsi Buddy will protect him.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:46 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:44 pm The actual gameplay looks a lot better than the trailer.

Daehawk wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:40 pm Looks neat with all the games and the $5 price but it requires Win 10 and I refuse to move from Win 7 64
In about ten weeks you'll stop getting any form of security updates.

Wont affect me any.

Jag · Post by **Jag** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:25 am

Daehawk wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:40 pm
Can you get a cheap Xbox Gamepass for PC? I got a free 3 month trial and this is included. Already finished Gears 5 on the Gamepass.
Looks neat with all the games and the $5 price but it requires Win 10 and I refuse to move from Win 7 64

I recently bought a valid Windows 10 Pro key on Ebay for $2.99.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:28 am

I recently took advantage of a limited time offer Microsoft had for converting Live memberships to Game Pass Ultimate at a 1 to 1 basis. I first purchased two years worth of Live before doing it, and it converted over to 2 1/2 years by the time I was done taking advantage of side offers. I was really surprised that worked.

I'm lovin' it so far. I've been hooked on We Happy Few. Can't wait for Outer Worlds though.

MonkeyFinger · Post by **MonkeyFinger** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:21 am

Yeah, did something similar and was stoked to see that this would be part of it.

Buatha · Post by **Buatha** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:45 pm

FYI, you can preload it on the Xbox One.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:19 pm

Blackhawk wrote:
In about ten weeks you'll stop getting any form of security updates.

Daehawk wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:46 pm Wont affect me any.

I eagerly await your future post exclaiming how unfair the world is when you get pwned by an unpatched exploit.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:52 pm

Hasn't happened in 3 years. Back when I heard about Windows Update installing nagware to get you to switch to Win 10 I turned it off and never ran it again. Works just fine and never a problem. Theres free software I use for antivirus and adware and such. I never see any. Dont you remember all this from years ago when you guys claimed the same thing would happen and it never did? Dont believe all the crap big companies spout.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:29 pm

Daehawk wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:52 pm Hasn't happened in 3 years. Back when I heard about Windows Update installing nagware to get you to switch to Win 10 I turned it off and never ran it again. Works just fine and never a problem. Theres free software I use for antivirus and adware and such. I never see any. Dont you remember all this from years ago when you guys claimed the same thing would happen and it never did? Dont believe all the crap big companies spout.

Believe what you will - I work with enterprises every day that get hit with malware and ransomware. You do you, though.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:32 pm

Eh worst case I format and reinstall win 7.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:59 pm

Sooner or later you'll hit a wall where you either update or stop playing new games. There were holdouts with Win98 and XP, too.