[SyFy]Expanse

Scuzz · Post by **Scuzz** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:10 pm

pr0ner wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:14 pm
Jag wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:37 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:08 pmI think the only character that doesn't really work for me is Chrisjen Avasarala, mainly because I don't think Shohreh Aghdashloo does a very good job. Every line she says looks like she's reading it straight from a teleprompter. Which is weird, as I've seen her in other shows where she's a phenomenal actress. Not sure why she is so stilted and awkward here, but she grates my nerves quite a bit.
Which is unfortunate because Avasarala is such a bad ass in the books. I don't mind the actress, but she doesn't bring the menace, threat and sarcasm as much as the book character.
How much of that is the fact that Avasarala swears a whole fucking lot more in the books than she does on TV?

She is also used much more early in the TV shows than she is in the books. In the shows she starts out as a major player and that isn't how she starts out in the books.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:23 pm

Holman wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:35 pm Somehow it doesn't seem to fit the aesthetics and world-making of gritty realism and shoestring resources, and the effect is to make the set look cheap.

Remember that the Rocinante is a Martian ship. I got the sense from the show that if there's one thing that's not done on "shoestring resources", it's the Martian Navy. Every one of their ships looks pristine and spotless like that, and they seem to be willing to spend whatever it takes to make their military successful (Exhibit A: the Mars Marine power armor).

If a belter ship looked like that, then I'd tend to agree with you. But Mars does their military shit up right.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:49 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:23 pm
Holman wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:35 pm Somehow it doesn't seem to fit the aesthetics and world-making of gritty realism and shoestring resources, and the effect is to make the set look cheap.
Remember that the Rocinante is a Martian ship. I got the sense from the show that if there's one thing that's not done on "shoestring resources", it's the Martian Navy. Every one of their ships looks pristine and spotless like that, and they seem to be willing to spend whatever it takes to make their military successful (Exhibit A: the Mars Marine power armor).

If a belter ship looked like that, then I'd tend to agree with you. But Mars does their military shit up right.

Yeah, but just to belabor the point, it doesn't seem like a military design either. It's too lofty and empty, feeling more like a warehouse than a warship.

I'm being picky, I know, especially when so much about the show's design feels right.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:58 pm

Holman wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:49 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:23 pm
Holman wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:35 pm Somehow it doesn't seem to fit the aesthetics and world-making of gritty realism and shoestring resources, and the effect is to make the set look cheap.
Remember that the Rocinante is a Martian ship. I got the sense from the show that if there's one thing that's not done on "shoestring resources", it's the Martian Navy. Every one of their ships looks pristine and spotless like that, and they seem to be willing to spend whatever it takes to make their military successful (Exhibit A: the Mars Marine power armor).

If a belter ship looked like that, then I'd tend to agree with you. But Mars does their military shit up right.
Yeah, but just to belabor the point, it doesn't seem like a military design either. It's too lofty and empty, feeling more like a warehouse than a warship.

I'm being picky, I know, especially when so much about the show's design feels right.

As a friend who has served on submarines likes to say, submarines are never as open and well lit in real life as they are in the movies.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:45 pm

Holman wrote:
Skinypupy wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:23 pm
Holman wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:35 pm Somehow it doesn't seem to fit the aesthetics and world-making of gritty realism and shoestring resources, and the effect is to make the set look cheap.
Remember that the Rocinante is a Martian ship. I got the sense from the show that if there's one thing that's not done on "shoestring resources", it's the Martian Navy. Every one of their ships looks pristine and spotless like that, and they seem to be willing to spend whatever it takes to make their military successful (Exhibit A: the Mars Marine power armor).

If a belter ship looked like that, then I'd tend to agree with you. But Mars does their military shit up right.
Yeah, but just to belabor the point, it doesn't seem like a military design either. It's too lofty and empty, feeling more like a warehouse than a warship.

I'm being picky, I know, especially when so much about the show's design feels right.

I'm thinking there's a lot of storage built into the hull so you can float freely without bumping into things if needed during combat. Also, Martians due to having to live underground may have opted for an open air design as a matter of aesthetics. Earther ships are rather inelegant.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:03 pm

Holman wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:49 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:23 pm
Holman wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:35 pm Somehow it doesn't seem to fit the aesthetics and world-making of gritty realism and shoestring resources, and the effect is to make the set look cheap.
Remember that the Rocinante is a Martian ship. I got the sense from the show that if there's one thing that's not done on "shoestring resources", it's the Martian Navy. Every one of their ships looks pristine and spotless like that, and they seem to be willing to spend whatever it takes to make their military successful (Exhibit A: the Mars Marine power armor).

If a belter ship looked like that, then I'd tend to agree with you. But Mars does their military shit up right.
Yeah, but just to belabor the point, it doesn't seem like a military design either. It's too lofty and empty, feeling more like a warehouse than a warship.

I'm being picky, I know, especially when so much about the show's design feels right.

Also, the Rosi was designed for a much larger crew. They do have controls and handholds on all surfaces, as well as strapping on all seats, because gravity is variable and acceleration can be a bitch.

I can forgive some unrealistic wide open spaces for camera room. I'll have to reevaluate whether that bothers me from now on.

Scuzz · Post by **Scuzz** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:32 pm

Holman wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:49 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:23 pm
Holman wrote: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:35 pm Somehow it doesn't seem to fit the aesthetics and world-making of gritty realism and shoestring resources, and the effect is to make the set look cheap.
Remember that the Rocinante is a Martian ship. I got the sense from the show that if there's one thing that's not done on "shoestring resources", it's the Martian Navy. Every one of their ships looks pristine and spotless like that, and they seem to be willing to spend whatever it takes to make their military successful (Exhibit A: the Mars Marine power armor).

If a belter ship looked like that, then I'd tend to agree with you. But Mars does their military shit up right.
Yeah, but just to belabor the point, it doesn't seem like a military design either. It's too lofty and empty, feeling more like a warehouse than a warship.

I'm being picky, I know, especially when so much about the show's design feels right.

One other thing to remember, as a Martian military ship it is designed to carry many more people than is the current crew of the Rocinate. I don't know what the normal compliment would be, but every now and then they will show an area with gear for a larger crew.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:09 pm

Season 4 of The Expanse is in the can on Amazon. Could be out by next month.

It’s also possible, however, that because The Expanse is an Amazon show now, the entirety of Season 4 — supposedly 10 episodes in total — will release all at once. If that is indeed the case, then the time between the end of production and the series air date is closer to six months. So Season 4 might not be released on Amazon until July 2019.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:12 pm

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:43 pm

Zaxxon wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:12 pm

What this guy said.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:37 am

Season 4. December 13, 2019. Teaser here:

Longer teaser clip of the Rocinante landing in Ilus here:

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:58 am

I. Cannot. Wait.

This has become my current favorite show and book series. I'm about to go away on an extended vacation, and Amazon just delivered Books 5 (Nemesis Games) and 6 (Babylon's Ashes). Looking forward to diving into those shortly!

Also, I think season 4 of the show has the potential to be amazing.

Cibola Burn was not actually my favorite Expanse book so far, but I think it's going to translate exceedingly well to the screen and also give the actors some excellent material to work with. It's far less focused on technology and space faring than the other books, but the conflicts and tensions of the planet-side events on Ilus/New Terra are going to be fun to watch play out with this cast.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:55 pm

Looks like Amazon sunk some serious cash into the show, from the looks of those special effects.

Can't wait!

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:17 pm

In terms of realism and scientific accuracy (both of which I prize), Expanse is among the best sf ever. Maybe even THE best. Looks like Bezos feels the same way. And because we have Prime, I can actually watch it!

MonkeyFinger · Post by **MonkeyFinger** » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:35 am

Yeah, really looking forward to this. Love how they've handled the transition of the story from the books to the small screen, now I just need to remember what was going on back then. Finished book eight (Tiamat's Wrath) of nine earlier this year, amazing how the story has expanded from its humble beginnings.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:27 am

MonkeyFinger wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:35 am Yeah, really looking forward to this. Love how they've handled the transition of the story from the books to the small screen, now I just need to remember what was going on back then. Finished book eight (Tiamat's Wrath) of nine earlier this year, amazing how the story has expanded from its humble beginnings.

Spoilered for anyone who doesn’t want to hear about the setup for Cibola Burn (Book 4):

Spoiler:

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:17 pm

Amazon announced they've already approved Season 5:

Amazon clearly has a lot of confidence in its revival of The Expanse -- the internet giant has renewed the gritty sci-fi show for a fifth season months before season four's December 13th premiere. That's not completely surprising when the Prime Video series both has a devoted following from its Syfy days and an experienced team. Nonetheless, it's likely to be comforting for fans worried that Amazon might resurrect the show only to axe it soon afterward.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I would take this to mean they like what they've been seeing so far and that it's likely cheaper to keep production rolling now rather than stop and drag it all out.

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:12 pm

Excellent

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:30 pm

This is about the books, specifically Babylon's Ashes, but we have no book thread and it's non-spoilery, so...

I love that there's a ship in this world named the Mark Watney, out of Mars, of course.

That is all.

MonkeyFinger · Post by **MonkeyFinger** » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:19 am

Yup... I LOL'd at that.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:11 pm

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:34 pm

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:35 pm

I'm free right now.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:38 pm

I watched earlier and got deep into season 2 and then got distracted. Now I've decided to read the books first because, you know, George R.R. Martin or something.

Can someone tell me where each season falls in the sequence of novels? Is it (roughly) one book per season?

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:41 pm

Kind of. This coming season (four) corresponds to book four (Cibola Burn). However, the first three seasons don't all fit perfectly across books one to three.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:24 am

The first season is up to the point in the first book where Eros moves.

The second season wraps up the first book in the fifth episode, "Home", then picks up the second book in the next episode.

The third season wraps up book two in the sixth episode, "Immolation", then rushes through the third book in the rest of the season.

They do take some liberties with characters (introducing them early, melding two into one, etc), and add in back story from some of the novellas or later novels, but all in all, it stays pretty faithful to the overall book storylines.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:49 am

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:03 pm

A character refresher for Season 4.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:20 pm

Season 4 got released early.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:38 pm

Defiant wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:20 pm Season 4 got released early.

Yes!!! Much more interesting than watching the Ravens run up the score against the helpless Jets.

BELTALOWDA!

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:43 am

Holy shit, Amazon is putting up HDR versions of the first three seasons, too.

I am Jack's unrestrained excitement.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:23 am

Episode 1 of the new season did not disappoint! Some small changes, but seems like it’s following the plot pretty closely.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:53 am

I just happened to turn on Prime and there it was! This was my least favorite of the books, but hey it's The Expanse!

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:41 pm

Just finished episode 1 and it was pretty great. It also looks like Amazon upped the budget on the show; the effects were never bad, but now they look noticeably better. Also, more cursing!

Sudy · Post by **Sudy** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:53 am

Glad Thomas Jane is still poking around. I just miss him when he was alive.

MonkeyFinger · Post by **MonkeyFinger** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:09 am

I need to start binging this!

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:22 pm

Watched another 3 episodes last night and went to bed way too late. For book readers, looks like this season is definitely taking some turns away from the book. Not surprisingly, the pacing is different (very accelerated), but it's also interesting to see some of the decisions the writers have made to change up some of the key characters in this one. Not bad at all, but it took me a little to get used to. Still, I'm loving season 4.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:39 pm

Just finished the first episode of season 4 and it was fantastic. The special effects are cinema level in many cases...sometimes even better than most films I’ve seen recently. The story is pure sci fi goodness too. Can’t wait to make my way through the rest of the season.

The only thing I found odd was that the usually great actress Shoreh Aghdashloo seems to have forgotten she’s a great actress. Her acting seemed really off. Maybe it’s just me, but everyone else was firing on all cylinders, and she seemed to just be phoning it in.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:07 am

If drunken sailors had phones.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:55 am

Jaymann wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:07 am If drunken sailors had phones.

They'd call other drunken sailors?