Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020? No, it's 2020!

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:16 am

Warren is also said to meeting with aides as “assessing the path forward.”

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:16 am

Guess I'm going to have to vote for Tulsi then.

...just kidding.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:18 am

There's a certain irony in the fact that pre-Super Tuesday, Bernie was demanding that whoever had a plurality of the delegates going into the convention should be the nominee

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:21 am

Octavious wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:22 am Ya we might have Bernie and his supporters to thank for 8 years of Trump. If they sit out the election because Bernie isn't in we're in a world of hurt.

USA Today say, he's not bringing the youth vote everyone says he's bringing

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 4947795002

Exit polls for five southern states that Biden won – Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia – found that young voters did not show up at the polls in the numbers they did in 2016.

In addition, the Vermont senator has been grabbing a smaller share of them in most cases.

In Alabama, only 7% of the voters were in the 17-29 range compared to 14% in 2016. Sanders won six of every 10 of those voters Tuesday compared to four of 10 in 2016.
In North Carolina, 13% of Tuesday’s electorate were young voters, compared to 16% four years ago. Of those, 57% went for Sanders in 2020 compared to 69% in 2016.
In South Carolina, young voters made up 11% of the electorate Tuesday compared to 15% in 2016. Sanders won 43% of those voters Tuesday compared to 54% four years ago.
In Tennessee, 11% of those voters showed up Tuesday versus 15% in 2016. Sanders did better among that group Tuesday winning 65% compared to 61% four years ago.
In Virginia, young voters comprised 13% of Tuesday’s vote compared to 16% in 2016. Sanders won 57% of those voters Tuesday compared to 69% four years ago.

Even Sanders’ home state of Vermont showed a lackluster turnout of young millennials and 'Gen Zers.' Only 10% of the state’s electorate were under 30 compared to 15% when he ran against Clinton, according to exit polls.

And a similar trend was playing out in Texas where 16% of voters were between 17 and 29 compared to 20% in 2016.

The common theme in all six states: Sanders fared worse this year than he did when he faced eventual nominee Hillary Clinton four years ago.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:32 am

Bernie Twitter is lashing out like mad today. They’re committed to hating the “Democratic Establishment” (that is, everyone who didn’t vote Bernie) as much or more than hating Trump.

I continue to hope that what I see on social media is only an aberrant subset.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:42 am

It could be Russian influencers too, but there's no way of knowing.
Not sure which is worse.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:43 am

Holman wrote:Bernie Twitter is lashing out like mad today. They’re committed to hating the “Democratic Establishment” (that is, everyone who didn’t vote Bernie) as much or more than hating Trump.

I continue to hope that what I see on social media is only an aberrant subset.

Don't forget that a number of those are Russian bots.

Edit: beaten to the punch!

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:45 am

Geeve the man hees mohney.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:10 pm

And if Bernie is not denouncing them it doesn't matter if they are bots or trolls. This is where I began to part ways with Sanders on the verge of losing to Clinton. Where I finally started to feel that enlightenment others saw before me. I don't mind that he doesn't know when he's beat. I mind that as we are steered further and further into an abyss, what he's willing to lose in his refusal to accept the direction of the very establishment he's trying to win over. The problem isn't that he's not a team player. It's that he's so focused on being Bernie player that you know damned well he'll be a worse than average bad president. As a former supporter, that makes particularly sad.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:54 pm

https://twitter.com/jaynordlinger/statu ... 8636124161

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:08 pm

Does the orange moron finish rl chats with force?

"Hows the salad? Those steaks are wonderful aren't they? My chef COOKED THAT!!"

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:40 pm

Defiant wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:54 pm https://twitter.com/jaynordlinger/statu ... 8636124161

It's (not so) funny that when I follow the link, Twitter decides to put "more tweets" and alternates between current Obama and Trump tweets. Wow, that juxtaposition looks like political design by Twitter and really does illustrate the stark differences in what we beg for in a leader.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:44 pm

Holman wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:17 pm Just heard an amazing figure:

Pete Buttigieg could run for president in 2060 and only then be Bernie Sanders’ age.

I shared this with my 12 year old son on our drive into school today.

He said, “That’s assuming we still hold elections in 2060”

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:42 pm

Sharp kid.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:46 pm

HE could run for President in 2060.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:57 pm

Holman wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:16 am Warren is also said to meeting with aides as “assessing the path forward.”

She's going to endorse Sanders.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:59 pm

Unagi wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:57 pm
Holman wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:16 am Warren is also said to meeting with aides as “assessing the path forward.”
She's going to endorse Sanders.

I don't what she'll do, but what's interesting is that her support is almost 50-50 (maaaybe 60-40) going to both Sanders and Biden.

My hope is that, even without a viable path forward, Warren should stay in through the March 15 debate. Her voice is important, and she'll be in a unique position to hold both Biden and Bernie accountable to reality even if she bows out in her final statement.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:40 pm

I'm still kinda stunned she's not getting more votes in these states. Of the 3 (Biden/Warren/Sanders) I think she's the best choice for numerous reasons, quite frankly. When women finally take over (and don't delude yourselves, it's going to happen), I feel like there's going to be a reckoning that even the most dystopian sci-fi writers couldn't have imagined.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:39 pm

Holman wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:59 pm
Unagi wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:57 pm
Holman wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:16 am Warren is also said to meeting with aides as “assessing the path forward.”
She's going to endorse Sanders.

I don't what she'll do, but what's interesting is that her support is almost 50-50 (maaaybe 60-40) going to both Sanders and Biden.

My hope is that, even without a viable path forward, Warren should stay in through the March 15 debate. Her voice is important, and she'll be in a unique position to hold both Biden and Bernie accountable to reality even if she bows out in her final statement.

We've all accepted the story that it's a two-way race now, even though 2/3 of the delegates are still up for grabs. With another great debate performance...who knows? I would love to see her take them both on with no distractions.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm

I think Warren's not in an enviable position. My take is that her best choices if she decides to drop out is to either not endorse anyone or endorse Sanders, but with some conditions, something along the lines of him taking concrete steps to broaden his base (something he would have to do anyway) and that if it's clear he won't be able to get the numbers to win, that he end his campaign rather than drag it out, and rally around the nominee.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:55 pm

Unagi wrote:
Holman wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:17 pm Just heard an amazing figure:

Pete Buttigieg could run for president in 2060 and only then be Bernie Sanders’ age.
I shared this with my 12 year old son on our drive into school today.

He said, “That’s assuming we still hold elections in 2060”

Nice. That apple did not fall far.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:15 am

Kraken wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:39 pm We've all accepted the story that it's a two-way race now, even though 2/3 of the delegates are still up for grabs.

Well, it's simple math at this point. She'd have to take 50% of the vote from here on out to even get 1/3 of the total votes. How likely is that, given her current performance so far, and she couldn't even win her home state? It's not like she's being written off for no good reason.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:21 am

Grifman wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:15 am
Kraken wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:39 pm We've all accepted the story that it's a two-way race now, even though 2/3 of the delegates are still up for grabs.
Well, it's simple math at this point. She'd have to take 50% of the vote from here on out to even get 1/3 of the total votes. How likely is that, given her current performance so far, and she couldn't even win her home state? It's not like she's being written off for no good reason.

Cheerfully conceded. She's not going to zoom into the lead. She could still have a seat at the convention, but that's a stretch, too. Warren is a very smart woman; if she doesn't drop out, she has a reason, and if there's no reason to keep going, she won't. I sure do want to see her in one more debate, though.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:19 am

Anyway, I'm reasonably satisfied with where we are in terms of the Democratic primary. We have a centrist / moderate and a progressive / left-wing standard-bearer left. They're close enough in delegates that either has a shot at victory. So, they'll have some time to debate and duke it out, and we'll see who puts together the stronger case.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:22 am

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:05 pm Hopefully this doesn't get lost in the Super Tuesday Insanity
Democrats just flipped a state house seat in Maine by 15 points tonight that Trump previously carried by 8 points. Terrible news for Susan Collins.

I honestly hope Mainers don't give her any slack. She's earned none. She's voted against this state time and again in order to side with her party, and I think the people here who vote pay attention to that. I know I plan to.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:30 am

But she's always very concerned.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:31 am

LordMortis wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:30 am Put she's always very concerned.

I expect her "I think Donald Trump has learned his lesson" quote is going to get a lot of airtime in the fall.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:08 pm

Look who's back!

https://twitter.com/RalphNader/status/1 ... 19746?s=20

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:10 pm

Elizabeth Warren is ending her presidential campaign

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/05/politics ... index.html

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:24 pm

So Tulsi is our last, best hope?

/s

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:29 pm

Holman wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:08 pm Look who's back!

https://twitter.com/RalphNader/status/1 ... 19746?s=20

First of all, wouldn't "triple BBB" be "BBBBBBBBB"? Or "BBB BBB BBB"?

Second, that's not how acronyms work. You're saying that he's the "triple BBWMB" candidate.

Third, STFU. Another example of how acronyms are supposed to work.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:55 pm

If you say it by pronouncing the individual letters (e.g. FBI), it's an initialism. If you say it as a word (e.g. NATO), then it's an acronym.

This message was brought to you by the letters OCD.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:57 pm

Max Peck wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:55 pm If you say it by pronouncing the individual letters (e.g. FBI), it's an initialism. If you say it as a word (e.g. NATO), then it's an acronym.

This message was brought to you by the letters OCD.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:58 pm

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:07 pm

El Guapo wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:29 pm Second, that's not how acronyms work. You're saying that he's the "triple BBWMB" candidate.

The dems have WMBs! Invade the coasts!

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:19 pm

Yup

https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/12 ... 5806263296

So the 2020 election is going to come down to:

- A 73-year-old conspiracy theorist who rambles incoherently and lies constantly
vs.
- A 77-year-old who rambles and sometimes loses his place
or
- A 78-year-old socialist who just had a heart attack

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:20 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:19 pm Yup

https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/12 ... 5806263296

So the 2020 election is going to come down to:

- A 73-year-old conspiracy theorist who rambles incoherently and lies constantly
vs.
- A 77-year-old who rambles and sometimes loses his place
or
- A 78-year-old socialist who just had a heart attack

That's actually a pretty favorable framing for Biden.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:23 pm

Hey, don't forget the 38 year old Democrat that no one likes but Republicans. Or the 74 year old Republican that only Democrats like.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:37 pm

There's also the 58 year old Republican who everyone hates.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:38 pm

I think he dropped out.