Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020? No, it's 2020!

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:47 pm

I'm thinking if Biden gets the nomination it's a rare do-over opportunity for the Dems. They got complacent with all the polls favoring Clinton, and many voted against her rather than for Trump, I mean how bad could it be? Well they found out just how terrible it can be. The Democratic victories in state contests point to an engaged party. Without Bernie polarization, the back to normalcy appeal of the Obama VP, and fear and loathing of Trump should carry the day.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:10 pm

Jaymann wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:47 pm I'm thinking if Biden gets the nomination it's a rare do-over opportunity for the Dems. They got complacent with all the polls favoring Clinton, and many voted against her rather than for Trump, I mean how bad could it be? Well they found out just how terrible it can be. The Democratic victories in state contests point to an engaged party. Without Bernie polarization, the back to normalcy appeal of the Obama VP, and fear and loathing of Trump should carry the day.

I hope you are right. Them was always asking why Clinton, if they only just ran Biden, this would be easypeasy, no baggage, in 2015. If Biden, goes down in flames as bad or worse the HRC, then there'd be some serious self reflection on what it means to be part of the party... Well there would be if there was time and energy to spare against keeping our collective house from falling apart.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:43 pm

Defiant wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:38 pm I think he dropped out.

You're right. Hard to believe that slipped past my radar - I pay super close attention to all the important candidates.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:17 pm

Jaymann wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:47 pm I'm thinking if Biden gets the nomination it's a rare do-over opportunity for the Dems.

Funny I think is the not so rare do-same mistake by the Dems. Their flawed conventional wisdom keeps getting punched in the face and we all suffer for it.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:52 pm

https://twitter.com/ThirdWayMattB/statu ... 9089546242

Really appreciate this from AOC.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:09 pm

El Guapo wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:52 pm Really appreciate this from AOC.

+1

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:23 pm

https://twitter.com/NormOrnstein/status ... 5384912897

Romney said he will vote for subpoena about Hunter Biden after #RussianRonJohnson gave him assurances it would not become a public spectacle. Yeah, right. The only reason #RussianRonJohnson is doing this is to make it a public spectacle for political gain. Oh, Mitt.....

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:08 pm

Romney is and always was a waffler. Standing up to Trump’s stupidity just isn’t in his (lack of a back) bones.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:22 pm

Ah, Mitt. A man of strong conditional courage.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:37 am

That's why I never jumped on the "Mitt is a hero" bandwagon. These guys are all the same.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:03 pm

The fucktard Russian bitch idiot is back.

Gabbard calls on Biden, Sanders to help put her on debate stage

Bout bust a gut laughing when I read the headline.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:10 pm

You may not like Gabbard, but is it really necessary to call her that?

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:46 pm

El Guapo wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:52 pm
Really appreciate this from AOC.

Good for her. Wonder how much support from the fanatics that will cost her.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:35 pm

Alefroth wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:46 pm
El Guapo wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:52 pm
Really appreciate this from AOC.
Good for her. Wonder how much support from the fanatics that will cost her.

Sanders supporters are already getting angry with her on Twitter for even saying that.

They're also mad with Warren for going on SNL instead of immediately endorsing Bernie.

Also, Kamala Harris endorsed Biden today.

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:26 pm

pr0ner wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:35 pm Sanders supporters are already getting angry with her on Twitter for even saying that.

They're also mad with Warren for going on SNL instead of immediately endorsing Bernie.

Also, Kamala Harris endorsed Biden today.

https://twitter.com/elliottchrist/statu ... 76704?s=20

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:21 pm

The more I hear from Sanders supporters re: Biden's rise (this includes some good friends), the more I'm glad he got whipped last week. I don't trust cults on the right OR the left.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:15 am

If I needed any more reason to support Biden:

https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/12 ... 2238988289

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:52 am

Booker has endorsed Biden.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:30 am

pr0ner wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:35 pm
Alefroth wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:46 pm
El Guapo wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:52 pm
Really appreciate this from AOC.
Good for her. Wonder how much support from the fanatics that will cost her.
Sanders supporters are already getting angry with her on Twitter for even saying that.

They're also mad with Warren for going on SNL instead of immediately endorsing Bernie.

Also, Kamala Harris endorsed Biden today.

What I will say in defense of Sanders supporters in general on this is that: (1) Warren was a little cute / coy about her endorsement on SNL; and (2) this is an absolutely *critical* point in the campaign for Sanders. He's roughly on par with Biden delegate-wise right now, but if the polls hold up in their current state for the next few weeks or so, Biden's going to build an almost insurmountable delegate lead. So her endorsement is important *now* - if she waits even just a couple weeks, it may well be too late to do Sanders much good.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:31 am

Maybe Warren would rather endorse Biden? You never know.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:32 am

Defiant wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:15 am If I needed any more reason to support Biden:

https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/12 ... 2238988289

I would say that the people around Biden vs. the people around Sanders are the main reason I lean towards supporting Biden.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:35 am

pr0ner wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:31 am Maybe Warren would rather endorse Biden? You never know.

Maybe! And I suppose that she probably has had a bunch of unpleasant interactions with Sanders supporters lately. But I think it's reasonably clear that Sanders is closer to her politics than Biden is.

Anyway, my point is not that she owes her endorsement to Sanders (or anyone), but that Sanders is in dire peril now, so I understand why Sanders supporters would be freaking out a bit about her not (at least for now) endorsing Sanders.

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:50 am

El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:30 am What I will say in defense of Sanders supporters in general on this is that: (1) Warren was a little cute / coy about her endorsement on SNL; and (2) this is an absolutely *critical* point in the campaign for Sanders. He's roughly on par with Biden delegate-wise right now, but if the polls hold up in their current state for the next few weeks or so, Biden's going to build an almost insurmountable delegate lead. So her endorsement is important *now* - if she waits even just a couple weeks, it may well be too late to do Sanders much good.

I know I'm rough on certain segments of Sanders' supporters, but to be clear it's not directed at anyone here. I actually like some of the ideas beyond Sanders' policies, and I understand about being passionate in one's support of a candidate. I just wish that some would remember that even if we're not all in the same corner, we're all on the same side ultimately.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:55 am

El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:35 am
pr0ner wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:31 am Maybe Warren would rather endorse Biden? You never know.
Maybe! And I suppose that she probably has had a bunch of unpleasant interactions with Sanders supporters lately. But I think it's reasonably clear that Sanders is closer to her politics than Biden is.

With the Harris/Booker nods this morning she is the only major holdout for a nomination. I expect she would ordinarily be chased desperately by Sanders but after the Clyburn story...maybe he isn't. It is really amazing Sanders got this far considering it sounds like he is an awful politician at this level. I will be very surprised if she goes with anyone but Biden.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:57 am

Dogstar wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:50 am
El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:30 am What I will say in defense of Sanders supporters in general on this is that: (1) Warren was a little cute / coy about her endorsement on SNL; and (2) this is an absolutely *critical* point in the campaign for Sanders. He's roughly on par with Biden delegate-wise right now, but if the polls hold up in their current state for the next few weeks or so, Biden's going to build an almost insurmountable delegate lead. So her endorsement is important *now* - if she waits even just a couple weeks, it may well be too late to do Sanders much good.
I know I'm rough on certain segments of Sanders' supporters, but to be clear it's not directed at anyone here. I actually like some of the ideas beyond Sanders' policies, and I understand about being passionate in one's support of a candidate. I just wish that some would remember that even if we're not all in the same corner, we're all on the same side ultimately.

Part of the issue is that Sanders attacks the "Democratic establishment" almost as much as Republicans, and draws a significant portion of his support from people who at the very least are less than committed to the Democratic Party.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:31 am

Here we go - let the investigations begin! So far it's been lost in the Coronavirus incompetence.

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/statu ... 9356559360

Politico

The Federal Bureau of Investigation raided a health care business linked to Joe Biden’s brother in late January, seizing boxes of documents.

The raid of an Americore Health hospital represented a deepening of the legal morass surrounding James Biden’s recent venture into health care investing at a time when questions about the business dealings of Joe Biden’s relatives, and their alleged connection to the former vice president’s public service, continue to dog his presidential campaign.

In the weeks since the raid, two small medical firms that did business with James Biden have claimed in civil court proceedings to have obtained evidence that he may have fraudulently transferred funds from Americore “outside of the ordinary course of business,” and a former Americore executive has told POLITICO that James Biden had more than half a million dollars transferred to him from the firm as a personal loan that has not yet been repaid.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:36 am

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:50 am

I forgot to emphasize where Politico leans into the Hunter Biden bullshit. Don't underestimate how massive the shit show is going to get.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:01 am

When it's Randy Weaver, this shit is the end of the nation.
When it's a political opponent of the president who is cleaning house and literally demanding unyielding loyalty to DJT.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/sta ... 6175725568

Potus tweet yesterday:

“Trump has outmastered the Deep State. He’s light years ahead of us.” MSDNC. I disagree. We have a long way to go. There are still some very bad, sick people in our government - people who do not love our Country (In fact, they hate our Country!).

Followed by

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/sta ... 4744241154

The Obama/Biden Administration is the most corrupt Administration in the history of our Country!

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:40 pm

I've been spotted at the bottom, though it's more for November. So maybe I'll take the Lions one.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:16 pm

CNN headline is Biden & Sanders cancel rallies.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:00 pm

It's really starting to look like Biden has sewn it up. If current trends hold, in a few hours Sanders will have no path to the nomination.

If that happens, the next chapter is all about Sanders' response and his followers' reactions.

EDIT: This is obviously going to be very hard for them. Sanders was the presumptive nominee just two weeks ago.

Of course they're not the only ones to see a favorite candidate's clear lead disappear as events moved forward. Hopefully they'll be able to suck it up like actual adults.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:30 pm

It seems that the dozen-person 2020 Democratic field has decided on a candidate faster than the two-person 2016 Dem field did.

That's weird.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:38 pm

Id vote for the coronavirus over Trump.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:32 pm

I wonder if Sanders will drop out before the debate this weekend or if he'll still push onward.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:34 pm

pr0ner wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:32 pm I wonder if Sanders will drop out before the debate this weekend or if he'll still push onward.

Have you met Bernie Sanders?

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:43 pm

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1 ... 2178417665

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:49 pm

El Guapo wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:34 pm
pr0ner wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:32 pm I wonder if Sanders will drop out before the debate this weekend or if he'll still push onward.
Have you met Bernie Sanders?

No. Do you think I should?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:55 pm

pr0ner wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:49 pm
El Guapo wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:34 pm
pr0ner wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:32 pm I wonder if Sanders will drop out before the debate this weekend or if he'll still push onward.
Have you met Bernie Sanders?
No. Do you think I should?

Heh. I mean, he went on in 2016 months after he was clearly doomed, so I'm not sure why he would do anything differently this time. And to be fair, it would be a little bonkers for him to drop out before next week's elections - there's a debate on Sunday. It's not crazy for him to hope on a chain of events like: (1) the media gets bored and decides to write a bunch of pro-Sanders stories; (2) Sanders does well / Biden does poorly in Sunday's debate; (3) some other news story breaks Sanders's way; (4) Sanders does well next week, generating more "here comes Sanders!" stories in the media, etc.

He's probably screwed, sure, but I'd still be surprised if he dropped out before the end of March, if not April.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:01 am

Oh, I am sure you're right. I was just wondering if it was a real possibility that he decides to close up shop now and actually let the party unify behind Biden.