Corona Virus: It's a Marathon, Not a Sprint

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:41 pm

stessier wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:38 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:34 pm
stessier wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:24 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:05 pm https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/defense-production-act-coronavirus-trump-respirators-masks-ventilators.html
That article is light on details.

One company has announced they have doubled their production and going 24/7 were up to 100 million masks a month. How is the act going to improve on that?
It is the summation of other articles. You need to dig in to get the big picture. The idea is that as this ramps up there will be shortages of medical supplies all across the country. Maybe a company that already makes a product says they can ramp up to x amount per month but they have no way of knowing what 50 states demand is going to be. The Federal government could coordinate that communication instead of having every manufacturer have to plug into the demand across 50 states directly. At the highest level the DPA is tool to build coordination and guidance from raw material to end state product at a strategic level. It is *badly* needed.
It is not a summation of anything and if it intends to be, it sucks. It makes unsubstantiated claims and does nothing to explain it's thesis - merely says this needs to happen. It belongs in your Death of the 4th estate thread.

It has 5 links. One of them goes deep into the details that I just abstracted out. Also, I don't think this is deathwatch material. It is analysis. He links out to the pieces he read to come to the conclusion. It is a pretty straight forward piece of writing IMO.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:43 pm

Hong Kong appeared to have the coronavirus under control, then it let its guard down

What good is sealing yourself off if you dont seal yourself off? Stop letting people in..even citizens. Its like putting a bandaid on your cut but taking it off a bunch during the day to lick it.

Hong Kong was proof that these measures worked, with the city of 7.5 million only reporting some 150 cases at the start of March, even as the number of infections spiked in other East Asian territories like South Korea and Japan, and spread rapidly across Europe and North America.
Now, however, Hong Kong is providing a very different object lesson -- what happens when you let your guard down too soon. The number of confirmed cases has almost doubled in the past week, with many imported from overseas, as Hong Kong residents who had left -- either to work or study abroad, or to seek safety when the city seemed destined for a major outbreak earlier this year -- return, bringing the virus back with them.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:49 pm

malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:41 pm
stessier wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:38 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:34 pm
stessier wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:24 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:05 pm https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/defense-production-act-coronavirus-trump-respirators-masks-ventilators.html
That article is light on details.

One company has announced they have doubled their production and going 24/7 were up to 100 million masks a month. How is the act going to improve on that?
It is the summation of other articles. You need to dig in to get the big picture. The idea is that as this ramps up there will be shortages of medical supplies all across the country. Maybe a company that already makes a product says they can ramp up to x amount per month but they have no way of knowing what 50 states demand is going to be. The Federal government could coordinate that communication instead of having every manufacturer have to plug into the demand across 50 states directly. At the highest level the DPA is tool to build coordination and guidance from raw material to end state product at a strategic level. It is *badly* needed.
It is not a summation of anything and if it intends to be, it sucks. It makes unsubstantiated claims and does nothing to explain it's thesis - merely says this needs to happen. It belongs in your Death of the 4th estate thread.
It has 5 links. One of them goes deep into the details that I just abstracted out.

I followed all the links when reading - that is the only one behind a wall that I can't get. I'll have to assume it covers everything you say. The rest don't add anything or build a case.

Edit: You added after I quote (which is fine) - but I still disagree. It basically says "read the NYT piece." Gee - thanks.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:51 pm

malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:07 pm What an asshole.

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1242133286312382470

New Rand Paul statement: “For those who want to criticize me for lack of quarantine, realize that if the rules on testing had been followed to a tee, I would never have been tested and would still be walking around the halls of the Capitol.”

“The current guidelines would not have called for me to get tested nor quarantined. It was my extra precaution, out of concern for my damaged lung, that led me to get tested,” Paul said. “The broader the testing and the less finger-pointing we have, the better.”

Rand Paul's reckless, feckless actions on coronavirus

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:55 pm

stessier wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:49 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:41 pm
stessier wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:38 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:34 pm
stessier wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:24 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:05 pm https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/defense-production-act-coronavirus-trump-respirators-masks-ventilators.html
That article is light on details.

One company has announced they have doubled their production and going 24/7 were up to 100 million masks a month. How is the act going to improve on that?
It is the summation of other articles. You need to dig in to get the big picture. The idea is that as this ramps up there will be shortages of medical supplies all across the country. Maybe a company that already makes a product says they can ramp up to x amount per month but they have no way of knowing what 50 states demand is going to be. The Federal government could coordinate that communication instead of having every manufacturer have to plug into the demand across 50 states directly. At the highest level the DPA is tool to build coordination and guidance from raw material to end state product at a strategic level. It is *badly* needed.
It is not a summation of anything and if it intends to be, it sucks. It makes unsubstantiated claims and does nothing to explain it's thesis - merely says this needs to happen. It belongs in your Death of the 4th estate thread.
It has 5 links. One of them goes deep into the details that I just abstracted out.
I followed all the links when reading - that is the only one behind a wall that I can't get. I'll have to assume it covers everything you say. The rest don't add anything or build a case.

The focus of the original article is on why Trump hasn't invoked the DPA, when hospitals and providers and many other groups struggling with supply shortages have begged him to do so. Honestly, that fact alone is pretty good evidence that the DPA should be invoked (that the people dealing with the problem overwhelmingly think it should be). What we haven't known, up until the NYT article today came out, is any real reason why Trump isn't invoking it, when he has been under pressure to do so (indeed, Trump's being under pressure on this is evidenced by the many contradictory explanations Trump has given (including Trump falsely claiming a couple times that he has invoked the act).

The NYT article is the first clue we've gotten as to why he hasn't. And honestly, not being able to access the NYT article is a bit of a problem, as that's the core of the story.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:56 pm

Olympics nuked until 2021.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:56 pm

stessier wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:49 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:41 pm
stessier wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:38 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:34 pm
stessier wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:24 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:05 pm https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/defense-production-act-coronavirus-trump-respirators-masks-ventilators.html
That article is light on details.

One company has announced they have doubled their production and going 24/7 were up to 100 million masks a month. How is the act going to improve on that?
It is the summation of other articles. You need to dig in to get the big picture. The idea is that as this ramps up there will be shortages of medical supplies all across the country. Maybe a company that already makes a product says they can ramp up to x amount per month but they have no way of knowing what 50 states demand is going to be. The Federal government could coordinate that communication instead of having every manufacturer have to plug into the demand across 50 states directly. At the highest level the DPA is tool to build coordination and guidance from raw material to end state product at a strategic level. It is *badly* needed.
It is not a summation of anything and if it intends to be, it sucks. It makes unsubstantiated claims and does nothing to explain it's thesis - merely says this needs to happen. It belongs in your Death of the 4th estate thread.
It has 5 links. One of them goes deep into the details that I just abstracted out.
I followed all the links when reading - that is the only one behind a wall that I can't get. I'll have to assume it covers everything you say. The rest don't add anything or build a case.

Edit: You added after I quote (which is fine) - but I still disagree. It basically says "read the NYT piece." Gee - thanks.

The problem is that the NYT story is the key news today that the article is launching off of. So yeah, not being able to read the NYT is a wee bit of a problem. So....go read the NYT piece.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:58 pm

https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status ... 7515512832

This is 100% what we need. Still love Pelosi.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:06 pm

It was good of them to use a little extra time to get a tight message out!

Edit: Notable because the CW going into the weekend was that McConnell outmaneuvered Pelosi. He badly played his hand and now just got judo flipped. Interesting but still I'd rather they could work out problems like adults.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:19 pm

This is a perfect response to the "we shouldn't be playing politics in a crisis" card.

Since it is literally, "Here's how we ensure everyone can still vote...during a crisis"

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:32 pm

You may want to be sitting down for this, but his claim that the big auto manufacturers will be switching over to making ventilators was a flat-out lie.

Shocking, I know.

https://www.mlive.com/coronavirus/2020/ ... dspress_sf

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:34 pm

Daehawk wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:51 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:07 pm What an asshole.

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1242133286312382470

New Rand Paul statement: “For those who want to criticize me for lack of quarantine, realize that if the rules on testing had been followed to a tee, I would never have been tested and would still be walking around the halls of the Capitol.”

“The current guidelines would not have called for me to get tested nor quarantined. It was my extra precaution, out of concern for my damaged lung, that led me to get tested,” Paul said. “The broader the testing and the less finger-pointing we have, the better.”

Rand Paul's reckless, feckless actions on coronavirus

His justification is even worse: I was tested but I'm acting as I would have if I wasn't tested. Which means I got tested for nothing.

Unredeemable piece of shit. I mean he was before, this is just more proof for the pile.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:41 pm

Plus, he called on the mat by Cillizza. No greater indignity can be imagined. It is way worse than getting beat up by your neighbor.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:45 pm

I strongly suspect he was crapping his pants behind the scenes and demanded a test despite having no symptoms. I do hope that information is revealed, ideally by way of a phone call that he made demanding to be tested because of his lung issues. Not that it will make a difference, but I'd at least like to confirm my belief as to how this all went down. I don't believe for one second he was randomly given a test out of "an abundance of caution" when there are frontline workers that are literally risking their lives daily. Either he's lying or they're aggressively testing elected officials behind the scenes without telling us it's happening.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:50 pm

Maybe... 10-14? days ago, Smoove said that some of the projections put the US at 30K cases by the 23rd.

It's the 23rd and there are over 41K cases.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:57 pm

Saw a friend online fussing about the Dems holding up the stimulus. He was saying its got things it that wont allow corps to funnel money to CEOs, cant fire workers, and cant buy stock. He thinks the Republicans have written that. He was fussing at the Dems when its the Dems trying to fight for that. Its as if Republicans are totally deaf dumb and blind these days. I dont get it. They can simply ignore any and all bad as good.

I guess we as a country deserve this as half voted and support this stupid government and the other half are doing nothing to remove him, it , them.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:10 pm

malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:06 pm It was good of them to use a little extra time to get a tight message out!

Edit: Notable because the CW going into the weekend was that McConnell outmaneuvered Pelosi. He badly played his hand and now just got judo flipped. Interesting but still I'd rather they could work out problems like adults.

I still wonder whether it would've made sense to introduce the Democratic bill first, and/or whether this was intentional strategy or not. But I think they're in an ok position regardless. Though Democratic leadership will need to resist the temptation to stack every Democratic policy priority in this fight (Green New Deal style), and keep it focused on coronavirus / stimulus-related items.

Also, NYT headline writers continue to plague Democrats. The NYT headline I saw yesterday was something like "Democrats Block Stimulus Bill While Economy Teeters on the Brink". Goddamn you NYT headline writers, you'll be the death of us all.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:14 pm

I'd like to report that Maine isn't being as daft as some other states, or maybe it just looks that way because there are fewer of us. We haven't managed to lock people down yet but I think I see fewer people driving or out and about when I have to leave the house. It feels like traffic is down maybe 50% over what it normally would be.

Of course, Maine has a HUGE service economy. We handle lots of tourists and have a lot of restaurants. I'm also seeing a number of out of state plates, as though some people have decided that right about now is a good time to visit their camp grounds and summer homes in more rural areas.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:15 pm

I saw that headline and I groaned. They then got pilloried and changed it which lead to Trump essentially complaining that the 'Radical left' controls the Times. It is pretty ridiculous.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:18 pm

malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:15 pm I saw that headline and I groaned. They then got pilloried and changed it which lead to Trump essentially complaining that the 'Radical left' controls the Times. It is pretty ridiculous.

I'm not sure it was changed. It currently reads "Democrats block stimulus package again"

Which, yeah, good that they are. It needs to stimulate the people who need it and not the executives and investors.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:24 pm

Paingod wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:18 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:15 pm I saw that headline and I groaned. They then got pilloried and changed it which lead to Trump essentially complaining that the 'Radical left' controls the Times. It is pretty ridiculous.
I'm not sure it was changed. It currently reads "Democrats block stimulus package again"

This was yesterday. It definitely changed because many right-wing sites are running stories about it.

Which, yeah, good that they are. It needs to stimulate the people who need it and not the executives and investors.

Eye of the beholder nowadays. I could argue its technically true but paints the wrong picture about who is responsible for the impasse and vice versa.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:27 pm

malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:18 pm
Which, yeah, good that they are. It needs to stimulate the people who need it and not the executives and investors.
Eye of the beholder nowadays. I could argue its technically true but paints the wrong picture about who is responsible for the impasse and vice versa.

Yeah. Democrats are miserable at mounting a solid, unified defense or ad blitz. They really need to be getting the message out that they're trying to pass something that is 100% for every American, not 65% for every American and 35% for the top 1%

hitbyambulance · Post by **hitbyambulance** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:28 pm

we'll see what Inslee says - could be formal 'shelter in place' orders tonight, as opposed to the 'all but in name' version we've had for the past week. but i'm sure there's more to it.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... -covid-19/

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:30 pm

Paingod wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:18 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:15 pm I saw that headline and I groaned. They then got pilloried and changed it which lead to Trump essentially complaining that the 'Radical left' controls the Times. It is pretty ridiculous.
I'm not sure it was changed. It currently reads "Democrats block stimulus package again"

Which, yeah, good that they are. It needs to stimulate the people who need it and not the executives and investors.

That's today (as there was a new vote). That's not 100% ideal as a headline, but it's way more defensible than yesterday's, which was basically saying that the Democrats were threatening to destroy the economy.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:31 pm

Massachusetts is getting a statewide shelter in place order tomorrow, though as far as I can tell it's not going to change anything about what we've been doing thus far.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:32 pm

Pain you stuck your phrase inside the quotes. I saw someone else do this too. I kept wondering why people were simply reposting but not commenting.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:45 pm

El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:31 pm Massachusetts is getting a statewide shelter in place order tomorrow, though as far as I can tell it's not going to change anything about what we've been doing thus far.

The manager of my packy is NOT thrilled about being "essential". They've been slammed ever since the bars closed and he was hoping he could shelter, too. They reduced their hours, but that doesn't reduce demand. Since Wife needed a wine run, I added a couple more blocks to my Great Wall of Beer.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:52 pm

Kraken wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:45 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:31 pm Massachusetts is getting a statewide shelter in place order tomorrow, though as far as I can tell it's not going to change anything about what we've been doing thus far.
The manager of my packy is NOT thrilled about being "essential".

And there's another new term I've learned. Never heard "packy" before.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:03 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:52 pm
Kraken wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:45 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:31 pm Massachusetts is getting a statewide shelter in place order tomorrow, though as far as I can tell it's not going to change anything about what we've been doing thus far.
The manager of my packy is NOT thrilled about being "essential".
And there's another new term I've learned. Never heard "packy" before.

It's a New England term (or at least that's how I think of it).

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:27 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:52 pm
Kraken wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:45 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:31 pm Massachusetts is getting a statewide shelter in place order tomorrow, though as far as I can tell it's not going to change anything about what we've been doing thus far.
The manager of my packy is NOT thrilled about being "essential".
And there's another new term I've learned. Never heard "packy" before.

Did you just unblock Kraken or something?

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:54 pm

Either the Matrix is glitching or I feel like we have the "packy" discussion every few weeks. Regardless, let's all remember what Trump said a month ago:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 7740174339

The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

30 days later, I think we're at the point where news media needs to stop live-airing his daily Coronavirus updates.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:58 pm

FWIW I didn't hear 'packy' until I was in my late 20s despite living in Boston for most of that - I attribute that to a glitch in the matrix for sure.

Also thinking about getting alcohol delivered for the first time, as Drizly.com apparently is a central place to order that now for MA residents.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:59 pm

I thought it was an offensive term.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:02 pm

El Guapo wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:58 pm Also thinking about getting alcohol delivered for the first time, as Drizly.com apparently is a central place to order that now for MA residents.

I have used Drizly before. Works well enough, although the fees seemed a bit high. Still, it's a good way to get some beer or booze without having to venture out and you'd be supporting a local business plus a delivery person.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:03 pm

Jaymann wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:59 pm I thought it was an offensive term.

When referring to Pakistanis, yes. If you’re looking for a 6 pack and some smokes, it’s paradise.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:03 pm

$iljanus wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:03 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:59 pm I thought it was an offensive term.
When referring to Pakistanis, yes. If you’re looking for a 6 pack and some smokes, it’s paradise.

Also that's spelled "Paki". If I know my slurs right.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:06 pm

It totally unrelated "the President needs to not be on live TV blathering about things he doesn't understand" news, a man died and his wife is now in critical care after ingesting chloroquine phosphate, an additive for fish tank cleaners.

Read more here.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:07 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:06 pm It totally unrelated "the President needs to not be on live TV blathering about things he doesn't understand" news, a man died and his wife is now in critical care after ingesting chloroquine phosphate, an additive for fish tank cleaners.

Yeah, but they're not worried about coronavirus anymore, are they?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:09 pm

UK just went full lockdown. Boris Johnson less clown-y today than Trump. Well done Boris!

wonderpug · Post by **wonderpug** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:15 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:07 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:06 pm It totally unrelated "the President needs to not be on live TV blathering about things he doesn't understand" news, a man died and his wife is now in critical care after ingesting chloroquine phosphate, an additive for fish tank cleaners.
Yeah, but they're not worried about coronavirus anymore, are they?

He appears to be showing signs of having difficulty breathing.