Corona Virus: It's a Marathon, Not a Sprint

[Defiant]

if only you had kept up with the 'people still alive who you thought were dead' thread

Sorry, I thought that thread was dead.

[malchior]

But whatever?

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1247216801886416902

Kudlow: "I don't believe anybody could have predicted the exponential rise of this, but whatever ..."

[malchior]

HHS IG report - the world's most expensive healthcare system is in complete disarray

Hospitals reported that shortages of critical supplies, materials, and logistic support that accompany more beds affected hospitals’ ability to care for patients. Hospitals reported needing items that support a patient room, such as intravenous therapy (IV) poles, medical gas, linens, toilet paper, and food. Others reported shortages of no-touch infrared thermometers, disinfectants, and cleaning supplies. Isolated and smaller hospitals faced special challenges maintaining the supplies they needed and restocking quickly when they ran out of supplies.

Hospitals described increasing costs and decreasing revenues as a threat to their financial viability. Hospitals reported that ceasing elective procedures and other services decreased revenues at the same time that their costs have increased as they prepare for a potential surge of patients. Many hospitals reported that their cash reserves were quickly depleting, which could disrupt ongoing hospital operations.

[LawBeefaroni]

Breaking news that Boris Johnson has been moved to ICU. Dominic Robb (Foreign Secretary I think?) filling in duties at this point.

[LawBeefaroni]

Link.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition ‘worsened’
PUBLISHED MON, APR 6 20203:15 PM EDT

[Unagi]

We will meet again... some sunny day...

TIL Vera Lynn is still alive at 103

Cool. I always wondered what had become of her.

if only you had kept up with the 'people still alive who you thought were dead' thread

Well, it's just nice to know that anybody else in here feels the way I do.

[Skinypupy]

Boris Johnson moved to the ICU with worsening symptoms.

[malchior]

When questioned about the finding from the HHS IG report that *his administration* put together he implied that it was a work of the deep state. The IG for HHS was appointed...6 months ago...*checks notes*...while he was President.

[Holman]

Whenever Trump does a public appearance, everyone should check in with Daniel Dale. (https://twitter.com/ddale8)

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/12472 ... 23073?s=20

[malchior]

Today was especially crazy. I mean it. Go watch highlights. He is out of his mind. The exchange with Jon Karl is bonkers. Karl asks about the HHS IG report. Trump says the HHS IG was appointed in the Obama administration. He asks Karl does he know that? Karl says she was appointed 6 months ago. Trump melts down and bullies and belittles him.

BTW I'm not watching this live - just getting the tweet updates but the networks should shut this shit down. This is literally the same mistake they made in 2016. They need to stop giving him free rallies. Either that or these reporters have to have a game plan to be much more aggressive with Trump.

This sums it up nicely.

https://twitter.com/ellenbraaten/status ... 5339798529

[Zaxxon]

We will meet again... some sunny day...

Maybe it takes a monarch figurehead to show a president how to be presidential:

I do appreciate that she chose to wear a solid green dress for this. The memes are already fun. That had to be intentional as an act of goodwill to the world, right?

I mention this because the serious stuff is just too much today. It's beer-thirty for the rest of the night.

[LawBeefaroni]

I do appreciate that she chose to wear a solid green dress for this. The memes are already fun. That had to be intentional as an act of goodwill to the world, right?

I have to assume she knew.

[LawBeefaroni]

In other leader news, under a stay-at-home order and the mandatory closure of all barbers and stylists, our mayor got her a chop job.

Asked about photos on social media showing her with a stylist, Lightfoot acknowledged getting a haircut, then said the public cares more about other issues.
...
A reporter asked the mayor about one of her “stay home, save lives” public service announcements where Lightfoot admonishes an off-screen person by saying, "Getting your roots done is not essential.”

Asked about that, a visibly annoyed Lightfoot said, “I’m the public face of this city. I’m on national media and I’m out in the public eye.

“I’m a person who, I take my personal hygiene very seriously. As I said, I felt like I needed to have a haircut,” Lightfoot said. “I’m not able to do that myself, so I got a haircut. You want to talk more about that?”

There may even be a good rationalization but she didn't use it. "I'm better than you" and "I felt like it" don't cut it.

[gameoverman]

I think if she had just lead off with "I'm the mayor, maintaining a professional appearance is part of my responsibilities" that would have been the end of that. Bringing up personal hygiene importance is a bad move, what is she saying about everyone else? You're all pigs?

[Max Peck]

3M makes deal with White House, says Canada will continue to receive N95 masks

One of America's largest manufacturers of medical face masks rode to Canada's rescue Monday, forging an agreement with the White House that allows it to provide millions of its precious N95 respirators to the U.S. market without sacrificing supply bound for north of the border.

Minnesota-based 3M, which has been at the centre of a clash with President Donald Trump and his administration over the company's reluctance to abide by orders to prioritize American demand for the masks, confirmed plans to continue to fill orders in Canada and Latin America.

3M and the U.S. government "worked together to ensure that this plan does not create further humanitarian implications for countries currently fighting the COVID-19 outbreak," the company said in a statement that emerged on the heels of Trump's latest marathon briefing at the White House.

At least 3M has our back. Or at least enough foresight to know that they want to keep access to the world market after we come out the other side.

[El Guapo]

You're not going to believe it, but there may be corruption involved in the federal response to coronavirus.

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1247335425074696199

https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status ... 9083405313

[gameoverman]

At least 3M has our back. Or at least enough foresight to know that they want to keep access to the world market after we come out the other side.

I'm someone who believes in sharing, even in the worst times, especially in the worst times. I think it's an understandable knee jerk reaction to want to keep all the resources for yourself when under threat but I think that's a big mistake. If someone needs masks or ventilators right now, and you're keeping yours just in case you might need it, I think that's messed up. The same goes for diverting resources or discouraging sales to other parties. Even a superpower needs other countries to do business with, allow strategic military base use, partner in intelligence gathering...the list goes on. We don't live in a vacuum.

[Kraken]

Trump might get lucky and be right about chlorowhateveritis. The jury's out on that. I have no doubt, though, that he and his cronies will profit.

[gbasden]

Trump might get lucky and be right about chlorowhateveritis. The jury's out on that. I have no doubt, though, that he and his cronies will profit.

And you know he doesn't give a damn about whether it works - this is just yet another grift.

[malchior]

Trump might get lucky and be right about chlorowhateveritis. The jury's out on that. I have no doubt, though, that he and his cronies will profit.

For Trump it's a chapter out of his coin flip con playbook. Heads he is the intuitive genius who got it right again (Navarro's description - seriously.) Tails it is #fakenews and he never said it. It is obvious yet somehow the credulous media/MAGATs falls for it over and over and over.

[malchior]

In other 2020 never seems to get better news, it turns out some epidemiologists are questioning whether the quarantine period is long enough. As Smoove_B said...it might be a really long summer. And it endangers the election in November potentially; it is especially unwelcome considering the court rulings yesterday.

For weeks, the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have been saying that while half of those exposed get sick within about five days, they recommend 14-day quarantines for anyone knowingly exposed to the virus to prevent its spread. That quarantine period was extrapolated from an analysis published in January of a small sample of patients in Wuhan, China, which suggested that 95% of those infected would show symptoms within 12 and a half days.

But new studies indicate that it takes some people much longer to develop symptoms after they’re exposed – spurring some scientists to raise an alarm that 14 days is not enough. Some public health experts are calling for longer quarantine periods, especially for countries such as the United States, where relatively few people are being tested.

“Because the U.S. has such, such low testing rates and such poor coverage of the community in terms of identifying new cases that crop up, I would take a much more conservative approach, as in increasing the quarantine duration in the U.S.,” said Eric Feigl-Ding, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and a senior fellow at the Federation of American Scientists. “I would advocate we need a much more stringent quarantine because a quarantine is like a perimeter around someone who you suspect may have this virus. But if you don’t have a good testing system for someone that escapes this quarantine detection, then you better have a really comprehensive, longer quarantine.”

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As the new coronavirus spreads, public health experts are debating another kind of quarantine: How long after a sick patient’s symptoms disappear should that person be isolated?

WHO recommends 14 days. The CDC’s advice is much less stringent, indicating that you can leave home 72 hours after your fever disappears if your coughing or shortness of breath has improved and it’s been at least seven days since your symptoms began. For those who can get tested – a rarity, given the shortage of test kits and the backlog at labs – the CDC suggests you should receive two negative tests, 24 hours apart, after your temperature has returned to normal.

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Recent studies from China and Europe have shown that people can shed the virus well after they recover. One study published March 11 in The Lancet examined 137 patients in two hospitals in Wuhan who survived COVID-19; researchers found they kept shedding the virus for a median of 20 days after they got sick. That means half of them were shedding for even longer periods – the longest was 37 days. Like much of the COVID-19 research, these findings were rushed into publication without peer review. The large group of authors from the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences and other academic and medical institutions stressed, “Prolonged viral shedding provides the rationale for a strategy of isolation of infected patients and optimal antiviral interventions in the future.”

[tjg_marantz]

Quarantine, in French quarantaine. 40 or so. Probably more appropriate.

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[Holman]

Trump might get lucky and be right about chlorowhateveritis. The jury's out on that. I have no doubt, though, that he and his cronies will profit.

And you know he doesn't give a damn about whether it works - this is just yet another grift.

The drug is out of patent, so it's a cheap generic available from multiple manufacturers. Profit margins will be slim.

I think this is less a money-making scheme than just Trump desperately grabbing for the quickest possible fix. They're winging this crisis day-by-day, so the ability to tout a cure (good news boosts the market) is much more important than whether the cure works at all.

[Unagi]

It’s his Hail Mary.
He feels he has lost unless he hands us a cure. This is like the closest thing he can see to being that.

[LawBeefaroni]

It's a simple, brute force solution. He understands that.

Social distancing, exponential growth, curves, sacrifice the economy, too complicated. "Take this, get better, pandemic over" is simple.

And since if you say it enough it's true, he's making this true.

[gilraen]

The Bulwark: Why is Trump obsessed with hydroxychloroquine

You know the old saying: When you’re a con artist who once ran a multi-level-marketing scheme that sold “vitamins,” everything looks like a miracle drug.
[...]
This is how Donald Trump is wired. He doesn’t know any other way. And he has no incentive to change his behavior because the neverending scam wheel eventually landed him in the most important job in the world.

[Smoove_B]

You're not going to believe it, but there may be corruption involved in the federal response to coronavirus.

Gov @GovPritzker confirms that the federal ‘Air Bridge’ flights from China, organized by the White House taskforce, are bringing PPE back from China which are then turned over to private companies. The states then have to bid against each other to purchase from those companies.

I'm not really a student of world history, but haven't bloody revolutions started over less?

[Jag]

You're not going to believe it, but there may be corruption involved in the federal response to coronavirus.

Gov @GovPritzker confirms that the federal ‘Air Bridge’ flights from China, organized by the White House taskforce, are bringing PPE back from China which are then turned over to private companies. The states then have to bid against each other to purchase from those companies.

I'm not really a student of world history, but haven't bloody revolutions started over less?

The didn't have Netflix, iphones and Zoom to keep the masses occupied back then.

[Kraken]

Trump might get lucky and be right about chlorowhateveritis. The jury's out on that. I have no doubt, though, that he and his cronies will profit.

And you know he doesn't give a damn about whether it works - this is just yet another grift.

The drug is out of patent, so it's a cheap generic available from multiple manufacturers. Profit margins will be slim.

I think this is less a money-making scheme than just Trump desperately grabbing for the quickest possible fix. They're winging this crisis day-by-day, so the ability to tout a cure (good news boosts the market) is much more important than whether the cure works at all.

Volume! The US has already stockpiled >200 million doses. If it proves effective, the world will want billions.

But I agree that optics are the main thing.

[Holman]

It’s his Hail Mary.
He feels he has lost unless he hands us a cure. This is like the closest thing he can see to being that.

And now it has become a point of pride. Fauci and other actual experts have suggested that Trump is wrong, so Trump must triple-down just to feel right.

[Unagi]

It’s his Hail Mary.
He feels he has lost unless he hands us a cure. This is like the closest thing he can see to being that.

And now it has become a point of pride. Fauci and other actual experts have suggested that Trump is wrong, so Trump must triple-down just to feel right.

All in.

[LawBeefaroni]

friendly reminder in times of uncertainty and misinformation: anecdotes are not data. (good) data is carefully measured and collected information based on a range of subject-dependent factors, including, but not limited to, controlled variables, meta-analysis, and randomization

outliers attempting to counter global consensus around this pandemic with amateur reporting or unverified sourcing are not collecting data. breaking news stories that only relay initial findings of an event are not collecting data. we have to be careful in our media consumption

it can be difficult to know what to believe in a time when institutional trust is diminished and the gatekeepers of information have been dismantled, but it's more crucial now than ever before to follow a range of credentialed sources for both breaking news and data collection

all we currently have are limited and evolving metrics that experts are deciphering and acting upon immediately to the best of their ability. this terrain leaves many openings for opportunists and charismatic manipulators to lead people astray by exploiting what they want to hear

breaking news and storytelling will always be spun with interpretive bias from different media perspectives, but data is a science that can't be replaced by one-off anecdotes. try to remember this to avoid fear-based sensationalism or conspiracy theories taking over your mind

you can maintain independent, critical thinking toward institutions without dipping into fringe conspiracies that get jumpstarted by individual anecdotes being virally spread as data. it's not easy, but it's necessary to keep any semblance of responsible online information flow

Spoiler:

we're a frozen meat brand posting ads inevitably made to misdirect people and generate sales, so this is peak irony, but hey we live in a society so please make informed decisions to the best of your ability and don't let anecdotes dictate your worldview ok

steak-umm bless

https://twitter.com/steak_umm/status/12 ... 0475490304

Steak-umm bless. Sammies and prayers.

[RunningMn9]

The drug is out of patent, so it's a cheap generic available from multiple manufacturers. Profit margins will be slim.

I think this is less a money-making scheme than just Trump desperately grabbing for the quickest possible fix. They're winging this crisis day-by-day, so the ability to tout a cure (good news boosts the market) is much more important than whether the cure works at all.

After reading a long article in the Atlantic about, I’m convinced that the financial gains him and his cronies will undoubtedly get are not the reason.

This is someone putting Dr. Oz in his ear, to peddle this crap. The French study that they originally touted has been pulled from the journal it appeared in, and the author of the study is exactly what you’d expect from someone that Dr. Oz would push. Both Sweden and China stopped using the treatment due to efficacy issues balanced against the side effects they were seeing.

I don’t have the Atlantic article handy, but I found it to be useful.

[Skinypupy]

No details yet, but MSN.com just had this breaking news headline at the top.

BREAKING: Trump accuses Health and Human Services watchdog of producing ‘fake dossier’ on coronavirus. More details to come.

Followed immediately by Trump hits at cutting WHO funding over coronavirus, says they "really blew it".

I just...can't.

[stessier]

The drug is out of patent, so it's a cheap generic available from multiple manufacturers. Profit margins will be slim.

I think this is less a money-making scheme than just Trump desperately grabbing for the quickest possible fix. They're winging this crisis day-by-day, so the ability to tout a cure (good news boosts the market) is much more important than whether the cure works at all.

After reading a long article in the Atlantic about, I’m convinced that the financial gains him and his cronies will undoubtedly get are not the reason.

This is someone putting Dr. Oz in his ear, to peddle this crap. The French study that they originally touted has been pulled from the journal it appeared in, and the author of the study is exactly what you’d expect from someone that Dr. Oz would push. Both Sweden and China stopped using the treatment due to efficacy issues balanced against the side effects they were seeing.

I don’t have the Atlantic article handy, but I found it to be useful.

I think that is the study my brother read. He said that it was based on relatively limited data because a bunch of patients were in the "not followed up with" category. You had to dig into the appendix data to learn they didn't follow up because they all died.

[Max Peck]

I don’t have the Atlantic article handy, but I found it to be useful.

This one?

Why Does the President Keep Pushing a Malaria Drug?

[raydude]

It’s his Hail Mary.
He feels he has lost unless he hands us a cure. This is like the closest thing he can see to being that.

Ugh, it's the freekin Phalanx drug from "World War Z" (the book).

[Blackhawk]

There is a corner of my mind that is actually entertaining the idea that the President actually wants the virus to continue as long as possible to keep himself in power.

[gameoverman]

No details yet, but MSN.com just had this breaking news headline at the top.

BREAKING: Trump accuses Health and Human Services watchdog of producing ‘fake dossier’ on coronavirus. More details to come.

Followed immediately by Trump hits at cutting WHO funding over coronavirus, says they "really blew it".

I just...can't.

There is a family member I have who deliberately sabotages things at work, he has told me and others this on multiple ocassions. His reasoning is when something at work develops in such a way as to upset him "If I'm going to be miserable I'm going to make everyone around me just as miserable". So he'll brag about what he did to screw things up at work, passive aggressively so he isn't fired over it of course. This crisis is making me see Trump as the same type of personality. It must be a point of pride with him that if he's going down he's taking everyone with him.

[LawBeefaroni]

White House FEMA Covid Task Force unit under Pence forced to work from home now that a member has been confirmed C+.

A White House unit operating under Vice President Mike Pence’s coronavirus task force has been instructed to vacate where it was working after a “partner” of the unit tested positive, according to a new report.

An email sent by Federal Emergency Management Agency officials Monday evening, and obtained by NBC News, told staff members of the Supply Chain Resilience task force that they were “required to telework” as a result of the positive test.

“Until further notice, all personnel in the Supply Chain Resilience task force” on a particular floor of one of FEMA’s buildings “and the FEMA Conference Center are required to telework,” the email read.

How much you want to bet they were asking questions about why we were hijacking planes full of supplies...