Corona Virus: It's a Marathon, Not a Sprint

Formix · Post by **Formix** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:22 pm

Has anyone else seen any good scientific reporting on herd immunity? It seems like that is a very big answer we need to know before testing even matters. If your immunity is good for a month or two, that doesn't really help us get to "back to work" status.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:04 pm

I turned off the press conference like usual and apparently I missed Fauci dragged out to give an apology to Dear Leader. A reporter straight up asked Fauci if this was a forced apology. He got mad and sad it was voluntary. It is insane that someone had to ask that question.

Here is the exchange - this is *insane*.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1249820158413209605

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:10 pm

I'm refusing to watch tv while they air these things but I'm monitoring the feed. Apparently he is now playing campaign ads at the briefing. The networks need to either *stop airing these live* or given Biden equal time. This is absurdity and the networks are literally making the same mistakes that might have killed our nation. This is beyond frustrating to hear is happening again.

Edit: Wow! Good for the networks. Everyone but Fox cut away. Apparently the press might have finally figured out they need to treat Trump differently than other Presidents. Lol.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status ... 4995796993

CBS's Paula Reid presses Trump on his propaganda video: "Your video has a complete gap. What did your administration do in February with the time that your travel ban bought you?" Trump only responds: "A lot. A lot."

Reid: "The video has a gap."
Trump: "You know you're a fake."

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:35 pm

malchior wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:04 pm I turned off the press conference like usual and apparently I missed Fauci dragged out to give an apology to Dear Leader. A reporter straight up asked Fauci if this was a forced apology. He got mad and sad it was voluntary. It is insane that someone had to ask that question.

Here is the exchange - this is *insane*.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1249820158413209605

That look when he said "Don't even imply that" was like "I hope they get kompromat on you too, bitch".

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:37 pm

The whole thing is beyond absurd. Trump is airing grievances, playing propaganda, and muddying the water. And it is *what he wants*. He wants to have fights with reporters. It is red meat for his base. These briefings are not informative. He lies, he attacks the media, he won't answer questions. They need to stop covering them live entirely.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:50 pm

Looks like he's handling things great this evening.

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/stat ... 9812939777

President Donald J Trump calms a nation on edge

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:55 pm

“The president of the United States calls the shots,” Mr. Trump said in a briefing at the White House. He added that he would work with the states, adding that he believed they were anxious to reopen when they can. “When someone is president of the United States, the authority is total.”

(from a NYT fake news update)

Jawohl, mein Führer!

Not applicable in regards to states needing respirators or PPE which, according to The Leader, is responsibility of the governors...

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:47 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:50 pm Looks like he's handling things great this evening.

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/stat ... 9812939777
President Donald J Trump calms a nation on edge

God I love her. She just refuses to back down.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:06 pm

hepcat wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:47 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:50 pm Looks like he's handling things great this evening.

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/stat ... 9812939777
President Donald J Trump calms a nation on edge

God I love her. She just refuses to back down.

And yet, she manages to refrain from calling him a fake president. Because man, I would totally blurt that out.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:55 pm

West coast states are doing it for themselves.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:53 am

malchior wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:27 pm
Unagi wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:53 pm Oh man.

If you HAD to pick one of them being the least horrible - who would it be. I may have to go with Ivanka ??
Nope she is one of the worst of them. Anyone raised by this monster is beyond tainted goods. I'd have to reluctantly go with Mnuchin but this is just shades of evil at this point. Not a normal functioning non-sociopath amongst them.

You know, for some reason, the "shades of evil" comment made me immediately think:

"This group of people wants to sit down at a dinner table and eat your grandparents"

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:25 am

The whole thing with the Governors of the North East and West Coast banding together is a fine showing of regional cooperation but it would be totally unnecessary if we had a functional Federal government. It is crazy that the President yells he is in control and a bunch of Governors the same day held a well-organized press conference. Now here is my inevitable gripe. Guess what didn't get covered live? That press conference. Portions of it did but they only stayed on for the immediate beginning. I had to flip around to watch it ... online ... and I got more information there than I have in weeks. The cable news networks? They stayed there while Cuomo was speaking. They have their star and when the star isn't speaking they cut away. They aren't here to provide us information and they suck. And this only highlights it.

Formix · Post by **Formix** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:27 am

Alefroth wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:55 pm West coast states are doing it for themselves.

There's a western states group, a NE states group...if only there was some pre-existing organization that was meant to represent all the states. Some sort of, I don't know, a Federation of states, or something like that. I know emotions are running high, but I almost feel like, "you know what, F it if Texas and the Southern Confederated States of Jesus want to secede. let em. I want to live somewhere where facts and science rule the decision-making process"

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:28 am

Formix wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:27 am
Alefroth wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:55 pm West coast states are doing it for themselves.
There's a western states group, a NE states group...if only there was some pre-existing organization that was meant to represent all the states. Some sort of, I don't know, a Federation of states, or something like that. I know emotions are running high, but I almost feel like, "you know what, F it if Texas and the Southern Confederated States of Jesus want to secede. let em. I want to live somewhere where facts and science rule the decision-making process"

Time will tell if the red states also decide to band together or if each will go it alone. My money is on "going it alone" because "Fuck you, I got mine" seems to be the GOP mantra.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:02 am

raydude wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:28 am
Formix wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:27 am
Alefroth wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:55 pm West coast states are doing it for themselves.
There's a western states group, a NE states group...if only there was some pre-existing organization that was meant to represent all the states. Some sort of, I don't know, a Federation of states, or something like that. I know emotions are running high, but I almost feel like, "you know what, F it if Texas and the Southern Confederated States of Jesus want to secede. let em. I want to live somewhere where facts and science rule the decision-making process"
Time will tell if the red states also decide to band together or if each will go it alone. My money is on "going it alone" because "Fuck you, I got mine" seems to be the GOP mantra.

Probably going to be more of a East Coast / West Coast organizations working together and Red states screaming "I HATE YOU, HELP ME!" while stabbing themselves in the arm with fake promises and swallowing snake oil.

Heck, they may even achieve herd immunity faster than other states because of their actions. Maybe that's the goal. I mean, it worked for the 1918 Spanish Flu, right?

Exodor · Post by **Exodor** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:49 am

El Guapo wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:50 pm No worries! We're all good.

https://twitter.com/HelenKennedy/status ... 3802923016

https://twitter.com/adastra1930/status/ ... 88706?s=20

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:50 am

That's pretty brilliant.

Sad Man. Stretchy Face. Scary Liquid Person. All too funny and accurate.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:54 pm

Ed Yong, continuing to deliver over at the Atlantic:

Absent any certainty, one group of health experts, led by Ezekiel Emanuel, an oncologist and former adviser to the Obama administration, argues that stay-at-home orders must continue until at least May 20. Another team, led by Scott Gottlieb, a former FDA commissioner, suggests that states should relax their restrictions only after new case counts have fallen for 14 consecutive days. Currently, the U.S. is still averaging about 30,000 new confirmed cases every day. “My sense is that we haven’t turned the corner,” said Rivers, who is a co-author on Gottlieb’s road map.

And:

Stay-at-home orders might lift first, allowing friends and family to reunite. Small businesses could reopen with limitations: Offices might run on shifts and still rely heavily on teleworking, while restaurants and bars could create more space between tables. Schools could restart once researchers determine if children actually spread the virus.

This process might take several weeks to unfold, and even at the end of it, none of the experts I spoke with was comfortable with the return of crowded public spaces. Gottlieb’s road map, for example, recommends that until a vaccine or an effective treatment is produced, social gatherings should be limited to 50 people or fewer. That will be especially challenging in large cities: An average Manhattan street or subway car is the equivalent of a mass gathering. Elsewhere, concerts, conferences, summer camps, political rallies, large weddings, and major sporting events may all have to be suspended for at least this year. “It’s hard for me to imagine anyone going to Fenway Park and sitting with 30,000 fans—that will almost surely be a bad idea,” said Ashish Jha, an internist and public-health expert at Harvard. “This isn’t going to look like a normal summer in America.”

It's a lengthy but well-researched and realistic article. Would recommend.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:25 pm

Loving watching the California checklist of events and measures they need to assess and hit before they can ease up on restrictions - which flies in direct contradiction to Trump's "I CONTROL THE STATES" tantrum earlier. Like a beautiful slap in the face. A great big middle finger to him. I love it.

This sort of actual rational, reasonable, adult briefing is what Americans need. Not hissy fits and finger-pointing. Not suggesting "Some of you may have to die for our economy" ...

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:29 pm

Paingod wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:25 pm Loving watching the California checklist of events and measures they need to assess and hit before they can ease up on restrictions - which flies in direct contradiction to Trump's "I CONTROL THE STATES" tantrum earlier. Like a beautiful slap in the face. A great big middle finger to him. I love it.

This sort of actual rational, reasonable, adult briefing is what Americans need. Not hissy fits and finger-pointing. Not suggesting "Some of you may have to die for our economy" ...

The frustrating part (one of the many frustrating parts?) is that this got comparatively minor coverage vs Trump's campaign rally, yet this and the similar east-coast pact are by far more impactful.

And awesome Yoon article, Smoove. I hadn't seen that one yet.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:47 pm

A bit of a sad anecdote but I live off a major state highway in Central Jersey and all I've been hearing the last 2-3 days is sirens every 10 minutes or so. Essentially what they were reporting in NYC. Reporting today indicates another surge in cases/deaths here in NJ. We've had several land close to us and I just found out the entire family of friend of mine just got it. His wife is a ER nurse in Jersey City. Despite all their precautions (she has been essentially living separately from the family) it looks like it jumped their "firewall" and got them all. Ugly stuff.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:10 pm

Another co-worker lost his father over the weekend.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:19 pm

Pro Wrestling declared essential business in Florida. Could this be political? Nah....

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:39 pm

Sorry to hear that, RM9. Nobody I know has been afflicted yet, mostly because I don't know many bodies. However, the death toll in my small town (~32,000) went from 4 to 14 last week. They haven't been publicly identified; I'm guessing it's because we have several long-term care facilities in town.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:49 pm

Sorry to heard that as well. I had a lot of near misses, the worst probably was an early 30s husband of a friend who was on a vent for over a week. He had several cardiac arrests related to extubation. They got him past that but I can't imagine he'll be in great shape any time soon. Then finally had some land close over the weekend. A former co-worker of my wife.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:52 pm

More fun today. In the midst of a worldwide pandemic, the President just announced the defunding of the WHO at a press conference where everyone was commenting that he appeared to be severely drugged and could barely read. Fucking awesome.

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status ... 6649496578

One day, I think we’re going to find out that the medical drama behind the scenes in the White House is beyond what any screenwriter could’ve dreamed up.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:00 pm

malchior wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:19 pm Pro Wrestling declared essential business in Florida. Could this be political? Nah....

Nah

The former head of the small business administration, Linda stepped down in 2019 in order to join President Donald Trump's re-election campaign. The former wrestling executive that helped build WWE into a massive company had been a member of Trump's cabinet since 2017 but was going to help raise funds for campaign ads. However, there were several users on social media that felt there was a connection. They believed that McMahon's Super PAC's $18.5 million donation to the State of Florida played a role in wrestling becoming an "essential service."

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:04 pm

Sorry to hear it, RM9. We had an extended family member pass from it last week. Sucks all around.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:07 pm

Well, I mean it’s not directly affecting me. I feel really bad for my co-workers though, it’s a horrendous situation for them.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:34 pm

malchior wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:52 pm More fun today. In the midst of a worldwide pandemic, the President just announced the defunding of the WHO at a press conference where everyone was commenting that he appeared to be severely drugged and could barely read. Fucking awesome.

I know the WHO is this weeks whipping boy of choice, but I’m a little fuzzy as to why, exactly. I assume it’s because they didn’t sufficiently kiss the ring, but maybe there’s more to it.

Also, is there not a single adult in the room with the balls to say “hey, maybe withdrawing from a health organization mid-pandemic might not be the best idea.”

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:50 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:34 pmI know the WHO is this weeks whipping boy of choice, but I’m a little fuzzy as to why, exactly. I assume it’s because they didn’t sufficiently kiss the ring, but maybe there’s more to it.

You might want to sit down, but he said they failed at their duties and need to be held accountable. MAXIMUM PROJECTION

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:17 pm

NY just said they are adding another 3700 who weren't tested but are presumed dead due to the coronavirus to bring there tally up to over 10K. Unbelievable.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:20 pm

Yikes

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:22 pm

malchior wrote:NY just said they are adding another 3700 who weren't tested but are presumed dead due to the coronavirus to bring there tally up to over 10K. Unbelievable.

Hasn’t their tally been above 10k for a couple of days already?

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:23 pm

malchior wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:17 pm NY just said they are adding another 3700 who weren't tested but are presumed dead due to the coronavirus to bring there tally up to over 10K. Unbelievable.

That's kind of unorthodox and my data peeps don't like when you do that. Instead, when this is all over we list known deaths and presumptive deaths. Some might even detail it out more by listing COVID-19 as a contributing factor. But to just lump people in without confirmatory testing is a no-no.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:26 pm

RunningMn9 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:22 pm
malchior wrote:NY just said they are adding another 3700 who weren't tested but are presumed dead due to the coronavirus to bring there tally up to over 10K. Unbelievable.
Hasn’t their tally been above 10k for a couple of days already?

Not sure but this is the current headline on the NY Times:

Deaths in New York City Pass 10,000 as Virus Count is Revised

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:28 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:23 pm
malchior wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:17 pm NY just said they are adding another 3700 who weren't tested but are presumed dead due to the coronavirus to bring there tally up to over 10K. Unbelievable.
That's kind of unorthodox and my data peeps don't like when you do that. Instead, when this is all over we list known deaths and presumptive deaths. Some might even detail it out more by listing COVID-19 as a contributing factor. But to just lump people in without confirmatory testing is a no-no.

I agree. The story even says it is higher level of death compared to baseline. So it is deaths from all causes being lumped in potentially. It is messy at best but I think its a fair indicator if you are communicating the toll on the city overall. They should be clearer about that.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:39 pm

I’m just saying, NY has been at 700+ deaths per day for a while and was near 10K already. I’m not saying that they aren’t adding 3700 deaths to the total, I’m just saying I don’t think they are part of that number yet. They weren’t at 6k before the weekend.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:52 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:50 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:34 pmI know the WHO is this weeks whipping boy of choice, but I’m a little fuzzy as to why, exactly. I assume it’s because they didn’t sufficiently kiss the ring, but maybe there’s more to it.
You might want to sit down, but he said they failed at their duties and need to be held accountable. MAXIMUM PROJECTION

Ahhhh, so that's where the buck stops.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:37 pm

Another card-carrying member of the GOP Death Cult offers his observation:

An Indiana congressman said Tuesday that letting more Americans die from the novel coronavirus is the "lesser of two evils" compared with the economy cratering due to social distancing measures.

Speaking with radio station WIBC in Indiana, Republican Rep. Trey Hollingsworth asserted that, while he appreciated the science behind the virus' spread, "it is always the American government's position to say, in the choice between the loss of our way of life as Americans and the loss of life, of American lives, we have to always choose the latter."

As always, you first Representative Hollingsworth. You first. I'm still trying to get my mind around the pivot to this, but then I remember the President is on TV every night showing zero remorse or empathy for those that have already died.