Too Soon To Start Thinking About 2020? No, it's 2020!

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat May 02, 2020 11:35 am

Zaxxon wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 10:43 am
Defiant wrote:
Blackhawk wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:27 pm
And when it comes right down to it, I wouldn't be surprised to see a record number of faithless electors from red states that shift blue, leading to Congress determining who sits behind the desk.

And a Biden/Pence White House.
FYI, if the election goes to congress because neither got over 269 EV, Republicans get to decide both the President and the VP. The House determines the presidency, but each state gets one vote, and while the Democrats hold a majority of seats, they don't hold the majorities of a majority of the states.
So what you're saying is the House doesn't decide the Presidency.

The House does decide the Presidency under that situation, but not every Representative has an equal vote because each state delegation gets one vote. The Reps from Wyoming and Alaska each get 1/50th of a say, whereas each Representative from Florida gets 1/27th of a say towards deciding which way their state's single vote (of the 50) goes.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat May 02, 2020 2:00 pm

William Jeffress, a lawyer who headed the vetting of Biden during Barack Obama’s vice-presidential search, said he oversaw a team of nearly 10 lawyers who spent nearly two months digging through records and interviewing dozens of people about Biden. He said Reade’s name never came up, so they never spoke with her.

“This kind of complaint — not just Tara Reade, but any kind of complaint about Senator Biden on sexual harassment — never came up,” he said. “We just never had an occasion to interview anyone on an accusation like this because we found no such accusation.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat May 02, 2020 3:09 pm

https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/1256 ... 18497?s=20

Tara Reade now says the complaint she filed against Biden didn't mention sexual assault or harassment. She has no record of whatever complaint she did file.

She just cancelled a Fox interview that was planned for tonight.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat May 02, 2020 3:24 pm

So Biden flexes his 78 year old muscle.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sat May 02, 2020 7:43 pm

It’s fascinating watching Trumpers latch onto this accusation, given Trump’s own history.

I get that cognitive dissonance is real and self-awareness isn’t exactly their strong suit, but...come on.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat May 02, 2020 7:48 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 7:43 pm It’s fascinating watching Trumpers latch onto this accusation, given Trump’s own history.

I get that cognitive dissonance is real and self-awareness isn’t exactly their strong suit, but...come on.

It's not just Trumpers. The NY Times is calling for the DNC to run an investigation into the allegations. And somehow make it apolitical which sounds to me to be a impossible task. That was published yesterday so maybe they'll get introspective and update that since it is crumbling in real-time. Nah...they get tetchy if you bring up 'but her emails' still. They can't even admit they blew that massively out of proportion even after people showed them the ridiculous stats on it.

Bonus to them saying...yeah Trump has allegations too but he doesn't take it seriously...and Joe is holding himself to a higher standard...so by implication we are holding him to a higher standard. Remember to hold on to your britches, this year is going to be a shit show.

While understandable, this concern is not prohibitive — and Mr. Biden’s word is insufficient to dispel the cloud. Any inventory should be strictly limited to information about Ms. Reade and conducted by an unbiased, apolitical panel, put together by the D.N.C. and chosen to foster as much trust in its findings as possible. Admittedly, this would be a major undertaking. Mr. Biden served 36 years in the Senate. He turned over nearly 2,000 boxes and more than 400 gigabytes of data to the University of Delaware; most of it has not been cataloged. But the question at hand is no less than Mr. Biden’s fitness for the presidency. No relevant memo should be left unexamined.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat May 02, 2020 7:51 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 7:43 pm It’s fascinating watching Trumpers latch onto this accusation, given Trump’s own history.

I get that cognitive dissonance is real and self-awareness isn’t exactly their strong suit, but...come on.

And, I hear that the Trump Campaign is going to be focusing their attack on Biden being hypocritical.

To me, this seem to imply they are saying this:

"Oh, you get all upset about Trump treating women bad, but you don't care if Biden is the same way?"

which, on the very face of it is a repulsive argument to make. It's an attempt to lower the bar and get it officially declared that our leader's can be horrible, and to say otherwise is being just as horrible.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat May 02, 2020 9:27 pm

If this issue gains traction, Trump has a lot to lose in comparing the candidates' responses to the accusations.

Biden issued a complete denial that did not attack or attempt to defame the accuser. Trump's response to accusations has been character assassination, insistence that the accuser was (to paraphrase) too ugly to assault, and lawyerly insistence on NDAs.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat May 02, 2020 9:44 pm

You are right, of course.

Still - there is a part of me that wanted Biden to reply, at the end of a legitimate denial : "besides, she's not my type.".... and then add a few lines down (for effect), "I am being sarcastic, but want to point out that would have been the majority of Trump's defense in a matter like this.",

etc, etc... but I'm being stupid and childish and without much thought on that, and not serious really in that I wanted him to reply with that... but, somehow - I wish that point could be driven home... that the accuser was (to paraphrase) too ugly to assault is such a non-denial - and even a complete confession really...

ugh.

In my head, Trump wrote:Like that's the type of woman I would rape... please...

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat May 02, 2020 9:54 pm

Holman wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 9:27 pm If this issue gains traction, Trump has a lot to lose in comparing the candidates' responses to the accusations.

History says this is probably not true. He gets away with everything.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat May 02, 2020 11:21 pm

malchior wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 9:54 pm
Holman wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 9:27 pm If this issue gains traction, Trump has a lot to lose in comparing the candidates' responses to the accusations.
History says this is probably not true. He gets away with everything.

If Reagan was the Teflon president, Trump is the mirror president* -- everything reflects back off of him.

*not a legitimate president

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sun May 03, 2020 8:53 am

So overnight a producer from ABC @SashaPezenik tweeted out several tweets about a story going around that another accuser came forward as told to Dan Abram's blog Law and Crime. Apparently the niece of Christine "I'm not a witch" O'Donnell claims Biden made comments about her breasts at an event in 2008. Complete with several witnesses backing the account *including O'Donnell'* based on the screen caps below. However, Pezenik revealed in later tweets...that Biden wasn't there recovering from sinus surgery. Pezenik silently deleted the thread but like Pepperidge Farms twitter remembers. So we have a false accusation and a media oops all at once. It seems like there are a lot of bad actors out there and the media is going to try to run out every story even if they make mistakes here and there.

https://twitter.com/NR_Garrett/status/1 ... 9185546241

Edit: Someone screencapped them.

https://twitter.com/cornell_wallace/sta ... 8389804037

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun May 03, 2020 10:20 am

There is going to be so much of this between here and November.

Republicans just need a story to hold together long enough for them to schedule hearings.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun May 03, 2020 10:37 am

They're crying wolf so much that the few people who are going to be swayed are going to start assuming that any claim is just another fabrication.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun May 03, 2020 11:14 am

I absolutely get what you’re saying, but that’s a bad analogy, in that nothing here is or will resemble that parable.

There is no actual care for the sheep.

They keep a wolf in their own home and don’t care that he eats sheep every day.

But maybe you are right.

For those that worry about sheep and wolves, at some point they should see this for what it is.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sun May 03, 2020 11:15 am

So, what? Trump is going after the feminist vote?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun May 03, 2020 11:42 am

Jaymann wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 11:15 am So, what? Trump is going after the feminist vote?

Ha ha but no.

They'll be tossing out all kinds of hints or fake evidence of scandals. It's crucial to make "Crooked Joe Biden" a thing because it inoculates Trump against all the evidence of his own real crimes.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sun May 03, 2020 12:16 pm

The idea is to pull Joe down and eliminate his advantages. I've been saying it for awhile. This is going to be the worst election you've ever seen. NY Times and MSNBC have latched onto this shit already. I don't think it'll be too long before more realize 'But her emails' wasn't some one off anomaly.

Update: More evidence has come out that he wasn't there - but the accuser is standing by her story. This is ugly stuff folks.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun May 03, 2020 5:53 pm

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1257 ... 46081?s=20

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue May 05, 2020 9:27 am

It's mourning in America.

Pretty devastating ad by a disaffected Republican group, which Trump did the solid of promoting Streisand-style on his twitter feed.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue May 05, 2020 9:36 am

El Guapo wrote: Tue May 05, 2020 9:27 am It's mourning in America.

Pretty devastating ad by a disaffected Republican group, which Trump did the solid of promoting Streisand-style on his twitter feed.

I dropped this into Pics/Vids thread but very effective ad style message. I can't help but think that the Biden campaign should hire Rick Wilson or some of the Lincoln Project folks (if they were willing obviously). The trouble is the progressives would lose their minds.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue May 05, 2020 10:03 am

malchior wrote: Tue May 05, 2020 9:36 am
El Guapo wrote: Tue May 05, 2020 9:27 am It's mourning in America.

Pretty devastating ad by a disaffected Republican group, which Trump did the solid of promoting Streisand-style on his twitter feed.
I dropped this into Pics/Vids thread but very effective ad style message. I can't help but think that the Biden campaign should hire Rick Wilson or some of the Lincoln Project folks (if they were willing obviously). The trouble is the progressives would lose their minds.

I think it's better for everyone if they remain independent. As soon as they sign on with the Biden campaign both progressives lose their minds (Bernie folks say "see? I told you he's a crypto-Republican") *and* the Lincoln Project lose some of their "stewards of the true Republican flame" appeal.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue May 05, 2020 10:45 am

El Guapo wrote: Tue May 05, 2020 10:03 am
malchior wrote: Tue May 05, 2020 9:36 am
El Guapo wrote: Tue May 05, 2020 9:27 am It's mourning in America.

Pretty devastating ad by a disaffected Republican group, which Trump did the solid of promoting Streisand-style on his twitter feed.
I dropped this into Pics/Vids thread but very effective ad style message. I can't help but think that the Biden campaign should hire Rick Wilson or some of the Lincoln Project folks (if they were willing obviously). The trouble is the progressives would lose their minds.
I think it's better for everyone if they remain independent. As soon as they sign on with the Biden campaign both progressives lose their minds (Bernie folks say "see? I told you he's a crypto-Republican") *and* the Lincoln Project lose some of their "stewards of the true Republican flame" appeal.

Fair - unofficial advisors or coordination maybe is a better soft sell but Biden needs to appeal to the broadest possible coalition and undermine Trump where possible. No one should hold back on anything. We're that close to the abyss here. Trump is openly consolidating power.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue May 05, 2020 11:45 am

malchior wrote: Tue May 05, 2020 10:45 am
El Guapo wrote: Tue May 05, 2020 10:03 am
malchior wrote: Tue May 05, 2020 9:36 am
El Guapo wrote: Tue May 05, 2020 9:27 am It's mourning in America.

Pretty devastating ad by a disaffected Republican group, which Trump did the solid of promoting Streisand-style on his twitter feed.
I dropped this into Pics/Vids thread but very effective ad style message. I can't help but think that the Biden campaign should hire Rick Wilson or some of the Lincoln Project folks (if they were willing obviously). The trouble is the progressives would lose their minds.
I think it's better for everyone if they remain independent. As soon as they sign on with the Biden campaign both progressives lose their minds (Bernie folks say "see? I told you he's a crypto-Republican") *and* the Lincoln Project lose some of their "stewards of the true Republican flame" appeal.
Fair - unofficial advisors or coordination maybe is a better soft sell but Biden needs to appeal to the broadest possible coalition and undermine Trump where possible. No one should hold back on anything. We're that close to the abyss here. Trump is openly consolidating power.

I agree, I just suspect (speaking as an official internet campaign expert) that in this case everyone's more effective separate. The value of Lincoln Project and their band of Never Trumpers is to take shots at Trump from a conservative angle to appeal to potential disaffected Republicans. Their value goes down the more they get associated with Democrats.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue May 05, 2020 11:50 am

I actually think this is going to blow up in his face. Deaths are going to spiral upwards and maybe even he won't be able to outrun that reality. Or the media will fall down on the job again. Whatever the case, he is rolling the dice. Here is to hoping he fails.

https://twitter.com/tannenbaumr/status/ ... 0216986626

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue May 05, 2020 12:14 pm

malchior wrote: Tue May 05, 2020 11:50 am I actually think this is going to blow up in his face. Deaths are going to spiral upwards and maybe even he won't be able to outrun that reality. Or the media will fall down on the job again. Whatever the case, he is rolling the dice. Here is to hoping he fails.

https://twitter.com/tannenbaumr/status/ ... 0216986626

I saw commentary today to the effect that Trump's superpower has always been his ability to change the subject. Half of his offensive behavior is dedicated to shifting attention to itself away from some other story.

This new crisis is so much larger than him, however, that this will be more and more impossible.

Coronavirus is immune to Trump.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Tue May 05, 2020 9:52 pm

https://twitter.com/jwgop/status/1257730611571286018

John Weaver (@jwgop) wrote:Just to be clear, we at @ProjectLincoln won't be intimidated. We are proud to partner with our Constitution loving friends on the Democratic side as we help build the Army of the Decent to route @realDonaldTrump & his enablers in the GOP.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Tue May 05, 2020 9:57 pm

Route?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed May 06, 2020 12:31 am

Door’s to your left.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed May 06, 2020 1:53 pm

Ouch!

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1258091420897902592

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed May 06, 2020 2:57 pm

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1 ... 5479174146

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed May 06, 2020 3:28 pm

Yesterday I bought $50 worth of first-class stamps to help USPS stay afloat, because we're going to need them in November. $50 worth of stamps will probably last me the rest of my life.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu May 07, 2020 5:19 pm

https://twitter.com/lkmcgann/status/125 ... 44962?s=20

Definitely worth a read if you're following this story.

This reporter tries her best to give Reade the benefit of the doubt, but details how difficult that is.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu May 07, 2020 9:47 pm

I'm totally...totally shocked by this turn of events.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status ... 8598934528

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri May 08, 2020 9:37 am

There's also apparently this. The story is not going away. Of course, none of the allegations against Trump sank him.

https://www.twitter.com/MattFountain1/s ... 1261623296

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri May 08, 2020 10:31 pm

Savage

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/ ... 4589876230

Donald Trump and his venomous politics and ideology are un-American.

Donald Trump IS The Snake.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat May 09, 2020 9:29 am

Very nice

That really needs to be on TV
(I assume it’s not)

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sun May 10, 2020 9:36 am

You know what even worse than mail-in ballots? Voting in person!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 2984180736

Your Beloved President wrote:So in California, the Democrats, who fought like crazy to get all mail in only ballots, and succeeded, have just opened a voting booth in the most Democrat area in the State. They are trying to steal another election. It’s all rigged out there. These votes must not count. SCAM!

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sun May 10, 2020 9:53 am

This guy is almost cartoonish in the transparency of his evil plots. The level of dumb it must take to fall for his cons is mind-boggling. It's absolutely terrifying that 40+ % of the populace buy into it hook, line, and sinker.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sun May 10, 2020 1:51 pm

Max Peck wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 9:36 am You know what even worse than mail-in ballots? Voting in person!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 2984180736
Your Beloved President wrote:So in California, the Democrats, who fought like crazy to get all mail in only ballots, and succeeded, have just opened a voting booth in the most Democrat area in the State. They are trying to steal another election. It’s all rigged out there. These votes must not count. SCAM!

That's legit, right?