El Guapo wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 2:35 pmThat's not the same. Gas *can* backfire on your troops if you use it wrong or in the wrong conditions. Nuclear weapons *can* poison the atmosphere if too many are fired. But both can be targeted at the enemy and won't necessarily backfire if used correctly (e.g., chemical weapons have been successfully used on enemy soldiers, nuclear weapons were successfully used by the U.S. against Japan). There's no way to use this coronavirus in any kind of a targeted way.
Now, I could see either this being designed to basically facilitate the aggregation of authoritarian powers, or I suppose (in the 'escaped from a lab scenario') could be this was part of bio-research (say, as part of counter-biological warfare research) and wound up getting loose.
Anyway, this is all conspiracy theorizing regardless.
I get what you're saying about not being able to control it once it's unleashed, but use of these weapons isn't one sided either. Yes, a country could choose to use one nuke on a far away land. In theory this means the weapon is usable. The reason this is not true in reality is because the other side will retaliate. The thousands of nukes we have weren't accumulated because we were anticipating needing to drop one here or there if needed. They were accumulated because if nukes were going to be in play then entire countries needed to be wiped out. This means they are unusable unless someone wants to end humanity.
Bio-weapons would be accumulated for the same reason. The other side has them and even if they had a secret vaccine or other way to protect themselves it won't matter if you unleash your bio-weapon in retaliation.
I think it's possible for a virus to get out of a lab accidentally. This means no conspiracy theory is necessary since it wasn't planned. I suppose covering up an accident falls into the conspiracy category. But then it's a conspiracy to cover up an accident, not a conspiracy to unleash a weapon. That's not as juicy a conspiracy.
Smoove_B wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:11 pm
As promised, I continue to monitor semen. The good news is that so far, there's no indication it is an issue, but that could change. As you were.
Chinese researchers who tested the sperm of men infected with Covid-19 found a minority had the new coronavirus in their semen, opening up a small chance the disease could be sexually transmitted, scientists have said.
A study by doctors at China’s Shangqiu municipal hospital of 38 men hospitalised with the disease found that six of them(16%), tested positive for Sars-CoV-2 in their semen.
The researchers said that while the findings were preliminary, and based on only a small number of infected men, more research is needed to see whether sexual transmission might play a role in the Covid-19 pandemic.
"The test result comes back in five minutes, and we have great testing. Or they wouldn't be allowed to travel with me," Trump said. "It's not my choice; it's a very strong group of people that want to make sure they are tested, including Secret Service."
Unlimited tests on a whim. While front line workers have to fight for testing, many dying of COVID untested.
If it's not his choice then he should put his foot down and demand not to be tested and send that machine to front-line workers. Fucking pansy.
I'll never understand why people like him reach his age and continue to live while good people die young.
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Fretmute wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 4:16 pm
You know how it is. He has total authority, except in the cases where he has no authority whatsoever and has to do as others will.
I think you forgot the "wink, wink".
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Isgrimnur wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 4:04 pmThe researchers said that while the findings were preliminary, and based on only a small number of infected men, more research is needed to see whether sexual transmission might play a role in the Covid-19 pandemic.
Thanks for your handy assist! I can deputize you for the semen monitoring committee if you'd like?
Isgrimnur wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 4:04 pmThe researchers said that while the findings were preliminary, and based on only a small number of infected men, more research is needed to see whether sexual transmission might play a role in the Covid-19 pandemic.
Thanks for your handy assist! I can deputize you for the semen monitoring committee if you'd like?
Doesn't Ralph Wiggum specialize in animal semen collection? I feel like he would be a good addition to your team.
He should self isolate for 37+ days (actually, just make it a couple of months, to be on the safe side). Also, we should also separately isolate all his cell phones him and other forms of electronic communication from him as potential sources of infection. And keep them off, cause 5G. Just in case.
Later on Thursday, Trump said the administration was increasing the frequency of testing at the White House from weekly to daily.
I don't believe for a second that Trump, Pence, handlers and top people in the administration haven't been tested daily since March. They're goddamn evil.
Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick said he would cover a fine owed by Dallas salon owner Shelley Luther, who is serving a seven-day jail sentence. A spokesperson later confirmed Patrick did just that, CBS DFW reports.
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Patrick said on Twitter Wednesday he would cover the cost, and volunteered to be placed under house arrest so she could be released.
The Supreme Court of Texas has ordered the release of Dallas salon owner, Shelly Luther, who was jailed for violating executive stay at home orders during the COVID-19 pandemic.
She’s currently in isolation and protective custody at the Lew Sterrett Justice Center in Dallas.
The jail is expected to release her Thursday afternoon.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott modified his executive orders and eliminated confinement as a punishment for violating the mandates.
Smoove_B wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 6:42 pm
I don't believe for a second that Trump, Pence, handlers and top people in the administration haven't been tested daily since March. They're goddamn evil.
I'd modify this with the clause that, because testing is so physically unpleasant, everyone around Trump *except Trump* is required to be tested every day.
In other news, in case you were wondering how other parts of the world view America right now:
Genocide by default': America prepares for a brutal coronavirus slow burn
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Having oscillated throughout the crisis between defeating the virus and protecting the economy, Trump appears to have settled on his decision. It was revealed on Thursday (Friday AEST) that the White House blocked the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention from releasing detailed guidelines to help schools, restaurants and churches safely re-open because it feared they were too prescriptive and would slow the economic recovery.
"This is getting awfully close to genocide by default," Yale epidemiologist Gregg Gonsalves said on Twitter. "What else do you call mass death by public policy?"
Testifying before Congress this week, Johns Hopkins University epidemiologist Caitlin Rivers said she was alarmed that the US seemed prepared to tolerate a far higher death toll than most other countries.
"We risk complacency in accepting the preventable deaths of 2000 Americans each day," she said.
"We risk complacency in accepting that our healthcare workers do not have what they need to do their jobs safely. And we risk complacency in recognising that without continued vigilance in slowing transmission, we will again create the conditions that led to us being the worst-affected country in the world."
In other news, in case you were wondering how other parts of the world view America right now:
Genocide by default': America prepares for a brutal coronavirus slow burn
...
Having oscillated throughout the crisis between defeating the virus and protecting the economy, Trump appears to have settled on his decision. It was revealed on Thursday (Friday AEST) that the White House blocked the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention from releasing detailed guidelines to help schools, restaurants and churches safely re-open because it feared they were too prescriptive and would slow the economic recovery.
"This is getting awfully close to genocide by default," Yale epidemiologist Gregg Gonsalves said on Twitter. "What else do you call mass death by public policy?"
Testifying before Congress this week, Johns Hopkins University epidemiologist Caitlin Rivers said she was alarmed that the US seemed prepared to tolerate a far higher death toll than most other countries.
"We risk complacency in accepting the preventable deaths of 2000 Americans each day," she said.
"We risk complacency in accepting that our healthcare workers do not have what they need to do their jobs safely. And we risk complacency in recognising that without continued vigilance in slowing transmission, we will again create the conditions that led to us being the worst-affected country in the world."
I know this isn't the most important thing right now, but it annoys me when people call "a lot of people dying" a genocide, when it's not - a genocide is the targeted mass death of a distinct group / people / sect / etc.
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:57 pmI know this isn't the most important thing right now, but it annoys me when people call "a lot of people dying" a genocide, when it's not - a genocide is the targeted mass death of a distinct group / people / sect / etc.
I'll submit these then for some lite reading. Make no mistake, COVID-19 is absolutely disproportionately impacting Americans. And when the administration ignores or minimizes what's happening, the gaps grow. We can dicker over the "intentional targeting" element, but if I had to guess whether or not Trump or Pence shrugged their shoulders when presented with this information, I'm guessing the answer is yes.
Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick said he would cover a fine owed by Dallas salon owner Shelley Luther, who is serving a seven-day jail sentence. A spokesperson later confirmed Patrick did just that, CBS DFW reports.
...
Patrick said on Twitter Wednesday he would cover the cost, and volunteered to be placed under house arrest so she could be released.
The Supreme Court of Texas has ordered the release of Dallas salon owner, Shelly Luther, who was jailed for violating executive stay at home orders during the COVID-19 pandemic.
She’s currently in isolation and protective custody at the Lew Sterrett Justice Center in Dallas.
The jail is expected to release her Thursday afternoon.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott modified his executive orders and eliminated confinement as a punishment for violating the mandates.
So Republicans are now the party of civil disobedience?
I'd agree. Testing him would be pointless. He's the "tippy top" of their pyramid. If he gets sick, it's because everyone under him failed. It's not because he refused to take reasonable precautions.
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LordMortis wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:01 am
I read a random person this morning state they intend to treat the would as stay at home as possible until hospitals allow visitors.
Was it me? Because I've been saying that for about three weeks now.
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LordMortis wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:01 am
I read a random person this morning state they intend to treat the would as stay at home as possible until hospitals allow visitors.
Was it me? Because I've been saying that for about three weeks now.
It was not. But I did see a .gif response to a shredded dude dressed as slave Leia that said "That's a Meal, not a snack" and I thought of you. I also though of *Rick and Morty*'s Ticket Please guy conversation.
A military recruitment memo sent out by the US Military Entrance Processing Command (MEPCOM) states that those who have tested positive for COVID-19 will not be allowed to join the military — even after they recover.
A military recruitment memo sent out by the US Military Entrance Processing Command (MEPCOM) states that those who have tested positive for COVID-19 will not be allowed to join the military — even after they recover.
Other stories I read on that yesterday said it was a temporary measure until more is known about the virus, including official quotes. They may just be trying to avoid recruiting carriers until the dormant vs recovered debate is settled.
Stupid bastard. If he is being tested and is always clear then why does he need an antibody test? Moron. Guess its the easy spit test. Of course he can take all the tests he wants while others cant.
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That would be very bad if he claims he has them and survived then actually gets it or worse gets it and dies. That would scare a lot of folks.
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When in doubt, skewer it out...I don't know.
Daehawk wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 11:26 am
That would be very bad if he claims he has them and survived then actually gets it or worse gets it and dies. That would scare a lot of folks.
The people who believed the original claim could use a scare.
A military recruitment memo sent out by the US Military Entrance Processing Command (MEPCOM) states that those who have tested positive for COVID-19 will not be allowed to join the military — even after they recover.
Unless we aren’t being told something about their understanding of the virus....
It’s as if they know there are people who are not going to get sick ever, and those are the people we want in the army.
Or as if they are saying people who got it are immune deficient, and to the degree that the military won’t want to handle their weakness.
How are they even going to know? HIPAA is so stringent when it comes to this sort of information that your employer can't tell you whether the coworker in the next cube disappeared because of Covid, WFR, Imperial decimation decree, or suicide booth.
New policy: Do ask, do tell. Honesty is appreciated, but also viewed as a sign of weakness.
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El Guapo wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:57 pmI know this isn't the most important thing right now, but it annoys me when people call "a lot of people dying" a genocide, when it's not - a genocide is the targeted mass death of a distinct group / people / sect / etc.
I'll submit these then for some lite reading. Make no mistake, COVID-19 is absolutely disproportionately impacting Americans. And when the administration ignores or minimizes what's happening, the gaps grow. We can dicker over the "intentional targeting" element, but if I had to guess whether or not Trump or Pence shrugged their shoulders when presented with this information, I'm guessing the answer is yes.
The case for calling it genocide is helped by current events. A black guy goes jogging and gets killed by a couple of white guys, at least one of whom is former law enforcement of some sort. Meanwhile, in another state, a crowd of armed white guys goes to the state capitol to make demands and no one bothers them. The President even offers supportive words to them, of course he did he's the one who instigates this kind of thing to begin with. Trump can't make it any more clear where he stands on this, so federal policies should be seen in that light.
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:57 pmI know this isn't the most important thing right now, but it annoys me when people call "a lot of people dying" a genocide, when it's not - a genocide is the targeted mass death of a distinct group / people / sect / etc.
I'll submit these then for some lite reading. Make no mistake, COVID-19 is absolutely disproportionately impacting Americans. And when the administration ignores or minimizes what's happening, the gaps grow. We can dicker over the "intentional targeting" element, but if I had to guess whether or not Trump or Pence shrugged their shoulders when presented with this information, I'm guessing the answer is yes.
The case for calling it genocide is helped by current events. A black guy goes jogging and gets killed by a couple of white guys, at least one of whom is former law enforcement of some sort. Meanwhile, in another state, a crowd of armed white guys goes to the state capitol to make demands and no one bothers them. The President even offers supportive words to them, of course he did he's the one who instigates this kind of thing to begin with. Trump can't make it any more clear where he stands on this, so federal policies should be seen in that light.
A genocide is not just a policy that has disproportionate deaths among particular minority groups. It's actions with the intent of substantially wiping out a group *as a group*. Trump is 100% indifferent to the lives of African-Americans (and nonwhite people, really non-Trump voting people). However, the administration's policies are not attempting to wipe out African-Americans or any particular group as a group, and are accordingly not a genocide.
However, this is an entirely separate discussion that's not important and irrelevant to the broader topic, so I don't think we need to go farther on this.
It doesn't feel like genocide but there are certainty groups in the crosshairs.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 2:05 pm
Are the 99% "a group?" Are the elderly?
It doesn't feel like genocide but there are certainty groups in the crosshairs.
No, the 99% are not a group (which generally means a distinct ethnic / religious / national / etc. group), unless you're talking about Americans, which would qualify. The elderly probably aren't either, but that's closer.
He should self isolate for 37+ days (actually, just make it a couple of months, to be on the safe side). Also, we should also separately isolate all his cell phones him and other forms of electronic communication from him as potential sources of infection. And keep them off, cause 5G. Just in case.
Later on Thursday, Trump said the administration was increasing the frequency of testing at the White House from weekly to daily.
Katie Miller, a spokesperson for Vice President Mike Pence, has tested positive for coronavirus, according to two people with knowledge of Miller's diagnosis.
Miller's positive diagnosis for Covid-19 puts the potential threat of the infection squarely into the president’s inner circle. Miller serves as the vice president’s top spokesperson, traveling with him frequently and attending meetings by his side. She is also married to another top White House aide and senior adviser, Stephen Miller, who writes the majority of Trump’s speeches and spends copious amounts of time around the president, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump.
Hmmm maybe testing and contact tracing are important. Or maybe it's just the flu. Are they taking their hyrdochlorocrap?
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