Corona Virus: It's a Marathon, Not a Sprint

[Smoove_B]

I agree on McConnell, but is there anything specific that prompted that now?

Yes. It's Tuesday and it's part of my daily affirmation. More specifically, see the link Lord Mortis shared a few posts back. Moscow Mitch is not amused at how Obama is criticizing the current administration's response. Apparently an immediate past-president violating norms of office is truly upsetting to him.

[LordMortis]

Specifically I thought you'd love:

"But I think it's a little bit classless...

adding that it went against the tradition

the Obama administration "did not leave to this administration, any kind of game plan and for something like this," referring to the current coronavirus crisis.

Which is where I end up with RM9, feeling shame in actually hoping these people feel the fallout as personally as too many I know are beginning to. (I am fortunate in that so far it's all sympathy for loss for someone else who can't be there to support and be supported by others) They're happy to sacrifice the lives ordinary folks and my golden ruler had been broken. I hope one day it can be mended.

[Paingod]

From what I've seen anecdotally, the average person does not know how to remove gloves without potentially contaminating their hands. Also, people are goddamn animals and they're just tossing gloves in parking lots or where ever they fee like it. Glove use really isn't helping here and in some cases it could be making things worse. Hand hygiene is a better message.

The OO taught me to take my gloves off correctly, and now I do. The only place I use them, though, is the gas station. I put a glove on my right hand. The right hand touches the screen, pushes the buttons, and wields the spout of fire fluid. My left hand does everything else involving me and my car. When it's all over, a finger goes under the glove, pulls it off, and into the trash it goes.

Knowing gas pumps were some of the nastiest things in existence before the virus made it an easy choice for the extra precaution.

[Skinypupy]

https://twitter.com/RonaldKlain/status/ ... one-for-us

Fuck Mitch McConnell.

[Daehawk]

Ill toss a small party of one when he croaks and burns.

[LawBeefaroni]

https://twitter.com/RonaldKlain/status/ ... one-for-us

Fuck Mitch McConnell.

Yeah, but it's out there now. Anyone who needed reinforcement got it.

Pretty sure there is no chance that truth carries the day anymore.

[Paingod]

Ill toss a small party of one when he croaks and burns.

I'm willing to bet you won't be alone. When a percentage of a population is excited for you to shuffle off the mortal coil, you probably weren't a good person.

[stessier]

As of Monday, May 18th, it looks like all businesses in SC will be open. Still some limit on occupancy, but based on the outings I have done, no one is really paying much attention to spacing or masks. Guess we'll see what happens.

[Holman]

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/ ... 49793?s=20
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/ ... 15719?s=20

[Skinypupy]

A nice thought seen elsewhere on the intertubes today.

I wonder if we could make mask-wearing something nice that people do. Like opening the door for someone. It’s not a sign of how woke you are, how much or little faith you have in science, or what party you belong to. It’s not even a sign of whether or not you think masks do anything. It’s just an acknowledgement that you share this Earth with other people, and that some of those people feel uncomfortable in the middle of a pandemic around other people without masks.

Trust me, I know they’re uncomfortable. But really, it’s not that bad, you don’t have to wear them all day, and it’s the cheapest thing we’ve been asked to do so far. If you want to open up the economy again, you’ll have a lot more support if others see a visible sign that you are thinking about things (as you undoubtedly are).

We do all kinds of things to help each other out and to show each other we care. Maybe this could be the next one?

Obviously a bridge too far for the MAGA crowd, but a nice thought nonetheless.

[Daehawk]

I wear my bandana mask everywhere. I admit to feeling uncomfortable going i na store or to the bank with it is. Not physical comfort but mental. I was always taught not to wear a mask in places. I feel like ill be shot.

[Isgrimnur]

Obviously a bridge too far for the MAGA crowd, but a nice thought nonetheless.

When one lacks the capacity for empathy, any inconvenience is met with the reactions of a small child.

[Victoria Raverna]

A nice thought seen elsewhere on the intertubes today.

I wonder if we could make mask-wearing something nice that people do. Like opening the door for someone. It’s not a sign of how woke you are, how much or little faith you have in science, or what party you belong to. It’s not even a sign of whether or not you think masks do anything. It’s just an acknowledgement that you share this Earth with other people, and that some of those people feel uncomfortable in the middle of a pandemic around other people without masks.

Trust me, I know they’re uncomfortable. But really, it’s not that bad, you don’t have to wear them all day, and it’s the cheapest thing we’ve been asked to do so far. If you want to open up the economy again, you’ll have a lot more support if others see a visible sign that you are thinking about things (as you undoubtedly are).

We do all kinds of things to help each other out and to show each other we care. Maybe this could be the next one?

Obviously a bridge too far for the MAGA crowd, but a nice thought nonetheless.

Maybe a MAGA mask will work for the MAGA crowd. Trump can sell official MAGA masks.

[hepcat]

As much as I dislike McConnell, I think I sometimes hate Rand Paul almost as much. Today he decided to personally attack Fauci during his appearance.

Paul, a Kentucky Republican, challenged Fauci during a congressional hearing, saying he doesn't think Fauci is the "end-all," and "the one person that gets to make the decision" regarding reopening the US economy during the coronavirus pandemic.
"I think we ought to have a little bit of humility in our belief that we know what's best for the economy, and as much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don't think you're the end-all," Paul said.

I think from now on, if Paul opens his vile, putrid stink hole of a mouth to anyone, the response should be, “You bring up an interesting point. To answer your question...HERE’S YOUR NEIGHBOR!” Then that American hero just flies out of nowhere and decks that son of a bitch.

[Zarathud]

"I think we ought to have a little bit of humility over Rand Paul’s belief that he knows what's best for anything, and as much as no one should respect you, Senator, I don't think you're the end-all," America said.

Fixed that for you.

[Paingod]

Will it work?

https://twitter.com/TravisAllen02/statu ... 7353443329

[YellowKing]

Yeah Rand Paul's comment really pissed me off, particularly since Fauci has always acknowledged we don't know everything about this virus (and good for him for defending himself).

However, just because the experts don't know everything about a lethal virus doesn't mean what they don't know is all good news. To err on the side of non-caution as Rand Paul is suggesting, is just plain stupid. And fuck him if he wants to play games with children's lives.

It's the typical GOP "we don't trust science" bullshit disguised in a lot of flowery prose. I bet Rand Paul couldn't name one "expert" (besides maybe the Plandemic lady) that disagrees with Fauci.

Sorry if I trust Dr. Fauci over a guy who got his ass beat by his neighbor.

[LordMortis]

I think we ought to have a little bit of humility in our belief that we know what's best for the economy,

At least he used the first person here. Ironic self awareness?

[hepcat]

Sorry if I trust Dr. Fauci over a guy who got his ass beat by his neighbor. an American hero.

FTFY

[LordMortis]

Sorry if I trust Dr. Fauci (and the largess of the medical community, virologists, the experts Paul supported firing, epidemiologists, the combined efforts of the health care, the CDC when uncensored by the executive office... ) over a guy who got his ass beat by his neighbor.

Listening to the thing now. It's worse...

"Wrong prediction after wrong prediction after wrong prediction"... starting with the president?

"So we ought to have humility" by sacrificing the most vulnerable of population while we throw out caution in pursuit ignorance because Sweden.

Also, Fauci, "I don't give economic advice"

[Paingod]

Sorry if I trust Dr. Fauci over a guy who got his ass beat by his neighbor. an American hero.

FTFY

Shouldn't be too hard to track down where that guy lives and send him a "Thank You" card.

[Smoove_B]

The barbershop patriots are here:

Armed members of the Michigan Home Guard stood outside Karl Manke's barbershop, ready to blockade the door if police arrived. They were determined to help Manke, 77, reopen his shop Monday, in defiance of state orders, and dozens joined them, wearing Trump sweatshirts and Trump cowboy hats and waving Trump flags...

...

But at the barbershop in Owosso, the local sheriff has said he will not enforce Whitmer’s orders. Republican lawmakers have not backed Whitmer’s efforts to get businesses to comply. Chatfield’s spokesman, Gideon D’Assandro, called Whitmer’s orders “legally questionable at best.”

[LordMortis]

The barbershop patriots are here:

Armed members of the Michigan Home Guard stood outside Karl Manke's barbershop, ready to blockade the door if police arrived. They were determined to help Manke, 77, reopen his shop Monday, in defiance of state orders, and dozens joined them, wearing Trump sweatshirts and Trump cowboy hats and waving Trump flags...

...

But at the barbershop in Owosso, the local sheriff has said he will not enforce Whitmer’s orders. Republican lawmakers have not backed Whitmer’s efforts to get businesses to comply. Chatfield’s spokesman, Gideon D’Assandro, called Whitmer’s orders “legally questionable at best.”

If I could back to 1989, I would make a plan to move out of state and start a new life. Every life decision since then has laid roots to a place I no longer recognize.

[Kraken]

The barbershop patriots are here:

Armed members of the Michigan Home Guard stood outside Karl Manke's barbershop, ready to blockade the door if police arrived. They were determined to help Manke, 77, reopen his shop Monday, in defiance of state orders, and dozens joined them, wearing Trump sweatshirts and Trump cowboy hats and waving Trump flags...

...

But at the barbershop in Owosso, the local sheriff has said he will not enforce Whitmer’s orders. Republican lawmakers have not backed Whitmer’s efforts to get businesses to comply. Chatfield’s spokesman, Gideon D’Assandro, called Whitmer’s orders “legally questionable at best.”

If I could back to 1989, I would make a plan to move out of state and start a new life. Every life decision since then has laid roots to a place I no longer recognize.

I have never regretted moving away in 1981. Too many nuts in the woods. Why do you let rednecks prance around with guns? You're embarrassing yourself, Michigan.

[malchior]

The barbershop patriots are here:

Armed members of the Michigan Home Guard stood outside Karl Manke's barbershop, ready to blockade the door if police arrived. They were determined to help Manke, 77, reopen his shop Monday, in defiance of state orders, and dozens joined them, wearing Trump sweatshirts and Trump cowboy hats and waving Trump flags...

...

But at the barbershop in Owosso, the local sheriff has said he will not enforce Whitmer’s orders. Republican lawmakers have not backed Whitmer’s efforts to get businesses to comply. Chatfield’s spokesman, Gideon D’Assandro, called Whitmer’s orders “legally questionable at best.”

If I could back to 1989, I would make a plan to move out of state and start a new life. Every life decision since then has laid roots to a place I no longer recognize.

There is nowhere to go. This is everywhere. I'm in "blue" NJ and we have contingents of these morons. Less in my neck of the state than say Smoove_B's or my brother's area in NW NJ but still enough. I have mentioned that one of my former co-workers got it early and was one of the first cases at Rutgers (the asshole saying give it up for IT workers for enabling remote work). He is one of my steadfast canaries and he constantly talks about how it isn't that bad and we could be immune now.

Now when he had Covid-19 raging, he posted twice a day videos documenting how terrible it was. He said it was one of the most horrible experiences of his life. Yesterday he was likening it to the flu. These people lie to themselves. They lie to each other. They are broken people. They are brainwashed and they are killing this country. I don't know what to do but bunker up. There is no clean way out of this mess the GOP and the band of evil sociopaths have unleashed on us. If we had clean state lines like there were in 1860 we'd probably be fighting again but we are mixed together. I don't know how this ends but it only gets worse and worse all the time.

[LordMortis]

I have never regretted moving away in 1981. Too many nuts in the woods. Why do you let rednecks prance around with guns? You're embarrassing yourself, Michigan.

Too many nuts in the woods is why I never became a hunter. That was clear before 1989.

Rednecks with guns don't bother me. Letting them use those guns to intimidate, to dictate law enforcement, to actually try to control the legislature under their bizarre pretense as some sort of special knowledge because all the experts lie? Well, I done fucked up by staying here for college and a career and a house...

[LawBeefaroni]

I have never regretted moving away in 1981. Too many nuts in the woods. Why do you let rednecks prance around with guns? You're embarrassing yourself, Michigan.

Too many nuts in the woods is why I never became a hunter. That was clear before 1989.

Rednecks with guns don't bother me. Letting them use those guns to intimidate, to dictate law enforcement, to actually try to control the legislature under their bizarre pretense as some sort of special knowledge because all the experts lie? Well, I done fucked up by staying here for college and a career and a house...

Probably once every few weeks I consider how to move back. Already shopping for land up North. Wife and kids won't have it though so it will probably be vacation property rather than residential. 200 or so acres with a berm and a river. Not asking for much.

Grass is always greener...

[Smoove_B]

Perhaps a clue as to how the current administration suddenly found themselves surrounded:

The coronavirus test from Abbott Laboratories used at the White House to get rapid answers to whether someone is infected may miss as many as half of positive cases, according to a report from New York University.

The analysis, which has yet to be confirmed, found that Abbott’s ID NOW missed at least one-third of positive cases detected with a rival test and much as 48% when using the currently recommended dry nasal swabs, according to the report posted on BioRxiv, a server where researchers post early work before it has been reviewed by other scientists.

Need confirmation, but it doesn't surprise me at all they were relying on the least-invasive test possible.

[raydude]

The barbershop patriots are here:

Armed members of the Michigan Home Guard stood outside Karl Manke's barbershop, ready to blockade the door if police arrived. They were determined to help Manke, 77, reopen his shop Monday, in defiance of state orders, and dozens joined them, wearing Trump sweatshirts and Trump cowboy hats and waving Trump flags...

...

But at the barbershop in Owosso, the local sheriff has said he will not enforce Whitmer’s orders. Republican lawmakers have not backed Whitmer’s efforts to get businesses to comply. Chatfield’s spokesman, Gideon D’Assandro, called Whitmer’s orders “legally questionable at best.”

If I could back to 1989, I would make a plan to move out of state and start a new life. Every life decision since then has laid roots to a place I no longer recognize.

There is nowhere to go. This is everywhere. I'm in "blue" NJ and we have contingents of these morons. Less in my neck of the state than say Smoove_B's or my brother's area in NW NJ but still enough. I have mentioned that one of my former co-workers got it early and was one of the first cases at Rutgers (the asshole saying give it up for IT workers for enabling remote work). He is one of my steadfast canaries and he constantly talks about how it isn't that bad and we could be immune now.

Now when he had Covid-19 raging, he posted twice a day videos documenting how terrible it was. He said it was one of the most horrible experiences of his life. Yesterday he was likening it to the flu. These people lie to themselves. They lie to each other. They are broken people. They are brainwashed and they are killing this country. I don't know what to do but bunker up. There is no clean way out of this mess the GOP and the band of evil sociopaths have unleashed on us. If we had clean state lines like there were in 1860 we'd probably be fighting again but we are mixed together. I don't know how this ends but it only gets worse and worse all the time.

Blast those docu videos at full volume at the beginning of zoom meetings where he is participating or post links to the videos in response to his social media posts. Ask him what happened to that guy?

[LordMortis]

Perhaps a clue as to how the current administration suddenly found themselves surrounded:

The coronavirus test from Abbott Laboratories used at the White House to get rapid answers to whether someone is infected may miss as many as half of positive cases, according to a report from New York University.

The analysis, which has yet to be confirmed, found that Abbott’s ID NOW missed at least one-third of positive cases detected with a rival test and much as 48% when using the currently recommended dry nasal swabs, according to the report posted on BioRxiv, a server where researchers post early work before it has been reviewed by other scientists.

Need confirmation, but it doesn't surprise me at all they were relying on the least-invasive test possible.

If I were being tested daily that would actually be a metric in my decision. OtOH, it wouldn't surprise that there was a total disregard for accuracy of the test estimates or that testing gave them a sense of invulnerability.

[gilraen]

Perhaps a clue as to how the current administration suddenly found themselves surrounded:

The coronavirus test from Abbott Laboratories used at the White House to get rapid answers to whether someone is infected may miss as many as half of positive cases, according to a report from New York University.

The analysis, which has yet to be confirmed, found that Abbott’s ID NOW missed at least one-third of positive cases detected with a rival test and much as 48% when using the currently recommended dry nasal swabs, according to the report posted on BioRxiv, a server where researchers post early work before it has been reviewed by other scientists.

Need confirmation, but it doesn't surprise me at all they were relying on the least-invasive test possible.

I thought it was practically common knowledge at this point that all current rapid PCR tests - not just Abbott's and not just in the U.S. - have massive false negative rates.

[Z-Corn]

But at the barbershop in Owosso

That middle part of the state is an odd area. Lots of gun toting Trump supporters that grow lots of weed.

I always thought that was a strange combo.

[Z-Corn]

Probably once every few weeks I consider how to move back. Already shopping for land up North. Wife and kids won't have it though so it will probably be vacation property rather than residential. 200 or so acres with a berm and a river. Not asking for much.

Grass is always greener...

How far North you thinkin'?

[Smoove_B]

I thought it was practically common knowledge at this point that all current rapid PCR tests - not just Abbott's and not just in the U.S. - have massive false negative rates.

Might have been a general assumption. This NYU study is the first I've seen trying to actually quantify it.

[LawBeefaroni]

Probably once every few weeks I consider how to move back. Already shopping for land up North. Wife and kids won't have it though so it will probably be vacation property rather than residential. 200 or so acres with a berm and a river. Not asking for much.

Grass is always greener...

How far North you thinkin'?

North of Muskegon in the west, maybe Bay City in the east. No real set boundry, just where isolation tends to increase and prices start to drop. UP isn't out of the question but the further north, the more likely I'll have to buy a truck and I don't want to buy a truck.

I like the Manistee Forest area.

[Z-Corn]

Probably once every few weeks I consider how to move back. Already shopping for land up North. Wife and kids won't have it though so it will probably be vacation property rather than residential. 200 or so acres with a berm and a river. Not asking for much.

Grass is always greener...

How far North you thinkin'?

North of Muskegon in the west, maybe Bay City in the east. No real set boundry, just where isolation tends to increase and prices start to drop. UP isn't out of the question but the further north, the more likely I'll have to buy a truck and I don't want to buy a truck.

I like the Manistee Forest area.

I wondered if you were thinking UP. You could for sure find your 200 acres there but it just takes SO LONG to get up there, especially from Chicago. Plus, yeah...you would need a truck.

[The Meal]

Mosquitoes a legit concern in the UP as well.

House next door to my folks in Charlevoix is for sale (as they've pointed out every time I've talked to them for the past four months).

[Smoove_B]

Good luck Wisconsin:

The Wisconsin Supreme Court has struck down Gov. Tony Evers' order shutting down daily life to limit the spread of coronavirus — marking the first time a statewide order of its kind has been knocked down by a court of last resort.

The state's highest court, which is controlled by conservatives, sided with Republican lawmakers Wednesday in a decision that curbed the Evers administration's power to act unilaterally during public health emergencies.

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The ruling, for now, immediately throws out the administration's tool to control the disease for which there is no vaccine and comes at a time when Evers has already begun lifting some restrictions as the spread of the virus slows down for now.

[YellowKing]

Well there's one thing about it, the virus doesn't care about politics. So these folks hell bent on getting open will get the hell they deserve.

[LawBeefaroni]

Well there's one thing about it, the virus doesn't care about politics. So these folks hell bent on getting open will get the hell they deserve.

Not all of them. And that's the problem. Confirmation bias only needs one or two.