Corona Virus: It's a Marathon, Not a Sprint

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:07 pm

malchior wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:52 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:46 pm
$600 is totally stay home and kick your feet money forever type of money.
What's funny to be about this whole "we're paying people more money to stay home than to work!" is that it never occurs to the individuals making it that perhaps it suggests jobs need to be paying people more money? Nah, that would be crazy. Now get back to work for minimum wage and serve me endless bread sticks while I complain about how slow you all are.
Also maybe the jobs *don't exist* right now. There is some level of insinuation that all that is needed is some pluck and more hustle. We don't want to undercut that by motivating sloth or whatever evil, right-wing bullshit fantasy land ideas these people have.

ALSO that there are uniquely compelling policy reasons to pay people to stay home instead of go to work right now!

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:17 pm

In more fun news, Trump is resuming his nightly "coronavirus" briefings tomorrow night.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:18 pm

malchior wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:17 pm In more fun news, Trump is resuming his nightly "coronavirus" briefings tomorrow night.

Biden should send him a thank you note.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:19 pm

El Guapo wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:18 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:17 pm In more fun news, Trump is resuming his nightly "coronavirus" briefings tomorrow night.
Biden should send him a thank you note.

He and Sarah Cooper both. Although she already tweeted a positive reception of some sort.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:20 pm

malchior wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:17 pm In more fun news, Trump is resuming his nightly "coronavirus" briefings tomorrow night.

Probably because he has all the numbers now with no pesky CDC to fact check him. Our state's number reporting is all messed up as the hospitals switch over to the new reporting. The health department said it could be some time before they have accurate numbers and visibility to hospital bed and respirator usage again.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:29 pm

But it's totally unfair for someone who makes mid six figures and has had to work from home this whole time and these people with their extra $600 weren't willing to make them coffee or watch their kids or serve them beer while they blew off steam.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:31 pm

stessier wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:20 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:17 pm In more fun news, Trump is resuming his nightly "coronavirus" briefings tomorrow night.
Probably because he has all the numbers now with no pesky CDC to fact check him. Our state's number reporting is all messed up as the hospitals switch over to the new reporting. The health department said it could be some time before they have accurate numbers and visibility to hospital bed and respirator usage again.

It's Soviet style PR control. And now by switching systems they open the door to never-ending arguments over the data accuracy/crosswalks that will further sew doubt in our health care system and government. Feedback cycles right now are getting fierce.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:35 pm

malchior wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:42 pm $600 is totally stay home and kick your feet money forever type of money.

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1285249175232405507

For some it is, based on what they were getting and their opportunity for something more. That says a bit about the wages we pay people. Mnunchin wants them to work and make less than $1000 per week rather than not work and make $1000. I get my ultra rich messed up, is Mnunchin the one who said if you stop buying a $5 cup of coffee, you wouldn't need to make $10 an hour?

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:29 pm

Lately I've seen a trend recently among friends and family to take this weird hybrid stance on the virus. IE - they believe it's real, they wear their masks in public, etc. But at the same time they believe case counts are largely exaggerated, hospitals are over-reporting in order to somehow get more money, inaccurate tests are greatly inflating US numbers, etc.

As I told my dad (who falls under this umbrella), I don't really give a damn what the numbers on paper are. My hospital just hit 80% ICU capacity. The statistics are irrelevant when your hospital doesn't have room for you in an emergency.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:08 pm

malchior wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:17 pm In more fun news, Trump is resuming his nightly "coronavirus" briefings tomorrow night.

This is because he can't do rallies anymore.

Scraper · Post by **Scraper** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:16 pm

Holman wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:08 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:17 pm In more fun news, Trump is resuming his nightly "coronavirus" briefings tomorrow night.
This is because he can't do rallies anymore.

I predict that these "briefings" will go well. For Biden.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:53 pm

YellowKing wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:29 pmMy hospital just hit 80% ICU capacity. The statistics are irrelevant when your hospital doesn't have room for you in an emergency.

This is the real kicker. Every study I've seen suggests that COVID is eminently survivable IF you have access to medical care. (I'm not saying it's a walk in the park, but if you're otherwise healthy, your odds are excellent) But if you don't, because, say, all the hospitals are full....then it gets a LOT more deadly real quick.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:22 pm

And now all of the sudden he's for masks. This really couldn't have been handled any worse.

Malificent · Post by **Malificent** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:29 pm

Octavious wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:22 pm And now all of the sudden he's for masks. This really couldn't have been handled any worse.

I mean, better late than never...I guess? I mean, there's no actual good intent on Trump's part, other than seeing which way the wind is blowing and trying to do what he always does and make himself look good. But if it makes more people wear masks, then at least there's that.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:48 pm

Little Raven wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:53 pm
YellowKing wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:29 pmMy hospital just hit 80% ICU capacity. The statistics are irrelevant when your hospital doesn't have room for you in an emergency.
This is the real kicker. Every study I've seen suggests that COVID is eminently survivable IF you have access to medical care. (I'm not saying it's a walk in the park, but if you're otherwise healthy, your odds are excellent) But if you don't, because, say, all the hospitals are full....then it gets a LOT more deadly real quick.

Surviving may still leave you with some dramatic issues.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:22 pm

Scraper wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:16 pm
Holman wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:08 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:17 pm In more fun news, Trump is resuming his nightly "coronavirus" briefings tomorrow night.
This is because he can't do rallies anymore.
I predict that these "briefings" will go well. For Biden.

One hopes that trump will run them himself. Last I read, they were planning to prop experts in front of the cameras and limit trump's exposure. It probably won't really work that way. Trump can't resist a room full of cameras.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:40 pm

Another terrible mile stone approaching

1 Million Cases: April 28th
2 Million Cases: June 10th (~43 days)
3 Million Cases: July 9th (~29 days)
4 Million Cases: July 21st or 22nd (~12 - 13 days)

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:47 am

Malificent wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:29 pm But if it makes more people wear masks, then at least there's that.

So much this.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:00 am

Octavious wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:22 pm And now all of the sudden he's for masks. This really couldn't have been handled any worse.

The best part will be in a month when he's hailed by the GOP as a hero for taking charge of that mask debate and telling people they should be wearing them.

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:54 am

LordMortis wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:47 am
Malificent wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:29 pm But if it makes more people wear masks, then at least there's that.
So much this.

If he doesn't mandate wearing a mask nationally then it's all for show. I predict without a mandate you'll just see more nose exposed or bandanna wearing people. They'll be just as half-assed about it as he is.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:36 am

malchior wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:40 pm Another terrible mile stone approaching

1 Million Cases: April 28th
2 Million Cases: June 10th (~43 days)
3 Million Cases: July 9th (~29 days)
4 Million Cases: July 21st or 22nd (~12 - 13 days)

Clearly we need to stop testing so much!

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:02 am

https://twitter.com/chicagosmayor/statu ... 6259331072

Spoiler:

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:02 pm

I'm happy to see that. Apparently there was a memo as I'm seeing other cities and states starting to communicate pauses and rollbacks for activities - like Maryland:

Health officers from Maryland’s five largest counties and Baltimore City sent a letter Monday afternoon to the state health department asking for renewed restrictions on bars, restaurants and other establishments to curb the recent spike in coronavirus cases.

The letter, the text of which was obtained by The Baltimore Sun, was sent to Fran Phillips, a deputy health secretary, and puts the local officials in league with other public health experts seeking statewide action before the recent resurgence of cases grows worse.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:18 pm

Click to embiggen.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:29 pm

It just boggles the mind that indoor bars are open anywhere.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:37 pm

El Guapo wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:29 pm It just boggles the mind that indoor bars are open anywhere.

I went to my local yesterday. Temp check at the door, masks required except when sitting at your table, no bar seating. It was good to see everyone but honestly not high on my list to go back. Was sitting with 2 friends, 6 feet apart. We can probably just as easily get together and drink on a roof deck or front porch or garage.

They close again Friday anyway.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:38 pm

I have to research it some more, but a local-ish bowling alley is open and telling people they don't need to wear masks in their lanes, only when leaving to eat, use bathroom, etc...

EDIT: Yeah, I just verified it. They're on social media telling people masks aren't required (indoors) when in your lane.

In other news, exploiting loopholes to stick it to the libs is no longer permitted at Disney:

Previously, the rule’s exception on masks was limited to eating and drinking. But that loophole has now been closed, as patrons were seen walking throughout the park with beverages and food sans masks.

I saw some of this on social media over the weekend - suggestions to slowly eat a cookie while on a plane (for example) to get around mask requirements.

To clarify, these are actual adults doing this, not 6 year olds.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:41 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:38 pm I saw some of this on social media over the weekend - suggestions to slowly eat a cookie while on a plane (for example) to get around mask requirements.

To clarify, these are actual adults doing this, not 6 year olds.

This is what I was wondering when everyone was going off the rails about Cruz on a plane with no mask. He clearly had a coffee cup in his hand. Did he do that for the whole trip?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:43 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:37 pm
El Guapo wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:29 pm It just boggles the mind that indoor bars are open anywhere.
I went to my local yesterday. Temp check at the door, masks required except when sitting at your table, no bar seating. It was good to see everyone but honestly not high on my list to go back. Was sitting with 2 friends, 6 feet apart. We can probably just as easily get together and drink on a roof deck or front porch or garage.

They close again Friday anyway.

There are definitely indoor dining options available around MA too - have seen a few. I just don't understand why anyone would want to, especially in Massachusetts where you can comfortably eat outside these days (notwithstanding the recent heat wave).

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:48 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:38 pm I have to research it some more, but a local-ish bowling alley is open and telling people they don't need to wear masks in their lanes, only when leaving to eat, use bathroom, etc...

The local Bowlero is open and they don't specify restriction on guests other than no ball sharing and lane occupancy limits (4-6 people). They do have a lot of other controls in place such as removed furniture, self-service food ordering, sanitizer, etc. I don't know what the occupancy limit looks like but the place is friggin' huge. They often host the big PBA events there. I have been tempted to go because my physical activity is essentially zero right now.

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:50 pm

Oh, you want to talk about loopholes?

Zaxxon wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:34 pm Governor Polis finally found some stones...

Colorado on statewide mask order starting Friday.

And also:

GT wrote:But locally, law enforcement won’t be going around to arrest or issue tickets to every uncovered face they see, as Greeley police and Weld County deputies plan to take an educational approach seeking “voluntary compliance” with the new mandate.

(Which the small business owner where my daughter works has taken to mean: no need to post signs about or enact any enforcement about mask usage.)

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:51 pm

LordMortis wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:41 pmThis is what I was wondering when everyone was going off the rails about Cruz on a plane with no mask. He clearly had a coffee cup in his hand. Did he do that for the whole trip?

That was the claim - he was having coffee so the mask was off. However, there's no mask visible in the photo (like it was just removed to sip coffee) and there's other photos of him sitting in the terminal without a mask on. I'm inclined to believe he wasn't wearing a mask at all, mainly because it's Ted Cruz and he's an asshole.

So yeah - make it simple. Ban eating and drinking on planes. If you're hungry or thirsty, go into the bathroom and have a toilet snack.

I knew the veneer of polite society was thin. I didn't realize just how thin it was.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:56 pm

there's other photos of him sitting in the terminal without a mask on.

I did not see those. I was also surprised that Twitter outrager's passing the photo (including here) left the whole drinking examination out of their outrage. I'm very guarded when it comes to claims nowadays and I find that half stories only seem to help those that I would rather not be armed to generalize all unfavorable news as fake.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:00 pm

Our kiddos' TKD place has interpreted the mask mandate to mean when a bunch of kids are on the mat the masks can come off.

Uhh, they're not going back in-person anytime soon.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:02 pm

I'm very guarded when it comes to claims nowadays

It's probably a good idea, but my rage for prominent GOP members at this point is blinding.

In other news, 31 states are on the list now for NJ travel advisories:

States Include Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Nebraska, New Mexico, Nevada, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin

“It is critically important that all New Jerseyans remain committed to beating COVID-19 by remaining vigilant and continuing our collective efforts to reduce new cases and the rate of transmission throughout the state,” said Governor Murphy. “In order to prevent additional outbreaks across New Jersey and continue with our responsible restart and recovery process, I strongly encourage all individuals arriving from these hotspot states to proactively get a COVID-19 test and self-quarantine.”

For reference, my wife just had a COVID test. I didn't think she had it, but it was her doctor's recommendation. Anyway, it took 12 days to get a negative result. I can appreciate the sentiment of getting tested, but lets not pretend we're at a point where that information can be used to make quick decisions or chase down contacts. 12 days!

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:10 pm

With a twelve day turnaround all that does is pad the numbers for number of people tested.

We were trying to plan a short getaway within the state of MA since are neighboring states consider us a pariah state but after reading in the Boston Globe that there's up to a 1 week turnaround for test results in MA we decided that a staycation with some nice day trips is the way to go.

Such an epic fail all around in this country.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:22 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:02 pm It's probably a good idea, but my rage for prominent GOP members at this point is blinding.

Me too. All the more reason to be guarded. It's very easy for me to not check my own OUTRAGE so I've been monitoring it and monitoring it ever since Covington. That was my game changer for getting my facts in context. I honestly don't accept anything in 280 character with a picture format at face value anymore.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:30 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:02 pmFor reference, my wife just had a COVID test. I didn't think she had it, but it was her doctor's recommendation. Anyway, it took 12 days to get a negative result. I can appreciate the sentiment of getting tested, but lets not pretend we're at a point where that information can be used to make quick decisions or chase down contacts. 12 days!

My wife got tested Sunday early in the morning. She got the (negative) results back this morning. It was 2 days but we were told it'd be 3-5. It's wild how variable it is.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:40 pm

The major testing companies in MA according to the Boston Globe are facing backlogs due to the sheer number of out of state tests being sent to them.

Fuck you, maskless red state leeches.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:36 pm

El Guapo wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:43 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:37 pm
El Guapo wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:29 pm It just boggles the mind that indoor bars are open anywhere.
I went to my local yesterday. Temp check at the door, masks required except when sitting at your table, no bar seating. It was good to see everyone but honestly not high on my list to go back. Was sitting with 2 friends, 6 feet apart. We can probably just as easily get together and drink on a roof deck or front porch or garage.

They close again Friday anyway.
There are definitely indoor dining options available around MA too - have seen a few. I just don't understand why anyone would want to, especially in Massachusetts where you can comfortably eat outside these days (notwithstanding the recent heat wave).

Yeah, I might be tempted come October, when al fresco dining becomes unpleasant at best...but who knows what the world will be like in October? We've dined outside twice. The first time was not a good experience; the second was, and I'm sure we'll do it once or twice more before the weather turns.