Corona Virus: It's a Marathon, Not a Sprint

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:52 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:52 pm

Coronavirus case at Sturgis Motorcycle Rally prompts warning from health department:
A person who visited a bar during the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally has tested positive for the coronavirus, health officials in South Dakota said.

The person visited One-Eyed Jack's Saloon in Sturgis between noon and 5:30 p.m. on Tuesday, Aug. 11 "while able to transmit the virus to others," according to a news release by the state's Department of Health.

"Due to the risk of exposure, individuals that visited the business during the specified dates and times should monitor for symptoms for 14 days after they visited," the health department said.

Slow down, it's not like he was there for but just a quick drink with a few friends! Checks article, ssshhhhiiiittt. Can you imagine contact tracing Sturgis? That's impossible turned up to eleven.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:20 pm

Everything I know about Sturgis I learned from Hunter S. Thompson, so I say it checks out.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:56 pm

Fort Worth

The south end of downtown Fort Worth has been filled with an unlikely commodity this week: crowds. As in, hundreds to thousands of people have actually been there, attending a large gathering at the convention center and walking in the direction of restaurants and hotels, the way we did in the Before Times.

It is the work of religious leader and televangelist Kenneth Copeland. His Kenneth Copeland Ministries has been hosting the Southwest Believers’ Convention this week. The summit is the Fort Worth Convention Center’s first since the onset of coronavirus after it spent most of March through June functioning as a shelter for roughly 1,600 people experiencing homelessness.

Religious events are mostly exempt from Gov. Greg Abbott’s coronavirus executive orders, allowing for Copeland to host the Southwest Believers’ Convention without following most of the protocols mandatory for other indoor gatherings, including masks, occupancy limitations and social distancing. And many of the attendees from Copeland’s event appear to not be wearing masks or keeping six feet apart. The various speakers, for whom the audience cheers and applauds, have mostly not been wearing masks either.

“I am as frustrated by that as anyone,” Tarrant County Judge B. Glen Whitley said after a County Commissioners meeting on Tuesday. “When we are sitting here, trying to figure out how we are going to keep businesses open, keep people working, it frustrates me when you have a group of folks — any group of folks — that say basically ‘I’m going to be above this and I’m not going to worry about what effect I have on someone else.’

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:48 am

Isgrimnur wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:56 pm Fort Worth

It is the work of religious leader and televangelist Kenneth Copeland. His Kenneth Copeland Ministries has been hosting the Southwest Believers’ Convention this week. The summit is the Fort Worth Convention Center’s first since the onset of coronavirus after it spent most of March through June functioning as a shelter for roughly 1,600 people experiencing homelessness.

OMG that's this lunatic:

He's a complete and total grifter who claims he needs his fleet of private jets so that he doesn't fly with demons.

I'm pretty sure I've seen clips of him telling followers to donate their last dime to him so that God would see their faith and repay them. I doubt has any qualms about people dying for his collection plate.

EDIT: Oh, and he just showed up in the Religious Randomness for unrelated reasons.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:02 pm

Fabulous.

A new study adds to growing evidence that children are not immune to COVID-19 and may even play a larger role in community spread than previously thought.

Researchers at Massachusetts General Hospital and Mass General Hospital for Children found that among 192 children, 49 tested positive for the coronavirus and had significantly higher levels of virus in their airways than hospitalized adults in intensive care units, according to the study published Thursday in the Journal of Pediatrics.

“Kids are not immune from this infection, and their symptoms don’t correlate with exposure and infection,” said Dr. Alessio Fasano, senior author and director of the Mucosal Immunology and Biology Researcher Center at Massachusetts General Hospital.

The study was composed of children from ages zero to 22 who arrived at an urgent care clinic or hospital and were suspected of having SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

Fasano said some children were brought to these settings after exhibiting symptoms, but others showed no symptoms and were brought in because they had been in contact with an infected person or lived in what was considered a high-risk area.

“During this COVID-19 pandemic, we mainly screened symptomatic subjects, so we have reached the erroneous conclusion that the vast majority of people infected are adults,” he said. “We should not discount children as potential spreaders for this virus.”

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Study authors challenged the current hypothesis that children are less likely to get sick from COVID-19 because they had fewer virus receptors than adults. The receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), binds to the coronavirus and enables it to infect healthy cells.

While they found younger children did have fewer receptors, they still carried high levels of virus. This led researchers to believe children are more contagious, calling them "silent spreaders" of COVID-19, regardless of their susceptibility to developing infection.

Scientists also discovered that only half of the children who tested positive for the disease had a fever, leading experts to question the heavy reliance of non-contact thermal scanners at building entrances.

"How likely are you to pick up every case of COVID? The answer is only 50% of the time," DeBiasi said. "You still have to put in all those other measures to try to prevent spread (because) children will be missed from screening methods."

More at the link.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:10 pm

On the off chance anyone wants to (likes to?) read the actual study.

This is kinda interesting:

None of the SARS-CoV-2 (+) or MIS-C children had heart disease, hypertension, or diabetes, which are risk factors for infection in the adult population(19); however, 13 (27%) of SARS-CoV-2 (+) children were obese, as compared with 2 (11%) of the MIS-C cohort. Asthma was a common feature in SARS-CoV-2 (-) patients (29, 19%) whereas SARS-CoV-2 (+) and MIS-C patient groups displayed typical population rates of asthma(20) (6, 12% and 2,11%, respectively). Other pulmonary diseases, immune/autoimmune diseases, and neuro/neurodevelopmental diseases were assessed and were not seen in high levels in any cohort.

Mainly because of the noted problems for obese men (with respect to outcomes here in the US).

Also, let's not ignore this nugget:

From an infection-control perspective, it is critical to identify infected children early for quarantine purposes. One third of school-aged children presenting with illness during the height of the local pandemic were found to have SARS-CoV-2 infection. However, children display relatively mild or no symptoms.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:56 pm

Children have never really been silent but deadly until now.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:39 pm

Nobody knew collecting and reporting communicable disease data during a pandemic was so complicated, apparently.

The Trump administration appears to be reversing course and giving COVID-19 hospital data collection duties back to the the Centers for Disease Control, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday, citing comments from White House Coronavirus Task Force Coordinator Deborah Birx.

For the past month hospitals have been submitting data to TeleTracking, a private firm based in Pittsburgh, rather than the CDC. But the abrupt change to the company and lack of clear communication from the administration led to weeks of chaos, as TPM has reported.

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Questions about whether TeleTracking had the capacity and ability to take on the job of recording hospitals’ COVID data peppered the abrupt switch — announced last month — from the start. Besides highlighting that the company is well-versed in tracking patients’ progress through hospitals and the usage of hospital beds, TeleTracking offered little explanation as to why it was chosen to handle such a massive influx of data.

“The biggest issue with this new data system is, they are not the gold standard with data,” Karen Hoffmann, former president of the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology (APIC), told TPM last month. “They have no history with infection preventionists, where the CDC is really considered the gold standard to be able to track and use their expertise and their technical support for collecting data.”

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:40 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:39 pm Nobody knew collecting and reporting communicable disease data during a pandemic was so complicated, apparently.

The Trump administration appears to be reversing course and giving COVID-19 hospital data collection duties back to the the Centers for Disease Control, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday, citing comments from White House Coronavirus Task Force Coordinator Deborah Birx.

For the past month hospitals have been submitting data to TeleTracking, a private firm based in Pittsburgh, rather than the CDC. But the abrupt change to the company and lack of clear communication from the administration led to weeks of chaos, as TPM has reported.

...

Questions about whether TeleTracking had the capacity and ability to take on the job of recording hospitals’ COVID data peppered the abrupt switch — announced last month — from the start. Besides highlighting that the company is well-versed in tracking patients’ progress through hospitals and the usage of hospital beds, TeleTracking offered little explanation as to why it was chosen to handle such a massive influx of data.

“The biggest issue with this new data system is, they are not the gold standard with data,” Karen Hoffmann, former president of the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology (APIC), told TPM last month. “They have no history with infection preventionists, where the CDC is really considered the gold standard to be able to track and use their expertise and their technical support for collecting data.”

Not so fast. I just saw a tweet that they are denying it. Will see if I can find again and will edit in here.

Edit:

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1296533169014005760

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1296533169014005760

Spoiler:

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:42 pm

I totally believe they said it was happening and then denied it. Chaos is the goal.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:47 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:42 pm I totally believe they said it was happening and then denied it. Chaos is the goal.

Me right now:

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:50 pm

In other news another US senator has COVID (Cassidy) and Fauci had surgery to remove a polyp on his vocal chord.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:05 pm

This just in from my administration:

We know from the experiences of other colleges and universities that the spread of COVID-19 has been directly linked to student parties and has resulted in the need for those institutions to suspend on-ground operations.

Therefore, both on- and off-campus parties will not be tolerated and will result in initiating the Community Standards process resulting in significant sanctions – up to and including suspension for individual students/hosts and loss of recognition for student organizations found responsible.

In addition, we expect you to limit smaller gatherings – whether socializing or studying, on- or off-campus – and we require you to follow all University and City of Philadelphia guidance in this regard.

It's completely foolish to believe you'll get 100% and continuing compliance with this kind of rule.

Since the goal is to keep all students safe rather than just to enforce a code of individual behavior, proceeding despite the certainty of failure makes the administration responsible for what happens.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:11 pm

Bringing college students back on campus and them blaming them for partying means (1) your college plan was poorly written and/or (2) your college administration is completely out of touch with how college students act.

Knowing full-well that when you bring 20's something year old adults into close proximity, maybe that should have guided an appropriate way to handle the Fall semester.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:12 pm

Enough wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:50 pm Fauci had surgery to remove a polyp on his vocal chord.

Screaming into the headwinds of weaponized stupidity will do that.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:16 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:11 pm Bringing college students back on campus and them blaming them for partying means (1) your college plan was poorly written and/or (2) your college administration is completely out of touch with how college students act.

Here in CO at CSU we are being told that they know everyone is concerned that students will not follow social distancing guidelines and so they did a survey of students and it showed that over 90% are planning on following guidelines, so nothing to worry about you sillies! And at CC they tested all the students taking residency in dorms. They asked them to socially distance until they got the results. Of course they didn't and one student that tested positive that didn't distance has now resulted in over 150 students quarantined. They are not allowed to leave their dorm rooms for any reason except to go to the bathroom. I bet remote instruction is sounding preferable to those kids now! And the Air Force Academy has had cadets test positive but will not reveal how many. Yay!

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:25 pm

Enough wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:16 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:11 pm Bringing college students back on campus and them blaming them for partying means (1) your college plan was poorly written and/or (2) your college administration is completely out of touch with how college students act.
Here in CO at CSU we are being told that they know everyone is concerned that students will not follow social distancing guidelines and so they did a survey of students and it showed that over 90% are planning on following guidelines, so nothing to worry about you sillies! And at CC they tested all the students taking residency in dorms. They asked them to socially distance until they got the results. Of course they didn't and one student that tested positive that didn't distance has now resulted in over 150 students quarantined. They are not allowed to leave their dorm rooms for any reason except to go to the bathroom. I bet remote instruction is sounding preferable to those kids now! And the Air Force Academy has had cadets test positive but will not reveal how many. Yay!

But! It can always get worse. Triggered young conservatives are freaking out over CSU's rules on twitter,

https://twitter.com/theisabelb/status/1 ... 8797414402

https://twitter.com/theisabelb/status/1 ... 8797414402

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:33 pm

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:09 pm

Powerful prose my mom shared, using Sharpie pens as metaphor for how whack we are,

But I’m thinking about one Sharpie pen in particular. It’s black, medium thickness. And it stays in the blue emergency bag that I keep on the filing cabinet closest to my classroom door. Our school’s emergency bags are remarkably sparse. No band-aids, no first aid materials. We have one flashlight, one sign with my name to help my students find our class if they get separated during a mass exodus, one copy of my class rosters, and one Sharpie marker. Why a marker? Someone asked that very question at a staff meeting. The nurse explained, in a completely emotionless tone, that the Sharpie was so we could identify students and write their names on their bodies in the event of an incident.

She was vague, but we all knew exactly what she was saying. You have a marker in case someone armed with a military-style assault rifle strolls onto campus and starts murdering your co-workers and students. When the shooting stops, we need you to walk through the carnage of your classroom, checking for signs of life. And where there is none, take out that marker and write the name of that precious child, that beautiful life snuffed out too early. She didn’t tell us where we were supposed to write the name — on an arm? A leg? But nobody asked any more questions. We shuffled out of the library silently.

That Sharpie tells me everything I need to know about teaching through COVID. We could have poured resources into prevention. We could’ve spent all summer enforcing mask use and social distancing. We could’ve sacrificed small pleasures for the greater good. We could’ve kept this from happening. But instead, we’re blindly barreling toward reopening even though we know teachers and students will die. We’re going to treat COVID the same way we treat school shootings. An unfortunate but unavoidable cost to doing business. There will be some new morbid addition to the emergency bag. Some simple tool made macabre by the expectation for its use. And like we always do, we will ask our teachers to stand in the doorways and use our bodies as human shields. And if we make it out alive, we’ll be the ones tasked with walking through the wreckage and counting the bodies.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:20 pm

That's exactly correct. The only thing worse than realizing what's about to happen is the additional realization that it didn't need to be this way.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:46 pm

Well this seems like a bad idea:

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1296875997871120392

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1296875997871120392

Spoiler:

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:48 pm

Enough wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:46 pm Well this seems like a bad idea:[

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1296875997871120392

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1296875997871120392

Spoiler:
BREAKING: White House takes away FDA authority to regulate COVID tests. It’s August, de-regulating & politically meddling are not what FDA needs right now.

More soon. Follow if interested.

It also sounds illegal but what does the law matter anymore.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:05 pm

The only thing better than too much testing is deregulated testing. If they can't control the results, the administration can pollute the inputs.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:08 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:05 pm The only thing better than too much testing is deregulated testing. If they can't control the results, the administration can pollute the inputs.

Yep. Checks watch... We should have much better numbers just in time for the election!

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:10 pm

Smoove_B wrote:The only thing better than too much testing is deregulated testing. If they can't control the results, the administration can pollute the inputs.

What do you have against Acme Testing Kits. Acme...we're there for all your anti-road runner and antigen testing needs!

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:15 pm

Enough wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:08 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:05 pm The only thing better than too much testing is deregulated testing. If they can't control the results, the administration can pollute the inputs.

Yep. Checks watch... We should have much better numbers just in time for the election!

The numbers have clearly improved just since switching the datastream away from the CDC.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:17 pm

Alefroth wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:15 pm
Enough wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:08 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:05 pm The only thing better than too much testing is deregulated testing. If they can't control the results, the administration can pollute the inputs.

Yep. Checks watch... We should have much better numbers just in time for the election!
The numbers have clearly improved just since switching the datastream away from the CDC.

Just a coincidence!

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:18 pm

It's one of my conspiratorial indulgences.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:06 pm

Kiddo's preschool had a teacher test positive. Shut down for 2 weeks. Was nice while it lasted.

Wasn't one of his teachers so we aren't under quarantine orders.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:30 pm

This is from a conversation with my brother today who works at a college.

.I was just zooming with one of my students who was supposed to be doing research with me--he got horribly sick on Wed and is waiting on test results. I said why still no results, XXX has the rapid 15 min tests--he and his roommates went off campus for testing because XXX has told them (threatened?) they will be isolated in dorms and hotels away from everyone --apparently the hotel nearby is full of covid patients...point being, they didn't want to be isolated, so they are not telling XXX about their test/symptoms....I'm sure they are not the only ones doing this

So this is all working great...

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:24 pm

Sturgis update:

Coronavirus cases linked to the Sturgis motorcycle rally in South Dakota last week have now reached across state lines to Nebraska, public health officials said. At least seven Covid-19 cases in Nebraska's Panhandle region have been tied to the rally, Kim Engel, director of the Panhandle Public Health District, confirmed in an email to CNN. The department said that contact tracing had been completed, and it declined to comment further.

Additionally:

Minnesota also confirmed 15 cases of Covid-19 connected with the rally, according to Kris Ehresmann, director of the Minnesota Health Department Infectious Disease Division. Of those 15 cases, one person has been hospitalized. Health officials say they expect to see additional cases in the next few days, Ehresmann said.

South Dakota state health officials announced Thursday that a person who worked at a tattoo shop in Sturgis had tested positive for the virus and could have possibly exposed people during the event last week.

The person was an employee of Asylum Tattoo Sturgis and could have spread the virus to others on August 13-17 from 10 a.m. to 2 a.m., officials said.

emphasis added

Future generations will marvel.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:46 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:24 pm

Future generations will marvel.

We can hope they will have the opportunity.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:47 pm

The official Sturgis attendance tally was 462,182. If 2% of attendees were infected -- a very conservative estimate -- then there were 9,243 carriers there. With no masks or social distancing, how many people did each of them infect over several days? Maybe Smoove knows the R0; I think 2.5 is a reasonable estimate. I'll wager the number of new cases is in the tens of thousands.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:35 pm

stessier wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:30 pm This is from a conversation with my brother today who works at a college.

.I was just zooming with one of my students who was supposed to be doing research with me--he got horribly sick on Wed and is waiting on test results. I said why still no results, XXX has the rapid 15 min tests--he and his roommates went off campus for testing because XXX has told them (threatened?) they will be isolated in dorms and hotels away from everyone --apparently the hotel nearby is full of covid patients...point being, they didn't want to be isolated, so they are not telling XXX about their test/symptoms....I'm sure they are not the only ones doing this
So this is all working great...

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:43 am

Vaccination Resistance in Historical Perspective

The very first vaccine, which protected against smallpox, was developed in England in the late eighteenth century
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When, in the early nineteenth century, European nation states began making smallpox vaccination mandatory—for their armies, for the poor, or for the populace in general—societies of anti-vaccinationists formed to protest what they saw as unequal treatment and undue infringement of individual liberty. Antivaccinationism spread to the United States later that same century, largely via visitors and immigrants from Europe, and it has been with us ever since.

Anti-vaccinationism was relatively muted, however, when our modern era of vaccination got underway in the 1960s. In that decade, a series of new vaccines—to prevent polio, measles, mumps, and rubella—were developed in rapid succession. Just a few years before, the American public had greeted the first polio vaccine, released in 1954, with wild enthusiasm. Parents so dreaded polio that they were quick to seek the vaccine for their children, and coercive policies never became necessary. A few voices spoke out against the vaccine, but they got little traction in a nation overwhelmingly desperate to prevent the disease.

As the 1960s began, health officials assumed parents would greet new vaccines with the same enthusiasm they had shown for the first polio vaccine. But they were wrong. Families long accustomed to living with measles, for example, shrugged off the new vaccine against the disease. Middle-class parents tended to get it for their children if the family doctor recommended it, but not all doctors did. A chasm in infection rates opened up between lower-class families and middle- and upper-class families. And as health officials tried one promotional tactic after another without success, they ultimately returned to coercion, endorsing state policies that made the new vaccines a prerequisite for all children to enroll in school.

These trends signaled a new era of vaccination in the United States, one that was marked by four defining characteristics: the federal government assumed an increasingly prominent role in determining vaccination policy; vaccines increasingly targeted diseases that medical experts themselves considered "mild," transforming them into serious conditions in the process; vaccination campaigns aimed not just to reduce disease, but to eradicate it; and, finally, an increasing reliance on the vaccination of children, enforced through school vaccination laws, to ensure a society free of preventable infectious disease.
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The shift in the nation's vaccination agenda and approach coincided with an upsurge of social movements that encouraged Americans to question authority and traditional sources of expertise. Women pushed back against patriarchy. Environmentalists pushed back against industry. Patients pushed back against doctors. And as the vaccine schedule and its enforcement expanded, a growing number of parents informed by the social movements of the day pushed back against required vaccines.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:44 am

Enough wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:46 pm Well this seems like a bad idea:

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1296875997871120392

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1296875997871120392

Spoiler:
BREAKING: White House takes away FDA authority to regulate COVID tests. It’s August, de-regulating & politically meddling are not what FDA needs right now.

More soon. Follow if interested.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 63808?s=20

So Trump is just cutting the FDA out entirely because science is a Deep State conspiracy.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:12 am

This is impeachable and lawless. Full stop.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:20 am

Zarathud wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:12 am This is impeachable and lawless. Full stop.

What is so comical here is that the right answer is so easy and obvious. Everyone on planet earth knows that any bureaucracy such as the FDA has inefficiencies and red tape. Instead of just trying to green light *anything* in hopes that one of them is the miracle that your series of bad decisions requires, instead just use that leadership to empower the FDA to expedite their operation for a safe and effective COVID vaccine, using their expertise to cut through the bullshit and red tape that they know is there (more than anyone else).

How hard would that be? It even lets you take credit for their success.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:27 am

RunningMn9 wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:20 am
Zarathud wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:12 am This is impeachable and lawless. Full stop.
What is so comical here is that the right answer is so easy and obvious. Everyone on planet earth knows that any bureaucracy such as the FDA has inefficiencies and red tape. Instead of just trying to green light *anything* in hopes that one of them is the miracle that your series of bad decisions requires, instead just use that leadership to empower the FDA to expedite their operation for a safe and effective COVID vaccine, using their expertise to cut through the bullshit and red tape that they know is there (more than anyone else).

How hard would that be? It even lets you take credit for their success.

Give them some kind of expedited process, call it an emergency use...I don't know, authorization?

Spoiler:

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:49 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:46 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:24 pm

Future generations will marvel.
We can hope they will have the opportunity.

"This ain’t one body’s story. It’s the story of us all. We got it mouth-to-mouth, so you got to listen it and ‘member, ’cause what you hears today you got to tell the birthed tomorrow. I’m looking behind us now, across the count of time, down the long haul into history back. I sees the end what were the start. It’s Pox-Eclipse, full of pain! And out of it were birthed crackling dust and fearsome time. It were full-on winter, and Mr. Dead chasing them all.”