Trump vs. Biden - the Final Showdown

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:56 am

Skinypupy wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:37 am
Spoiler:
https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/ ... 7533066245

I'm honestly frightened by the idea that some people out there see her, and hear her, and don't recoil.

edit:: spoilered her image, cause - it's the top of a new page and I just can't.

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:10 pm

Unagi wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:56 am I'm honestly frightened by the idea that some people out there see her, and hear her, and don't recoil.

edit:: spoilered her image, cause - it's the top of a new page and I just can't.

Apparently she's Gov. Gavin Newsom's ex-wife...I had no idea.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:17 pm

gilraen wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:10 pm
Unagi wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:56 am I'm honestly frightened by the idea that some people out there see her, and hear her, and don't recoil.

edit:: spoilered her image, cause - it's the top of a new page and I just can't.
Apparently she's Gov. Gavin Newsom's ex-wife...I had no idea.

The New Kennedys

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:34 pm

YellowKing wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:59 am
raydude wrote:I received a survey/request for donation from the RNC a year ago. I decided to fill it out and selected the reasonable choice out of all the insane ones.
Yeah I wound up just tossing it in the garbage because I was afraid responding (even negatively) would put me on some kind of mass mailing list.

I got a donation solicitation from McSally (I live in WA). I sent it back with a fake Chinese $100 bill.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:18 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:37 am https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/ ... 7533066245

Now that gets the blood flowing and fills you with some of that good ol’ Sturm und Drang.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:51 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:22 am "If Biden were to he elected do you think he would continue running an international cannibalistic pedophile ring or would he be too old and tired to continue?"

FTFY

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:56 pm

raydude wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:37 am. I just got one that said I'm a member of the elite Republican circle.

Welcome to Qanon! Your tinfoil MAGA cap is in the mail, and your special bonus, Mark and Patricia McCloskey bobble heads!

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:56 pm

$iljanus wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:18 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:37 am https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/ ... 7533066245
Now that gets the blood flowing and fills you with some of that good ol’ Sturm und Drang.

"the best is yet to come!" (I hear John Lennon saying "It can't no worse.")

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:06 pm

I have no idea who she is (reality tv personality?) but she reminds me of an angrier, louder and uglier Sofia Vergara.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:16 pm

Guilfoyle studied at University of California, Davis and the University of San Francisco and was a prosecuting attorney in San Francisco and Los Angeles, California. She served as an Assistant District Attorney in San Francisco from 2000 to 2004. Guilfoyle married Democratic politician and future California Governor Gavin Newsom and was First Lady of San Francisco during Newsom's first two years as mayor of that city. A member of the Republican Party, she has since become the partner of Donald Trump Jr. since 2018.

She worked at Fox News from 2006 to 2018 and co-hosted The Five on the network.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:02 pm

All these Trump admin women have the same look - Melania-clones or dolled up Barbies. It doesn't surprise me that these shallow idiots like their women surface-level stereotype "pretty."

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:03 pm

$iljanus wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:18 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:37 am https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/ ... 7533066245
Now that gets the blood flowing and fills you with some of that good ol’ Sturm und Drang.

Do you know specifically what that piece is? Honestly asking for a friend.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:12 pm

Hilarious.

https://twitter.com/AymanM/status/1298340493491875842

BREAKING: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s decision to speak at the RNC tonight is now under investigation by the House.The subpanel on oversight informed the State Department today in a letter obtained by @NBCNews, after the committee obtained internal State Department legal guidance that explicitly prohibited Senate- confirmed presidential appointees from even attending political conventions. The subcommittee’s chairman, Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, says the speech is not only “highly unusual and likely unprecedented” but that “it appears that it may also be illegal.” Reporting per @JoshNBCNews

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:29 pm

It's far easier to never ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:36 pm

Even if it wasn't illegal - it is a massive smashing of norms. IIRC Colin Powell made a statement during the Bush years that it wasn't appropriate for Secretary of State to appear political. But we're living in a burgeoning fascist state and might as well embrace it, right?

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:39 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:06 pm I have no idea who she is (reality tv personality?) but she reminds me of an angrier, louder and uglier Sofia Vergara.

Morning Joe:

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:40 pm

Oooh, if this has the same repercussions as all other House investigations, Mike Pompeo is in for one heck of a finger wagging!

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:43 pm

YellowKing wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:40 pm Oooh, if this has the same repercussions as all other House investigations, Mike Pompeo is in for one heck of a finger wagging!

You've made this point a couple of times today. Wouldn't it be more of a failure to not do anything than do something you know will have no consequences. Personally, I prefer they continue to follow the rule of law even it it ultimately proves pointless.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:44 pm

YellowKing wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:02 pm All these Trump admin women have the same look - Melania-clones or dolled up Barbies. It doesn't surprise me that these shallow idiots like their women surface-level stereotype "pretty."

Fun fact: Kelly Guilfoyle is a year older than Melania.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:47 pm

Also, with the surely calculated barrage of "UNPRECEDENTED!!!!1!!(TM)" things this administration does, they know that some will slip through, because the House will have to choose their battles, as it were. Can't fight them all.

Just chip, chip chipping away at that wall.

We always joke about how stupid the Donald is, (I really don't think it's an act), but someone in the administration (or outside...*cough*PUTIN), if not him, is very smart, in a Machiavellian kind of way. I'm sure there are lots of possibilities other than these, or a combo, but I swing from thinking it's a monolithic, calculated and methodical push toward authoritarianism lite, or it really IS stupidity, but mostly "NO ONE tells me/us what to do!"....ism. 'We have ultimate power, and no one, not even Congress, can stop us.' So they do whatever the f they want, not caring a whit about precedent (and maybe even relishing stepping on it).

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:48 pm

Holman wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:44 pm
YellowKing wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:02 pm All these Trump admin women have the same look - Melania-clones or dolled up Barbies. It doesn't surprise me that these shallow idiots like their women surface-level stereotype "pretty."
Fun fact: Kelly Guilfoyle is a year older than Melania.

I'm sure Jr was sure to be deferential to his father.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:19 pm

Grab them by the penis.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:33 pm

Unagi wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:48 pm
Holman wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:44 pm
YellowKing wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:02 pm All these Trump admin women have the same look - Melania-clones or dolled up Barbies. It doesn't surprise me that these shallow idiots like their women surface-level stereotype "pretty."
Fun fact: Kelly Guilfoyle is a year older than Melania.
I'm sure Jr was sure to be deferential to his father.

Oh, and apparently Trump is older than his mother-in-law.

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:11 pm

Alefroth wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:43 pm
YellowKing wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:40 pm Oooh, if this has the same repercussions as all other House investigations, Mike Pompeo is in for one heck of a finger wagging!
You've made this point a couple of times today. Wouldn't it be more of a failure to not do anything than do something you know will have no consequences. Personally, I prefer they continue to follow the rule of law even it it ultimately proves pointless.

There is a downside to fighting battles you were doomed to lose from the start- you look weak and also you look like you make wrong choices. That undercuts any future efforts to take action. The Trump administration is chipping away precisely because they know they have people in control of critical parts of the government, the parts that would otherwise stop them from doing what they want. They aren't gambling and taking chances, they already know what the results will be. The more that they try to take down Trump or his people and fail, the harder it will be next time to try and stop him. The only way is to vote out not just him, but his support as well. The entire apparatus that made his Presidency possible needs to be dismantled or more Trumps will just pop up again like weeds growing in your garden.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:21 pm

Alefroth wrote:You've made this point a couple of times today. Wouldn't it be more of a failure to not do anything than do something you know will have no consequences. Personally, I prefer they continue to follow the rule of law even it it ultimately proves pointless.

I'm not saying don't investigate and don't hold hearings. I'm saying laws need to be changed (if necessary) to put some teeth behind oversight committees and investigations. It's a call to arms.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:52 pm

gameoverman wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:11 pm There is a downside to fighting battles you were doomed to lose from the start- you look weak and also you look like you make wrong choices. That undercuts any future efforts to take action.

That might be true for any number of things, but I don't think it applies to public service. If there are elected or appointed officials that are acting capriciously, with malfeasance and/or in any way against the oath of office they've taken, there should be 100% of the time an inquiry. When you don't THAT emboldens these shitheels and the line for what they can get away with is inched slowly away from the norms that have been established.

I'll pause here to give Mitch McConnell a giant FU.

It might seem inconsequential, but they answer to the public (best) or report to someone that answers to the public (not as great, but still noteworthy). If we don't collectively take action every damn time they openly violate policy and protocol it continues until we are collectively at a point where everyone is standing around saying, "how are they getting away with this? why isn't anyone doing anything?"

Hold public officials accountable. That's when things will change. As pointed out earlier, sometimes it's not about the the actual hearing or expecting there will be an immediate result. Sometimes it's about airing this in a public hearing so that the voting public can see what kind of bullshit someone is trying to pull.

I don't care if it's a local official or someone at the federal level. Hold them accountable!

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:03 pm

Alefroth wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:03 pm
$iljanus wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:18 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:37 am https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/ ... 7533066245
Now that gets the blood flowing and fills you with some of that good ol’ Sturm und Drang.
Do you know specifically what that piece is? Honestly asking for a friend.

I’d be curious too. It’s a catchy tune, perfect for occasions when tanks are going into Poland or Nazgul are flying towards Minas Tirith.

Edit: From Mother Jones

Kimberly Guilfoyle, a former Fox News host and current Trump campaign senior adviser, gave a bizarre, almost militaristically enthusiastic speech Monday night, the first night of the Republican National Convention. It was so deliriously pitched, intoned with such fervor, that it rivaled propaganda more commonly associated with state-run television. “President Trump believes in you. He emancipates and lifts you up to live your American Dream!” she boomed, capping a speech that seemed to make way more sense with ominous orchestral music in the background.

So that’s what our producer Mark Helenowski did: He scored it with North Korean propaganda music.

https://www.motherjones.com/2020-electi ... rth-korea/

If you want more, here’s an hour’s worth. Hope we don’t get on a watch list...

It kinda grows on you. Perhaps I’ll play it next time The Leader is speaking (Trump not Kim Jong-un)

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:08 pm

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:33 pm

$iljanus wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:03 pm If you want more, here’s an hour’s worth. Hope we don’t get on a watch list...

It kinda grows on you. Perhaps I’ll play it next time The Leader is speaking (Trump not Kim Jong-un)

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:38 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:37 am https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/ ... 7533066245

https://www.twitter.com/BriannaWu/statu ... 1998925824

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:18 pm

Ugh just tuned in to the GOP convention. Eric is speaking and I’m gonna switch back to the more light hearted show I was watching, Luther.

I can only take so much bullshit.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:15 pm

I watched Tiffany's speech out of morbid curiosity. It's really bizarre watching them project. I nearly spit out my drink when she went on a diatribe against people getting all their news from one source. Maybe it was some bit of brilliant subliminal reverse psychology, and she's still fighting this thing from a captive hostage standpoint. I want to believe.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:47 am

YellowKing wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:15 pm I watched Tiffany's speech out of morbid curiosity. It's really bizarre watching them project. I nearly spit out my drink when she went on a diatribe against people getting all their news from one source. Maybe it was some bit of brilliant subliminal reverse psychology, and she's still fighting this thing from a captive hostage standpoint. I want to believe.

OAN, Fox, and Russian Facebook Posts are three separate sources. She's in the clear.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:15 pm

https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/sta ... 8933700613

The NYT thinks birthers are undecided voters. It actually explains a lot about their coverage.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:39 pm

That's not really fair. This was someone who had previously ID'd as undecided. Checking back in with the person, it appears they are no longer undecided - they are leaning toward Trump because of stupid birther theories. If the first time the person had been interviewed they were spouting all kinds of birther theories and Trump propaganda, then it's reasonable to say that they weren't really undecided back then. This tweet doesn't present that picture though (and I admit I haven't read through to the story to see if there's more detail).

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:45 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:39 pm That's not really fair. This was someone who had previously ID'd as undecided. Checking back in with the person, it appears they are no longer undecided - they are leaning toward Trump because of stupid birther theories. If the first time the person had been interviewed they were spouting all kinds of birther theories and Trump propaganda, then it's reasonable to say that they weren't really undecided back then. This tweet doesn't present that picture though (and I admit I haven't read through to the story to see if there's more detail).

I disagree. It's a fair criticism. If someone tells you they buy birtherism now they were probably lying about being undecided in the past. There was no reason for him to turn around and Tweet this. He could have silently thrown away the garbage input. Not all data is worth reporting.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:57 pm

malchior wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:45 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:39 pm That's not really fair. This was someone who had previously ID'd as undecided. Checking back in with the person, it appears they are no longer undecided - they are leaning toward Trump because of stupid birther theories. If the first time the person had been interviewed they were spouting all kinds of birther theories and Trump propaganda, then it's reasonable to say that they weren't really undecided back then. This tweet doesn't present that picture though (and I admit I haven't read through to the story to see if there's more detail).
I disagree. It's a fair criticism. If someone tells you they buy birtherism now they were probably lying about being undecided in the past. There was no reason for him to turn around and Tweet this. He could have silently thrown away the garbage input. Not all data is worth reporting.

Agree that it's probably best left thrown out but Harris confirmed as VP is a new development. The person could well have been undecided. Though the fact that they still haven't decided on the veracity of the rumor tells me they either suck at the internets or are purposefully ignorant.

I still suspect for many, "undecided" usually just means "still searching for a somewhat socially acceptable excuse for going with Trump."

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:01 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:57 pm
malchior wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:45 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:39 pm That's not really fair. This was someone who had previously ID'd as undecided. Checking back in with the person, it appears they are no longer undecided - they are leaning toward Trump because of stupid birther theories. If the first time the person had been interviewed they were spouting all kinds of birther theories and Trump propaganda, then it's reasonable to say that they weren't really undecided back then. This tweet doesn't present that picture though (and I admit I haven't read through to the story to see if there's more detail).
I disagree. It's a fair criticism. If someone tells you they buy birtherism now they were probably lying about being undecided in the past. There was no reason for him to turn around and Tweet this. He could have silently thrown away the garbage input. Not all data is worth reporting.
Agree that it's probably best left thrown out but Harris confirmed as VP is a new development. The person could well have been undecided. Though the fact that they still haven't decided on the veracity of the rumor tells me they either suck at the internets or are purposefully ignorant.

Follow up with them sure. As soon as they said, we heard she isn't a citizen...he should have binned it. It's a garbage outlier. People don't suddenly dive into the birther bin out of nowhere. If he found masses of undecided people suddenly buying into birtherism...well that is indeed a story. At that point you may have accumulated the data to push the idea that folks pretending to be undecided finally feels like they can step into the sunlight. I doubt that was the case here.

I still suspect for many, "undecided" usually just means "still searching for a somewhat socially acceptable excuse for going with Trump."

Exactly.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:02 pm

malchior wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:45 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:39 pm That's not really fair. This was someone who had previously ID'd as undecided. Checking back in with the person, it appears they are no longer undecided - they are leaning toward Trump because of stupid birther theories. If the first time the person had been interviewed they were spouting all kinds of birther theories and Trump propaganda, then it's reasonable to say that they weren't really undecided back then. This tweet doesn't present that picture though (and I admit I haven't read through to the story to see if there's more detail).
I disagree. It's a fair criticism. If someone tells you they buy birtherism now they were probably lying about being undecided in the past.

Sure, but unless the reporter is a mind reader (or the person otherwise made it obvious), the person was rightly categorized as "undecided" at the time.

malchior wrote: There was no reason for him to turn around and Tweet this. He could have silently thrown away the garbage input. Not all data is worth reporting.

On the other hand, maybe it's good to get a wake up call that a lot of these supposed undecided voters were either being disingenuous in the first place or were merely waiting on a pretense to justify their turn back to Trump. Better than complacency that the election is in the bag for Biden.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:05 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:02 pmOn the other hand, maybe it's good to get a wake up call that a lot of these supposed undecided voters were either being disingenuous in the first place or were merely waiting on a pretense to justify their turn back to Trump. Better than complacency that the election is in the bag for Biden.

I'm with you *if* he has enough evidence.