Political Randomness

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:24 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:47 pm I mean, it's not like the Census is in the Constitution or anything. And even if it was, since when does that matter?

I keep saying this, but every day that passes I fantasize about clearing Trump administration cancer from D.C. with a flamethrower like MacReady in The Thing. These are not healthy thoughts.

I have dreams of lining every corrupt player in this administration up against a wall and giving them the 3rd world justice they deserve.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:33 pm

Jaymann wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:31 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:16 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:04 pm Dont worry...just more lawlessness.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realTuckFrum ... 6129409024
What is the rationale? It's what, 3 more weeks? Surely it can't be cost.
Limiting brown people.

I assume that's the goal but what is the cover story?

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:46 pm

gbasden wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:24 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:47 pm I mean, it's not like the Census is in the Constitution or anything. And even if it was, since when does that matter?

I keep saying this, but every day that passes I fantasize about clearing Trump administration cancer from D.C. with a flamethrower like MacReady in The Thing. These are not healthy thoughts.
I have dreams of lining every corrupt player in this administration up against a wall and giving them the 3rd world justice they deserve.

I'd prefer to aee Trump to live to suffer the ridicule and scorn he deserves and to see his family cast into post-riche hell.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:15 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:33 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:31 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:16 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:04 pm Dont worry...just more lawlessness.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realTuckFrum ... 6129409024
What is the rationale? It's what, 3 more weeks? Surely it can't be cost.
Limiting brown people.
I assume that's the goal but what is the cover story?

Cover story? You want to talk cover stories?!? Cover story?

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:40 pm

How is it every fuckwit in Washington can defy courts and their orders but we cant?

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:50 pm

Is there anything that prevents Biden from saying that the census was unreliable and ordering a re-do?

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:07 pm

Jaymann wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:15 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:33 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:31 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:16 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:04 pm Dont worry...just more lawlessness.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realTuckFrum ... 6129409024
What is the rationale? It's what, 3 more weeks? Surely it can't be cost.
Limiting brown people.
I assume that's the goal but what is the cover story?
Cover story? You want to talk cover stories?!? Cover story?

They are who we thought they were...and we let 'em off the hook!

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:59 am

Blackhawk wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:50 pm Is there anything that prevents Biden from saying that the census was unreliable and ordering a re-do?

Probably the cost of it. carpet_pissrs aren't cheap.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:30 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:07 pmThey are who we thought they were...and we let 'em off the hook!

This is the fundamental thing. What could/can "we" do differently to hold them accountable? We're in the middle of a collapsing system. I still strongly suspect Biden comes in and they don't do anything to these folks. Or it 'won't be illegal'. I hope I'm wrong.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:30 am

Yep. Especially when Carpet_pissrs have been getting overtime and weekend pay premiums and bonuses for the past month just to get it done bc we all assumed deadline was last Friday. I would love to know the total cost. Issie wanna do a FOIA request?

Also, the census already typically significantly undercounts (especially kids). People are let’s be charitable and say ‘reticent” enough when it’s every ten years. To go back to someone’s house for the xth time within let’s say a few months? That would be...disastrous (in terms of a count, and probably overall safety of the enumerators).

I will say procedures changed drastically the last 2 weeks bc we just weren’t going to finish on time. Corners cut, etc.

Edit: just got a memo which I won’t quote of course, but the gist is:
Bureau is complying with court order to end 9/24. Secretary announced we will end Oct 5.
Stay tuned! (For a shitshow/fireworks)

May be a bit of a power struggle going on at the top.

This is exactly the kind of subtle/not so subtle stuff that happens before huge government shifts in developing countries (and never for the better). Head of govt agencies defying courts, presidents defying courts, etc. something will break hard if we keep this up (or maybe it already has and this is the resulting typical behavior).

Such a fragile, wee thing, democracy.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:30 am

The Meal wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:59 am
Blackhawk wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:50 pm Is there anything that prevents Biden from saying that the census was unreliable and ordering a re-do?
Probably the cost of it. carpet_pissrs aren't cheap.

Sure, but this would at least give him a justifiable reason to do it.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:48 am

malchior wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:30 am
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:07 pmThey are who we thought they were...and we let 'em off the hook!
This is the fundamental thing. What could/can "we" do differently to hold them accountable? We're in the middle of a collapsing system. I still strongly suspect Biden comes in and they don't do anything to these folks. Or it 'won't be illegal'. I hope I'm wrong.

Just playing quote-a-coach with Jaymann. Somewhat but not 100% fitting to the subject.

Sadly, I think we have to let bygones be bygones, yet again. Too big to fail, too corrupt to nail, etc,.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:56 am

Working as intended:

Nearly 45 percent of households in Chicago’s Black wards have not submitted their counts as the U.S. Census draws to a close in this final week.

A Crusader analysis shows the self-response rate of the tens of thousands of households in Chicago’s Black wards, with the lowest numbers.

According to the latest Chicago ward reports, 175,877 out of 385,861 households in the city’s Black wards have not responded to the Census count. That’s a 54.5 percent overall response rate for Black wards.

Reports show that most households in seven Black wards did not self-report their Census counts with self-response rates below 50 percent as of September 21.

...

Together, Chicago’s 14 Hispanic wards had a self-response rate of 56.1 percent. Three have self-response rates below 50 percent and another three have self-response rates over 60 percent. No Hispanic ward had a self-response rate of 70 percent or higher.

...

Chicago’s white wards have the highest self-response rates in the city. Together, all 18 wards have a self-response rate of 66 percent. Individually, all white wards have a response rate over 50 percent and 16 have self-response rates of 60 percent. Five white wards have self-response rates of over 70 percent. The 19th Ward has a self-response rate of 76.2, the highest among all 50 Chicago wards.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:22 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:48 am
malchior wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:30 am
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:07 pmThey are who we thought they were...and we let 'em off the hook!
This is the fundamental thing. What could/can "we" do differently to hold them accountable? We're in the middle of a collapsing system. I still strongly suspect Biden comes in and they don't do anything to these folks. Or it 'won't be illegal'. I hope I'm wrong.
Just playing quote-a-coach with Jaymann. Somewhat but not 100% fitting to the subject.

Sadly, I think we have to let bygones be bygones, yet again. Too big to fail, too corrupt to nail, etc,.

Haha - oops on that. Snipped wrong! I agree and you have to wonder what it would take for Americans to finally snap. Apparently "we" just have to watch while the rich and wealthy break pieces of the nation off for themselves. It's insane to watch it happen because it's so obvious...

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:06 am

I don't see how there can possibly be undecided voters out there.
If you like or can tolerate Trump's actions and views how can you possibly want to vote for Biden?

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:09 am

dbt1949 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:06 amI don't see how there can possibly be undecided voters out there.

At this point these folks must be working overtime to keep their heads in the sand.

I can't fathom being an outside observer and actually looking back and forth between Trump and Biden and scratching my chin as to which is the better choice. They must be strictly voting based on pictures of the candidates with no other data included.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:57 am

Paingod wrote:
dbt1949 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:06 amI don't see how there can possibly be undecided voters out there.
At this point these folks must be working overtime to keep their heads in the sand.
.

Well, you’re half right. Lots and lots of people working overtime, two+ jobs, multiple gigs just to be able to pay rent, buy food etc.

All of us here have the luxury of time, at least enough to post on Internet forums, that we can read/listen and/or keep up with this stuff in real-time.

So many people do not bc they are working their asses off with no or very little downtime.

Not a jab, just the way it is. I know quite a few ppl in that category. It’s not a matter of disinterest, or intellectual laziness.

To be fair I also know people who claim to be uninterested in or downright hate politics, and really are clueless (or claim to be) about anything political beyond the most macro level. My SIL is one example. Doesn’t know, not interested in knowing. Also doesn’t work and has tons of time.

Those are the ppl IMO who are somewhat to blame for Trump getting elected. We all have a civic duty to be as involved as we can be in our country, even if that just means being an educated voter by listening and reading. The people that can do that, easily, and don’t, have in some ways fucked us all.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:09 am

Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:57 am
Not a jab, just the way it is. I know quite a few ppl in that category. It’s not a matter of disinterest, or intellectual laziness.

After 3.5 years - I actually think someone needs to have no interest to not understand what Trump is doing. Sorry. There are radios in cars while you drive to work, there are a million ways to get information quickly and on the fly.
There was a time where I mostly got my news from a radio I had in my shower, because I was indeed busy - but I had an interest, so I found a place to get informed where and when I could.

While you are certainly right that a lot of people are way more busy than we are, after 3.5 years of this shit - if you don't even know about this, it's because you don't care to.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:28 am

Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:57 am
Paingod wrote:
dbt1949 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:06 amI don't see how there can possibly be undecided voters out there.
At this point these folks must be working overtime to keep their heads in the sand.
.
Well, you’re half right. Lots and lots of people working overtime, two+ jobs, multiple gigs just to be able to pay rent, buy food etc.

All of us here have the luxury of time, at least enough to post on Internet forums, that we can read/listen and/or keep up with this stuff in real-time.

So many people do not bc they are working their asses off with no or very little downtime.

Not a jab, just the way it is. I know quite a few ppl in that category. It’s not a matter of disinterest, or intellectual laziness.

Agree with this.

It’s worth remembering that engagement with the issues is partly an issue of character but is also a luxury for people with the time and education and emotional bandwidth for it.

Our civilization manufactures cynicism and apathy and even despair on an industrial scale. I really don’t think half of potential voters are refusing the opportunity out of sheer perversity.

Also, this is what I think is actually more to blame for the Deplorables than the idea they somehow reviewed the issues and came to differing conclusions.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:43 am

Holman wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:28 am
It’s worth remembering that engagement with the issues is partly an issue of character but is also a luxury for people with the time and education and emotional bandwidth for it.

Hey, that's fine - but it's not about the luxury of 'time', IMO. There are too many ways, if you care about it, to get this information easily. That these people don't have the education, emotional bandwidth, or just simply 'the interest' is what's behind them not having an opinion.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:15 am

Unagi wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:43 am
Holman wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:28 am
It’s worth remembering that engagement with the issues is partly an issue of character but is also a luxury for people with the time and education and emotional bandwidth for it.
Hey, that's fine - but it's not about the luxury of 'time', IMO. There are too many ways, if you care about it, to get this information easily. That these people don't have the education, emotional bandwidth, or just simply 'the interest' is what's behind them not having an opinion.

I overheard Wife getting into it with one of her friends on a Zoom call (before the debate). This woman just isn't interested in politics and doesn't think it matters. Wife laid out why that's so wrong; friend was unmoved. One hopes that such people won't vote, since there's a 50/50 chance they'll do it wrong.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:27 am

Kraken wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:15 amOne hopes that such people won't vote, since there's a 50/50 chance they'll do it wrong.

Yeah. If you can' be bothered and work from a position of willful ignorance, please stay away from the voting booth this year. Statistically it may not matter as it might even out, but Trump probably has much better name recognition with them than Biden does. He was in Home Alone 2, even. What movies has Biden been in?

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:36 am

Paingod wrote:Trump probably has much better name recognition with them than Biden does. He was in Home Alone 2, even. What movies has Biden been in?

Rocky Horror Debate Show

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:48 am

I don't particularly care for Biden but at this stage I'd vote for anybody who isn't Trump.
Except for Bernie Sanders. If he was the Democratic runner I'd go third party.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:57 am

dbt1949 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:48 am I don't particularly care for Biden but at this stage I'd vote for anybody who isn't Trump.
Except for Bernie Sanders. If he was the Democratic runner I'd go third party.

I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice here. For me, he was tied with Klobuchar for second-to-last (Gabbard being last). But he's what we got, so I'm trying to feel at least a little bit of Joementum.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:58 pm

Paingod wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:09 am
dbt1949 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:06 amI don't see how there can possibly be undecided voters out there.
At this point these folks must be working overtime to keep their heads in the sand.

I think they like the attention or importance they get by claiming they are undecided, or just that it's edgy to say you're undecided.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:58 pm

Kraken wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:57 am
dbt1949 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:48 am I don't particularly care for Biden but at this stage I'd vote for anybody who isn't Trump.
Except for Bernie Sanders. If he was the Democratic runner I'd go third party.
I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice here. For me, he was tied with Klobuchar for second-to-last (Gabbard being last). But he's what we got, so I'm trying to feel at least a little bit of Joementum.

Biden's whole electoral purpose in this election is to act as the least common denominator among voters. Someone who's acceptable to substantially everyone, even if he's few people's first choice. As, you know, being acceptable to large numbers of voters is a significant asset in a popular election.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:15 pm

Kraken wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:15 am I overheard Wife getting into it with one of her friends on a Zoom call (before the debate). This woman just isn't interested in politics and doesn't think it matters. Wife laid out why that's so wrong; friend was unmoved. One hopes that such people won't vote, since there's a 50/50 chance they'll do it wrong.

While those people exist, I am finding that non vocal Trump support are beginning to blend in with this crowd. They used to be the "We can disagree about politics and still get along" and the "it's not polite to talk about politics" crowd, who think that civility to them and not being looked down of for voting support for institutionalized bigotry is important. They want to support bigotry (and it's clear when they let little things slip often ignorant immigrant illegal usage of x or criticizing y as just being lazy) but they don't want to be associated with the people who openly support it. I don't know if that is across the country but it's across my small piece of it.

If I'm wrong, you'll be hearing a lot of people asking what the Proud Boys are and shocked that FuckO asked them to stand back and stand by when he was asked to denounce them.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:27 pm

Kraken wrote:
dbt1949 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:48 am I don't particularly care for Biden but at this stage I'd vote for anybody who isn't Trump.
Except for Bernie Sanders. If he was the Democratic runner I'd go third party.
I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice here.

I would have been at least enthusiastic about and voted for him at any point in the last 5 or 6 elections except when Obama ran. I legitimately like him and think he would make a fantastic president, even ignoring the black and white choice we have before us in November.

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:13 pm

5 or 6 elections ago his mind would have been better. Anybody over 70 has problems remembering.
Oops! Where did I leave the nuclear codes list.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:14 pm

Holman wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:28 amAgree with this.

It’s worth remembering that engagement with the issues is partly an issue of character but is also a luxury for people with the time and education and emotional bandwidth for it.

Our civilization manufactures cynicism and apathy and even despair on an industrial scale. I really don’t think half of potential voters are refusing the opportunity out of sheer perversity.

I couldn't agree more. They are too distracted by information overload in their main channels to have time to change into this extremely negative space to focus on parsing out the signal from the noise. That is why the monsters are thriving. They want people to be checked out.

Also, this is what I think is actually more to blame for the Deplorables than the idea they somehow reviewed the issues and came to differing conclusions.

They have a different trust network and the people at heart of that network are those monsters from above. They have some severe issues too like endemic racism ground into the bones of some of the deplorables but there are just plenty of working class folks who have been beaten down by this system. That they got aligned to the embodiment of the worst excesses of the system is legendary irony.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:43 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:27 pm
Kraken wrote:
dbt1949 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:48 am I don't particularly care for Biden but at this stage I'd vote for anybody who isn't Trump.
Except for Bernie Sanders. If he was the Democratic runner I'd go third party.
I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice here.
I would have been at least enthusiastic about and voted for him at any point in the last 5 or 6 elections except when Obama ran. I legitimately like him and think he would make a fantastic president, even ignoring the black and white choice we have before us in November.

I'll accept him. I'm not enthusiastic about it but I'll accept it.

I will say this, he's answering a call to his country as sure as any past candidate, if not more so. He's way too old for this. I don't mean he's too old to do the job, I mean he shouldn't have to do this shit. It's going to shorten his life significantly and he's not too old to enjoy the next 4 years with his family, were he not (hopefully) president. He's going to sacrifice a lot if he wins and he knows it as well as anyone. I'll give him that.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:46 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:43 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:27 pm
Kraken wrote:
dbt1949 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:48 am I don't particularly care for Biden but at this stage I'd vote for anybody who isn't Trump.
Except for Bernie Sanders. If he was the Democratic runner I'd go third party.
I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice here.
I would have been at least enthusiastic about and voted for him at any point in the last 5 or 6 elections except when Obama ran. I legitimately like him and think he would make a fantastic president, even ignoring the black and white choice we have before us in November.
I'll accept him. I'm not enthusiastic about it but I'll accept it.

I will say this, he's answering a call to his country as sure as any past candidate, if not more so. He's way too old for this. I don't mean he's too old to do the job, I mean he shouldn't have to do this shit. It's going to shorten his life significantly and he's not to old to enjoy the next 4 years with his family, were he not (hopefully) president. He's going to sacrifice a lot if he wins and he knows it as well as anyone. I'll give him that.

+1. I hadn't really considered that angle. He certainly isn't going to get anything out of it personally.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:55 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:43 pm I will say this, he's answering a call to his country

That's his single most redeeming quality and possibly the only one to get any level of excitement from me, while it does earn my utmost reverence. I think if he wanted to run, he would have run 2016 and Hillary would have had to sit and stew. He was done and it was time be closer to his family with whom he was crushed by not spending enough time. Clearly his party believe he is the choice and he was willing to accept that mantle and is now trying to do so with pride and honor and the sort of patriotism I remember that doesn't inspire me with derision.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:10 pm

With his VP pick, he's also set the country up to be led by the anti-Trump should he (God forbid) die in office or otherwise be incapacitated. Nobody knows Biden's old more than Biden himself.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:18 pm

YellowKing wrote:With his VP pick, he's also set the country up to be led by the anti-Trump should he (God forbid) die in office or otherwise be incapacitated. Nobody knows Biden's old more than Biden himself.

That's one of the reasons why I'll be turning in to the VP debate. That and wanting to see Pence's ass kicked by a woman. Hopefully he'll do some mansplaining on stage and get what he deserves. I'm sure after the debate Trump will call Harris, "nasty"

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:05 pm

$iljanus wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:18 pm
YellowKing wrote:With his VP pick, he's also set the country up to be led by the anti-Trump should he (God forbid) die in office or otherwise be incapacitated. Nobody knows Biden's old more than Biden himself.
That's one of the reasons why I'll be turning in to the VP debate. That and wanting to see Pence's ass kicked by a woman. Hopefully he'll do some mansplaining on stage and get what he deserves. I'm sure after the debate Trump will call Harris, "nasty"

After?

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:37 pm

Alefroth wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:05 pm
$iljanus wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:18 pm
YellowKing wrote:With his VP pick, he's also set the country up to be led by the anti-Trump should he (God forbid) die in office or otherwise be incapacitated. Nobody knows Biden's old more than Biden himself.
That's one of the reasons why I'll be turning in to the VP debate. That and wanting to see Pence's ass kicked by a woman. Hopefully he'll do some mansplaining on stage and get what he deserves. I'm sure after the debate Trump will call Harris, "nasty"
After?

“...will call Harris “nasty” again”

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:39 am

LawBeefaroni wrote:
Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:27 pm
Kraken wrote:
dbt1949 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:48 am I don't particularly care for Biden but at this stage I'd vote for anybody who isn't Trump.
Except for Bernie Sanders. If he was the Democratic runner I'd go third party.
I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice here.
I would have been at least enthusiastic about and voted for him at any point in the last 5 or 6 elections except when Obama ran. I legitimately like him and think he would make a fantastic president, even ignoring the black and white choice we have before us in November.
I'll accept him. I'm not enthusiastic about it but I'll accept it.

I will say this, he's answering a call to his country as sure as any past candidate, if not more so. He's way too old for this. I don't mean he's too old to do the job, I mean he shouldn't have to do this shit. It's going to shorten his life significantly and he's not too old to enjoy the next 4 years with his family, were he not (hopefully) president. He's going to sacrifice a lot if he wins and he knows it as well as anyone. I'll give him that.

Very well said, my thoughts exactly. And I meant to add in my post that I DO think he’s too old for this shit, now. Amazing how much he’s aged in just 4 years.

Really too bad he didn’t get a shot (take a shot?) at President before now considering how well respected he seems to be within the party.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:15 am

Carpet_pissr wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:39 am
LawBeefaroni wrote:
Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:27 pm
Kraken wrote:
dbt1949 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:48 am I don't particularly care for Biden but at this stage I'd vote for anybody who isn't Trump.
Except for Bernie Sanders. If he was the Democratic runner I'd go third party.
I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice here.
I would have been at least enthusiastic about and voted for him at any point in the last 5 or 6 elections except when Obama ran. I legitimately like him and think he would make a fantastic president, even ignoring the black and white choice we have before us in November.
I'll accept him. I'm not enthusiastic about it but I'll accept it.

I will say this, he's answering a call to his country as sure as any past candidate, if not more so. He's way too old for this. I don't mean he's too old to do the job, I mean he shouldn't have to do this shit. It's going to shorten his life significantly and he's not too old to enjoy the next 4 years with his family, were he not (hopefully) president. He's going to sacrifice a lot if he wins and he knows it as well as anyone. I'll give him that.
Very well said, my thoughts exactly. And I meant to add in my post that I DO think he’s too old for this shit, now. Amazing how much he’s aged in just 4 years.

Really too bad he didn’t get a shot (take a shot?) at President before now considering how well respected he seems to be within the party.

Biden has two qualities that make me enthusiastic about him. First, he's smart enough to know that he's impaired to some level by his age and will surround himself with smart, talented people, and will trust them. Secondly, he's a profoundly good, empathetic person from all accounts. That buys a lot of respect from me. Having a president that will not gleefully hurt people is a low bar, but a super important one right now.