A man in the United States has caught Covid twice, with the second infection becoming far more dangerous than the first, doctors report.
Scientists say the patient caught coronavirus twice, rather than the original infection becoming dormant and then bouncing back. A comparison of the genetic codes of the virus taken during each bout of symptoms showed they were too distinct to be caused by the same infection.
"Our findings signal that a previous infection may not necessarily protect against future infection," said Dr Mark Pandori, from the University of Nevada.
Reports in Hong Kong, Belgium and the Netherlands said they were no more serious than the first. One in Ecuador mirrored the US case in being more severe, but did not need hospital treatment.
However, it is still early into the pandemic, and the history of other types of coronavirus means protection is expected to wane.
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So new COVID is like old COVID. Roll the dice, motherpucker, and keep your fingers crossed for asymptomatic carrier.
It's not great news, regardless. I'm glad there doesn't seem to be an overwhelming data stream of re-infections and we're still discussing a few points of data in comparison to the whole.
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Regarding the COVID reinfections - all the scientists I follow are saying not to panic, mainly because it seems to be really, really rare. It might be something to worry about in the future - long after we've handled things domestically (and internationally), but it's not something to spend a lot of your mental bandwidth on right now.
Apparently there have been rare cases of chickenpox reinfection too. Even if immunity is on the 'high end' of possibilities, there will still likely be at least a handful of cases of people getting it more than once. So while this Nevada case isn't a great sign, it's consistent with getting significant immunity from infection.
A few more positives among friends in the neighborhood. That slight cringe when I was hearing about the trips to Wisconsin/Indiana/Michigan lake houses? Not so irrational.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:44 pm
A few more positives among friends in the neighborhood. That slight cringe when I was hearing about the trips to Wisconsin/Indiana/Michigan lake houses? Not so irrational.
I'm seeing a ton of out of state license plates. Many from deep south east and west coast. Is that people driving instead of flying? Why are they coming here? Stay out. On commute, all I can think of "if you have been to that state in the last 14 days you may not enter the office." But that doesn't mean anything if they are cohabitating with people who haven't been to that state in the last 14 days.
I see posts where old people are still doing bus tours. "Here we are on the bus to so n so to see the sights" and a pic of a full bus of old folks some wearing masks. But its ok because they say it has AC and stop every 6 hours to get out.
All I see in posts like that is old corpses.
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gbasden wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:09 am
It seems like most of these arguments are exactly like gun control. Every other civilized nation has come up with methods to limit gun deaths, but we look around at all of the irrational people and conclude that nothing can be done, so fuck it. These people are essentially saying that our populous and government are incapable of responding to a pandemic in a reasonable way, so we might as well lump our deaths and get on with it. I disagree with your criticism of Europe - it looks like they have things much better under control than we do.
The situation in Europe is definitely not looking good right now. One difference is that many of the European countries are responding to the surge in cases by reimposing restrictions to cut down on transmission. I thought this was an interesting piece of data.
Of more than 200 new regional clusters, Rousseau said about 40% emerged from schools and universities, 26% from workplaces and 10% from private gatherings. The region’s residents should return to home working as much as possible, he said.
That matches up to some of what we are seeing here, with large clusters occurring at Universities.
Concerns over the combination of overstretched and underfunded health systems and the existing load of infectious and non-infectious diseases often led to it being talked about in apocalyptic terms.
However, it has not turned out quite that way. On September 29th, the world passed the one million reported deaths mark (the true figure will of course be higher). On the same day, the count for Africa was a cumulative total of 35,954.
Africa accounts for 17% of the global population but only 3.5% of the reported global COVID-19 deaths. All deaths are important, we should not discount apparently low numbers, and of course data collected over such a wide range of countries will be of variable quality, but the gap between predictions and what has actually happened is staggering. There has been much discussion on what accounts for this.
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Administrators at Brigham Young University's campus say they are "deeply troubled" by reports that students may have intentionally tried to contract COVID-19, lured by blood donation centers that are paying a premium for plasma with COVID-19 antibodies
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I hope they laugh and hug and kiss and spit on each other for the entire rally.
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I hope they laugh and hug and kiss and spit on each other for the entire rally.
I get the sentiment, but keep in mind that these people will not be quarantined with each other for the next two weeks. They'll go out into the community and, if they are infected, potentially spread that infection to people who were smart enough to stay away. I have relatives in Des Moines (my mom grew up in Iowa), and some of them are high risk. We shouldn't be hoping that people get the virus, even if they're idiots who don't follow expert advice on how to avoid the virus.
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Michelle just heard back today. She's being offered a job at the local hospital. Fun time for such an endeavor.
Congratudolences?
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Isgrimnur wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:07 pm
When you cut your teeth on hemorrhagic fevers, a little respiratory virus is nothing.
Related, I would imagine Africans have a more aggressive eosinophyll response, or perhaps higher baseline levels of those immune cells due to the greater frequency of parasitic diseases there. Low eosinophylls bad in Covid. Data is still out regarding higher levels being consequential, though.
I hope they laugh and hug and kiss and spit on each other for the entire rally.
I get the sentiment, but keep in mind that these people will not be quarantined with each other for the next two weeks. They'll go out into the community and, if they are infected, potentially spread that infection to people who were smart enough to stay away. I have relatives in Des Moines (my mom grew up in Iowa), and some of them are high risk. We shouldn't be hoping that people get the virus, even if they're idiots who don't follow expert advice on how to avoid the virus.
I try to imagine them as the idiots to which my parents still willingly maintain physical proximity. It allows me empathy to a certain degree... To a certain degree. I'm ashamed to admit the schadenfreude of seeing it course through the White House and for the thoughts I had about its potential future.
Isgrimnur wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:07 pm
When you cut your teeth on hemorrhagic fevers, a little respiratory virus is nothing.
Related, I would imagine Africans have a more aggressive eosinophyll response, or perhaps higher baseline levels of those immune cells due to the greater frequency of parasitic diseases there. Low eosinophylls bad in Covid. Data is still out regarding higher levels being consequential, though.
Glad I got off the Fasenra (not that it did anything for me).
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Well, I'm convinced. If Trump thinks the Barrington folks are onto something, then they almost certainly aren't.
The White House has embraced a declaration by a group of scientists arguing that authorities should allow the coronavirus to spread among young healthy people while protecting the elderly and the vulnerable — an approach that would rely on arriving at “herd immunity” through infections rather than a vaccine.
More seriously, while the scientists behind the Barrington Declaration do appear to be legit, they also appear to be in the supreme minority, at least for now. Let the science roll on.
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pr0ner wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:14 pm
Amash has a point here. Why are Covid stimulus negotiations still between Pelosi and Mnuchin and not between Democrats and Republicans in the House?
I disagree. The problem isn't in the house. And this is playing into the GOP messaging game. The problem is in the Senate. McConnell can't get a majority of the majority on board with any proposal. That's it. Everything else is posture theater. Mnuchin is essentially a cut out in the dysfunctional game where Mnuchin influences Trump who bashes his head on a McConnell *who does not give a fuck* about stimulus.
pr0ner wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:14 pm
Amash has a point here. Why are Covid stimulus negotiations still between Pelosi and Mnuchin and not between Democrats and Republicans in the House?
LordMortis wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 pmI agree with the premise. I'm no sure the conclusion follows. I am willing to hear Amash out on why it follows though. He's earned that much from me.
The premise is wrong though. Could the Democrats negotiate with the Republicans in the House? Sure but there is no reason to. They don't need the House GOP *at all*. They can pass something right now on their own and the House GOP don't speak for the Senate or the President. The problem is what can get passed in the Senate and signed by Trump. More so, Amash is an outsider. He has no idea what is going on and chipping in cheap shots. In other words, I beg people to not buy into this type of theater.
LordMortis wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 pmI agree with the premise. I'm no sure the conclusion follows. I am willing to hear Amash out on why it follows though. He's earned that much from me.
The premise is wrong though. Could the Democrats negotiate with the Republicans in the House? Sure but there is no reason to. They don't need the House GOP *at all*. They can pass something right now on their own and the House GOP don't speak for the Senate or the President. The problem is what can get passed in the Senate and signed by Trump. More so, Amash is an outsider. He has no idea what is going on and chipping in cheap shots. In other words, I beg people to not buy into this type of theater.
I don't consider the points Amash has consistently made about how the House works these days to be theater, but you can certainly hold whatever opinion you want about his remarks.
LordMortis wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 pmI agree with the premise. I'm no sure the conclusion follows. I am willing to hear Amash out on why it follows though. He's earned that much from me.
The premise is wrong though. Could the Democrats negotiate with the Republicans in the House? Sure but there is no reason to. They don't need the House GOP *at all*. They can pass something right now on their own and the House GOP don't speak for the Senate or the President. The problem is what can get passed in the Senate and signed by Trump. More so, Amash is an outsider. He has no idea what is going on and chipping in cheap shots. In other words, I beg people to not buy into this type of theater.
I don't consider the points Amash has consistently made about how the House works these days to be theater, but you can certainly hold whatever opinion you want about his remarks.
Everyone these days with their appeals to authority. Like I said he is an outsider. He doesn't know what is happening. He is not included. His views on how to get this done are irrelevant. His views on the macroscopic breakdown in the chamber I agree with. However on this he is wrong. Anyway, I invite you to actually address my points. To distill it, does negotiating with the Republicans in the House do *anything* to get stimulus pushed forward?
LordMortis wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 pmI agree with the premise. I'm no sure the conclusion follows. I am willing to hear Amash out on why it follows though. He's earned that much from me.
The premise is wrong though. Could the Democrats negotiate with the Republicans in the House? Sure but there is no reason to. They don't need the House GOP *at all*. They can pass something right now on their own and the House GOP don't speak for the Senate or the President. The problem is what can get passed in the Senate and signed by Trump. More so, Amash is an outsider. He has no idea what is going on and chipping in cheap shots. In other words, I beg people to not buy into this type of theater.
I don't consider the points Amash has consistently made about how the House works these days to be theater, but you can certainly hold whatever opinion you want about his remarks.
Everyone these days with their appeals to authority. Like I said he is an outsider. He doesn't know what is happening. He is not included. His views on how to get this done are irrelevant. His views on the macroscopic breakdown in the chamber I agree with. However on this he is wrong. Anyway, I invite you to actually address my points. Does negotiating with the Republicans in the House do *anything* to get stimulus pushed forward?
The current way, which is the Democrats ramming through the Heroes Act which Mitch McConnell then simply ignores, isn't working. So maybe some kind of true bipartisan legislation would. But we'll never know.
pr0ner wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:46 pmSo maybe some kind of true bipartisan legislation would. But we'll never know.
Well, if nothing else, the last 8+ years have been defined by the rigorous bipartisan efforts happening in Congress, championed by the GOP.
The answer is to punt this to Mitch "where bills go to die" McConnell and have him explain every goddamn day why he isn't voting on it. Every. Day.
Yup, I assume that Pelosi *is* negotiating with McConnell as well as Mnuchin, to the extent that McConnell is willing to negotiate. I'm not sure why Pelosi would want to include the GOP House minority as another party to be satisfied, especially when their concerns and objections are going to be significantly derivative of the Senate's.
I think Democrats should include the House Republicans both for optics and that it might be another piece of leverage to pushing McConnell.
But I would put them in the bottom rung of importance, and not go down any rabbit holds (see Obama's attempts to try to get bipartisan support for the ACA and the massive waste of time it was).
(I wonder if maybe this move is designed to hurt House Republicans? Force them to vote against the Democrats plan and then point to their votes and say they were against any stimulus?)
Fire all the evil old coots in the entire Capital and replace them with a bunch of young morons. DC will never change no matter what you do. The founding fathers would be so ashamed.
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pr0ner wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:46 pmSo maybe some kind of true bipartisan legislation would. But we'll never know.
Well, if nothing else, the last 8+ years have been defined by the rigorous bipartisan efforts happening in Congress, championed by the GOP.
The answer is to punt this to Mitch "where bills go to die" McConnell and have him explain every goddamn day why he isn't voting on it. Every. Day.
I agree.
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In a paradoxical twist, New Jersey’s latest increase in COVID-19 cases means the state would qualify for its own coronavirus travel advisory if the calculations were run with Wednesday’s update of 953 new cases across the state.
El Guapo wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:02 pmYup, I assume that Pelosi *is* negotiating with McConnell as well as Mnuchin, to the extent that McConnell is willing to negotiate. I'm not sure why Pelosi would want to include the GOP House minority as another party to be satisfied, especially when their concerns and objections are going to be significantly derivative of the Senate's.
Exactly. The way I see it is McConnell is in political "looting mode". For emphasis, he gives absolute zero fucks about stimulus. No fucks at all. Stimulus doesn't interest him since he doesn't give a fuck about it. Why?
The reality is he knows the GOP is at great risk of losing control of the Senate. He also knows that passing a stimulus bill this late won't likely help. It probably wouldn't of helped him in July or August either. The diehards in his caucus have been consistently against it. It is well-documented.The GOP in the Senate were split on it in late July and things haven't changed since then. So living in that reality, all McConnell could do that aligned his interests was pipeline in more judges and try to save his majority. That is all he cares about. And with the latter tenuous at best, and seeing his ultimate prize in front of him he has nothing but eyes for that seat.
Soooo...the idea that he cares how the bill was passed in the House. It is just doesn't square with reality. In any case, why would Pelosi commit to a messy slap flight with the House Republicans who are to put it mildly more radical than the Senate is. It's borderline pointless and once she engages it could be like Iraq. It is a quagmire waiting to happen. And as you said derivative to the Senate concerns which *are actually all that matters here*. All to maybe get a bill that'll get fuck all interest from McConnell. Let's be clear. As usual the problem is *McConnell*. Anyone pointing at Pelosi and hoping she satisfies their fetish for normal order when normal order is the travesty happening in the Senate Judiciary Committee is ignoring that they are overlooking all the dysfunction.
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It'd be crazy for McConnell to agree to a stimulus bill at this point anyway. It's too late for any stimulus bill to help the economy in advance of the election, so all he'd be getting is maybe some positive press for a day or two, and there's a decent chance that the stimulus would wind up helping Biden and a Democratic majority in 2021 instead.
