Corona Virus: It's a Marathon, Not a Sprint

[malchior]

This is what we are up against. The idea that there is some return to normal process ignores that this is how they strategize and how they promote dysfunction. This is why Pelosi isn't negotiating with the House Republicans. And this is why Amash or Andrew Yang or Ro Khanna are dead wrong on this one.

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/statu ... 0361731075

[LordMortis]

I agree with the premise. I'm no sure the conclusion follows. I am willing to hear Amash out on why it follows though. He's earned that much from me.

The premise is wrong though. Could the Democrats negotiate with the Republicans in the House? Sure but there is no reason to. They don't need the House GOP *at all*. They can pass something right now on their own and the House GOP don't speak for the Senate or the President. The problem is what can get passed in the Senate and signed by Trump. More so, Amash is an outsider. He has no idea what is going on and chipping in cheap shots. In other words, I beg people to not buy into this type of theater.

I don't get how any of that shows the premise is wrong.

This is not legislating. Speaker Pelosi continues to use Steven Mnuchin as a stand-in for the U.S. House of Representatives.

It's all over the news today. Take your pick.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-polic ... -continue/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/14/coronav ... -bill.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5210 ... s-for-deal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pelosi-mnu ... 1602693608

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-polic ... -continue/

Theatre for who? He's called out POTUS. He got drummed out of the party so hard by the billionaires who thought he was performing theatre for their benefit that one of not only cut funding but declared himself GOP nominee and was forced to resign his seat on the oversight committee. I have a very long list of things he and I will never see eye to eye on but unlike Rand Paul and the Freedom Caucus, I see no theater from Amash.


You're reading more and more like Rip of the left.

[RunningMn9]

You can’t negotiate in good faith with people that are negotiating in bad faith. The House GOP are non-entities and a waste of time. Negotiating with them will only weaken your position (SEE: Affordable Care Act).

Then we have the folks asking why Pelosi doesn’t just take what Mnuchin is offering? Because you don’t negotiate with people by simply adopting their negotiating position. That’s called losing a negotiation.

There’s no third stimulus. There’s no giving Mnuchin what he wants now and then fixing it later. If it needs to be Mnuchin + stuff now, then that’s what it has to be.

[Smoove_B]

Just for the record, 15 public health organizations have officially condemned The Great Barriangton charade Declaration.

If followed, the recommendations in the Great Barrington Declaration would haphazardly and unnecessarily sacrifices lives. The declaration is not a strategy, it is a political statement. It ignores sound public health expertise. It preys on a frustrated populace. Instead of selling false hope that will predictably backfire, we must focus on how to manage this pandemic in a safe, responsible, and equitable way.

...

Public health guidance and requirements related to masking and physical distancing are not an impediment to normalcy – they are the path to a new normal. The goal is both public health safety and economic security; the two are not in conflict with one another, they are dependent on each other. We need to focus our efforts on the development and implementation of a national, science-based and ethical pandemic disease-control strategy.

The pandemic has created serious hardships on families’ economic security and on Americans’ mental health and well-being. What we need is a coordinated and robust national response including mask use, hand hygiene and physical distancing, while also ensuring social supports for those most vulnerable, including physical and mental health, and social factors. What we do not need is wrong-headed proposals masquerading as science.

EDIT: And The Lancet has just chimed in as well:

https://twitter.com/TheLancet/status/13 ... 4415779840

NEW Correspondence—80+ researchers warn that a so-called #herdimmunity approach to managing #COVID19 is “a dangerous fallacy unsupported by the scientific evidence”

Read more here, so you too can know something.

[YellowKing]

Damn, Governor Cooper came out firing in his debate opening statement. He explained the reason the debate was behind plexiglass was because Forest had just attended a rally with no masks and no social distancing, and was a reckless act that endangered everyone in the room. Forest had no rebuttal.

Forest is a vehement anti-masker who sued Cooper over his mask mandate. He is a fucking slimeball.

[malchior]

I agree with the premise. I'm no sure the conclusion follows. I am willing to hear Amash out on why it follows though. He's earned that much from me.

The premise is wrong though. Could the Democrats negotiate with the Republicans in the House? Sure but there is no reason to. They don't need the House GOP *at all*. They can pass something right now on their own and the House GOP don't speak for the Senate or the President. The problem is what can get passed in the Senate and signed by Trump. More so, Amash is an outsider. He has no idea what is going on and chipping in cheap shots. In other words, I beg people to not buy into this type of theater.

I don't get how any of that shows the premise is wrong.

Then you are only skimming along the surface of what is going on.

It's all over the news today. Take your pick.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-polic ... -continue/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/14/coronav ... -bill.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5210 ... s-for-deal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pelosi-mnu ... 1602693608

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-polic ... -continue/

What am I to do with these links? None of this refutes my point at all.

Theatre for who? He's called out POTUS. He got drummed out of the party so hard by the billionaires who thought he was performing theatre for their benefit that one of not only cut funding but declared himself GOP nominee and was forced to resign his seat on the oversight committee.

I know all that. It is completely irrelevant to the fact that in this specific case he is completely wrong.

I have a very long list of things he and I will never see eye to eye on but unlike Rand Paul and the Freedom Caucus, I see no theater from Amash.

You are misunderstanding. He isn't the show master. He is falling for the theater. And so are you if you are following his lead on this. The show is the chorus of very serious people saying that only if the Democrats returned to normal order things would return to normal. It's insane at this point. What do the Republicans have to do for this stupid storyline to die?

You're reading more and more like Rip of the left.

The big problem with that is I am not actually a liberal. I actually am not a fan of the Democrats -- I think I've made that pretty clear over time. I don't agree with many of their positions. I however think they are the only sane politicians we have so you make do. And if you think I'm off base then go read the Greg Sargent piece because that was exactly what I was talking about.

That people listen to the well-intentioned Amash on this is understandable. I get that people want to find principled people amongst this. There are so few. He is but that doesn't mean he isn't wrong when he blasts Pelosi for not negotiating with the House Republicans.

You can’t negotiate in good faith with people that are negotiating in bad faith. The House GOP are non-entities and a waste of time. Negotiating with them will only weaken your position (SEE: Affordable Care Act).

Then we have the folks asking why Pelosi doesn’t just take what Mnuchin is offering? Because you don’t negotiate with people by simply adopting their negotiating position. That’s called losing a negotiation.

There’s no third stimulus. There’s no giving Mnuchin what he wants now and then fixing it later. If it needs to be Mnuchin + stuff now, then that’s what it has to be.

Exactly. It's also crazy to note that Mnuchin is standing in for Trump because Pelosi and Trump won't even talk to each other now. That is where we are dysfunction wise. And Mnuchin is basically in an impossible position of negotiating as a cut out with a team in the GOP Senate who have no interest in governance. Maybe a miracle happens but putting the blame on Pelosi is pants on heads crazy.

[Little Raven]

Read more here, so you too can know something.

Thank you, Smoove. You have consistently been the shining star of this thread.

[malchior]

NY Times

What a surprise. The wealthy got a tip off about the impact of the virus while he lied to the people. The corruption is bottomless.

On the afternoon of Feb. 24, President Trump declared on Twitter that the coronavirus was “very much under control” in the United States, one of numerous rosy statements that he and his advisers made at the time about the worsening epidemic. He even added an observation for investors: “Stock market starting to look very good to me!”

But hours earlier, senior members of the president’s economic team, privately addressing board members of the conservative Hoover Institution, were less confident. Tomas J. Philipson, a senior economic adviser to the president, told the group he could not yet estimate the effects of the virus on the American economy. To some in the group, the implication was that an outbreak could prove worse than Mr. Philipson and other Trump administration advisers were signaling in public at the time.

...

The consultant’s assessment quickly spread through parts of the investment world. U.S. stocks were already spiraling because of a warning from a federal public health official that the virus was likely to spread, but traders spotted the immediate significance: The president’s aides appeared to be giving wealthy party donors an early warning of a potentially impactful contagion at a time when Mr. Trump was publicly insisting that the threat was nonexistent.

Interviews with eight people who either received copies of the memo or were briefed on aspects of it as it spread among investors in New York and elsewhere provide a glimpse of how elite traders had access to information from the administration that helped them gain financial advantage during a chaotic three days when global markets were teetering.

The memo was occasionally breathless and inchoate. It appears to have overstated the gravity of some administration officials’ warnings to the group and included dire projections from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, without clear attribution, that do not appear to have come from the gathering. The Times is publishing only the passages from the memo whose accuracy it has independently confirmed.

But the memo’s overarching message — that a devastating virus outbreak in the United States was increasingly likely to occur, and that government officials were more aware of the threat than they were letting on publicly — proved accurate.

[Smoove_B]

Thank you, Smoove. You have consistently been the shining star of this thread.

No problem - happy to help, though I'm kinda looking forward to a day where I can wax poetic about rare parasites and food temperatures.

What a surprise. The wealthy got a tip off about the impact of the virus while he lied to the people. The corruption is bottomless.

I'm sure serious consequences are being figured out right now.

[raydude]

Damn, Governor Cooper came out firing in his debate opening statement. He explained the reason the debate was behind plexiglass was because Forest had just attended a rally with no masks and no social distancing, and was a reckless act that endangered everyone in the room. Forest had no rebuttal.

Forest is a vehement anti-masker who sued Cooper over his mask mandate. He is a fucking slimeball.

Had to see the opening statement on Youtube after seeing your post YK. You're right, Forest just talked about his love for architecture and had no answer for the accusations. I'm glad Cooper is polling ahead and hope he wins!

[malchior]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MayorofLondo ... 1745395718

[YellowKing]

I can't read "Mayor of London" without envisioning something like this:

[El Guapo]

Without picturing postimages.org? That's very specific.

[stessier]

I see the image.

[El Guapo]

I see the image.

This this like an Emperor's New Clothes kind of situation?

[YellowKing]

I can delete it if it causes anyone else any issues. It's a bit of a lame joke anyway.

[malchior]

I see the image.

This this like an Emperor's New Clothes kind of situation?

Maybe. For me it depends on the angle between me and the screen. Or what speed my chair is spinning at.

[malchior]

People to Pelosi: Take the deal! Negotiate with the House Republicans

Trump:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1316742815569924097

[stessier]

I see the image.

This this like an Emperor's New Clothes kind of situation?

Maybe? Excepting the sash, it is what I've always thought you looked like.

[Defiant]

Two of Harris's staff members test positive.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/h ... r-covid-19

Joe Biden’s presidential campaign said Thursday that vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris will suspend in-person events until Monday after two people associated with the campaign tested positive for coronavirus. The campaign said Biden had no exposure, though he and Harris spent several hours campaigning together in Arizona on Oct. 8.

[Daehawk]

Dutch woman dies after catching Covid-19 twice, the first reported reinfection death

An elderly Dutch woman has become the first known person to die from catching Covid-19 twice, according to experts, raising serious questions about how long immunity and antibodies can last.
The woman, 89, suffered from a rare type of bone marrow cancer called Waldenström's macroglobulinemia. Her immune system was compromised due to the cell-depleting therapy she received, the researchers at Maastricht University Medical Center in the Netherlands wrote in a paper accepted for publication in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.
However, the researchers said her natural immune response could still have been "sufficient" to fight-off Covid-19, as the type of treatment she received for cancer "does not necessarily result in life threatening disease."

[El Guapo]

Two of Harris's staff members test positive.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/h ... r-covid-19

Joe Biden’s presidential campaign said Thursday that vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris will suspend in-person events until Monday after two people associated with the campaign tested positive for coronavirus. The campaign said Biden had no exposure, though he and Harris spent several hours campaigning together in Arizona on Oct. 8.

Jesus. Just keep Biden in an isolation bubble until at least November 4th, ok? We'll do ok without him.

[LawBeefaroni]

Two of Harris's staff members test positive.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/h ... r-covid-19

Joe Biden’s presidential campaign said Thursday that vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris will suspend in-person events until Monday after two people associated with the campaign tested positive for coronavirus. The campaign said Biden had no exposure, though he and Harris spent several hours campaigning together in Arizona on Oct. 8.

Jesus. Just keep Biden in an isolation bubble until at least November 4th, ok? We'll do ok without him.

GOP prayer/wet dream : Harris gets COVID and dies before election.

[stessier]

Two of Harris's staff members test positive.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/h ... r-covid-19

Joe Biden’s presidential campaign said Thursday that vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris will suspend in-person events until Monday after two people associated with the campaign tested positive for coronavirus. The campaign said Biden had no exposure, though he and Harris spent several hours campaigning together in Arizona on Oct. 8.

Jesus. Just keep Biden in an isolation bubble until at least November 4th, ok? We'll do ok without him.

GOP prayer/wet dream : Harris gets COVID and dies before election.

Would that change anything, though? Biden dying would be a problem constitutionally, from what I've read. Harris would just mean getting a new VP confirmed afterwards. (This of course presumes they win.)

[coopasonic]

I mean I would be super sad to lose Harris as I think she has a lot of promise.

[stessier]

I mean I would be super sad to lose Harris as I think she has a lot of promise.

Well yeah, obviously a lot would change for her.

[Paingod]

I mean I would be super sad to lose Harris as I think she has a lot of promise.

Well yeah, obviously a lot would change for her.

Like being dead?

If we lost Biden, would he become like a martyr? A battle cry at the polls?

[LawBeefaroni]

Two of Harris's staff members test positive.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/h ... r-covid-19

Joe Biden’s presidential campaign said Thursday that vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris will suspend in-person events until Monday after two people associated with the campaign tested positive for coronavirus. The campaign said Biden had no exposure, though he and Harris spent several hours campaigning together in Arizona on Oct. 8.

Jesus. Just keep Biden in an isolation bubble until at least November 4th, ok? We'll do ok without him.

GOP prayer/wet dream : Harris gets COVID and dies before election.

Would that change anything, though? Biden dying would be a problem constitutionally, from what I've read. Harris would just mean getting a new VP confirmed afterwards. (This of course presumes they win.)

I think it would. Biden/Harris is really a President/1st Term Replacement ticket in lot of peoples' minds. Having Biden's replacement being a question mark would be a problem. Also you're one bad day away from a wiped out ticket. Harris is the tough nut. Crack her first and Biden's easy.


Obviously Biden would still be their first choice.

[Defiant]

If we lost Biden, would he become like a martyr? A battle cry at the polls?

IIRC, there was a poll recently of Harris vs Trump which had the race closer (she maybe had a 3-4 point lead rather than a 7 or 8 point lead), but there were more undecided (so it's not as if Biden supporters jumped to support Trump).

[Defiant]

Christie was in the ICU

I believed that when I entered the White House grounds, that I had entered a safe zone,
due to the testing that and I and many others underwent every day. I was wrong. I was
wrong to not wear a mask at the Amy Coney Barrett announcement and I was wrong not
to wear a mask at my multiple debate prep sessions with the President and the rest of the
team. I hope that my experience shows my fellow citizens that you should follow CDC
guidelines in public no matter where you are and wear a mask to protect yourself and
others.

[El Guapo]

Christie is complicit in the adminstration's misdeeds, including as to COVID, but it is good that he put that statement out on the seriousness of his illness and how important it is to take it seriously. I'm not sure how wide Christie's audience is at this point, but still good.

[LawBeefaroni]

Ages old story. Brush with death causes evil turd man to take stock of his life and reconsider his misdeeds.

[YellowKing]

One of our neighboring county school systems decided they were going to move forward with "Plan A" which is 100% in-school attendance for all students, despite cases rising and a record one day case count this week.

Health department: "Are you out of your fucking minds?"

School system: "Ahhh did we say Plan A? We meant the opposite...."

Thankfully they listened and are reverting back.

Meanwhile, one Brunswick county school has had to shut down completely for 2 weeks due to an outbreak. Completely undermining Dan Forest's claim that "schools are opening with no outbreaks."

[LawBeefaroni]

At work we've reverted back to stricter protocols as we're seeing an increase in cases and severe cases.


Meanwhile Chicago public schools, which have been 100% remote, are phasing in hybrid for pre-K as a pilot. Reasoning is that younger kids are less likely to get infected and are not good spreaders. No idea of those are both true. But if so, great. What about the teachers, many of whom are in the worst COVID demographic? And suppose it works, do you roll it out to older kids who don't have the same COVID profile?



And a study came out today questioning the efficacy of Rendesivir in preventing COVID deaths. Gilead refutes, of course, but this puts a focus on EUAs and pinning all our hope on magic bullets.


Winter is definitely coming.

[noxiousdog]

Neither of those is true. They are more likely to be asymptomatic and very unlikely to die. But they are very good spreaders.

[LordMortis]

Ages old story. Brush with death causes evil turd man to take stock of his life and reconsider his misdeeds.

Seasons old story, the dangers of Covid are over rated and masks are extremist liberal propaganda as a stand in for socialism and a show of government to take your freedom until it's you whom are put in the hospital serious enough to think about your own mortality.

[Paingod]

Neither of those is true. They are more likely to be asymptomatic and very unlikely to die. But they are very good spreaders.

Ask any parent that suffers illness after illness after illness when their darling little tykes hit school for the first time. I swear we spent two years living with an adorable plague rat. His idea of wiping his nose (for the longest time) was to smear the trail of mucus up his face, across his forehead, and into his hair while snorting... then run off to play.

Then a couple years later the younger one did the same, but because we had caught everything in the community it was less intense. Still there, but less.

[LordMortis]

Neither of those is true. They are more likely to be asymptomatic and very unlikely to die. But they are very good spreaders.

This is both my (not informed) understanding and limited experience when looking at localized phenomena. Most of the non scientific stuff I read confirms my bias to it must be true.

Ask any parent that suffers illness after illness after illness when their darling little tykes hit school for the first time.

Or coworker who needs has (had) to work with them when they continue to come into work with illness after illness after illness. And not just first year, but every autumn through winter through their early education cycle.

[Smoove_B]

Not good folks, not good. 63K new cases yesterday. Prepare.

https://twitter.com/UNMC_DrKhan/status/ ... 9437995009

[Grifman]

Geez, we’re so stupid:

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1 ... 61057?s=21

I’m so ashamed to be an American.