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So that would be, what, one person at the Dem dinner?Smoove_B wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:57 pmHouse Dem and GOP leaders are holding respective dinners for new members.
Everything makes more sense when you think about the money. Ordering indoor dining closed will likely be a death sentence for a significant number of bar/restaurant owners in NYC at this point. Closing schools? They'll reopen next Fall no matter what.Defiant wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:03 pm It looks like NYC will probably close schools, but leave indoor dining open. That's an odd decision - my understanding is that indoor dining is a much bigger source of spread.
Ridiculous. Leadership is dead.Smoove_B wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:57 pm There really is nothing like completely undermining a message here. I don't care if this is 99% safe, the optics on this are terrible - particularly while people are legitimately struggling with months of self-imposed isolation. I don't understand why or how anyone would think this is a good look right now. It depresses and frustrates people like me and gives fuel to the people raging against government. There is absolutely no upside this provides to the public.
https://twitter.com/LACaldwellDC/status ... 0262765568
House Dem and GOP leaders are holding respective dinners for new members. .@SpeakerPelosi told me it’s safe. “It’s very spaced,” she said and there is enhanced ventilation and the Capitol physician signed off.
Of course the Feds are handling distribution so Trump can use it to settle his petty squabbles. Right now he's saying how NY won't get it until Cuomo basically prostates himself. People will die.LordMortis wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:29 pm Trump on TV attacking Pfizer for not endorsing Warp Speed. Also his lung capacity is for shit. He breaths about every 2.5 to 3 seconds while babbling and then breaths in like he projecting from singing. His hair is also grey now.
Indeed. Tone deaf. Shockingly insensitive and a terrible example to boot. It also demonstrates they have no fucking clue what is going on. A massive anti-elitist movement was threatening the Republic and the elites respond by partying in full view.LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:28 pmRidiculous. Leadership is dead.Smoove_B wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:57 pm There really is nothing like completely undermining a message here. I don't care if this is 99% safe, the optics on this are terrible - particularly while people are legitimately struggling with months of self-imposed isolation. I don't understand why or how anyone would think this is a good look right now. It depresses and frustrates people like me and gives fuel to the people raging against government. There is absolutely no upside this provides to the public.
https://twitter.com/LACaldwellDC/status ... 0262765568
House Dem and GOP leaders are holding respective dinners for new members. .@SpeakerPelosi told me it’s safe. “It’s very spaced,” she said and there is enhanced ventilation and the Capitol physician signed off.
malchior wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:40 pmIndeed. Tone deaf. Shockingly insensitive and a terrible example to boot. It also demonstrates they have no fucking clue what is going on. A massive anti-elitist movement was threatening the Republic and the elites respond by partying in full view.LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:28 pmRidiculous. Leadership is dead.Smoove_B wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:57 pm There really is nothing like completely undermining a message here. I don't care if this is 99% safe, the optics on this are terrible - particularly while people are legitimately struggling with months of self-imposed isolation. I don't understand why or how anyone would think this is a good look right now. It depresses and frustrates people like me and gives fuel to the people raging against government. There is absolutely no upside this provides to the public.
https://twitter.com/LACaldwellDC/status ... 0262765568
House Dem and GOP leaders are holding respective dinners for new members. .@SpeakerPelosi told me it’s safe. “It’s very spaced,” she said and there is enhanced ventilation and the Capitol physician signed off.
Elite overproduction creates counter-elites, and counter-elites look for allies among the commoners. If commoners’ living standards slip—not relative to the elites, but relative to what they had before—they accept the overtures of the counter-elites and start oiling the axles of their tumbrels. Commoners’ lives grow worse, and the few who try to pull themselves onto the elite lifeboat are pushed back into the water by those already aboard. The final trigger of impending collapse, Turchin says, tends to be state insolvency. At some point rising insecurity becomes expensive. The elites have to pacify unhappy citizens with handouts and freebies—and when these run out, they have to police dissent and oppress people. Eventually the state exhausts all short-term solutions, and what was heretofore a coherent civilization disintegrates.
malchior wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:43 pm They heard the outcry so they modified the event to be a 'model for the nation' by adding optional take out. JFC. This is just awful. I think they finally united us folks...in our collected disgust.
"And we'd have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that meddling Smoove..."Smoove_B wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:36 pmmalchior wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:43 pm They heard the outcry so they modified the event to be a 'model for the nation' by adding optional take out. JFC. This is just awful. I think they finally united us folks...in our collected disgust.
It's now completely pick up. I'm not going to pretend my shame tweet to all the organizers and sponsors helped, but who knows?
https://twitter.com/Drew_Hammill/status ... 8440415237
More than 130 Secret Service agents are sick or quarantined thanks to trump's campaigning.Enough wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:57 pm Better idea, be a model for the nation & hold off on your fancy-pants party for now. Why endanger lives of essential workers who make these events possible? Hold off until numbers improve or all get vaccinated. Do you expect the public to do the right thing, when you will not?
LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:39 pm "And we'd have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that meddling Smoove..."
Q: So how do you get people to wear masks?
A: It’s a challenging one, because the issue has been so politicized. But in my mind, it’s like politicizing toilet paper. It’s a basic hygienic measure. It’s not about your political party. And we need to somehow break through that.
I will say people are doing better. If you look at the surveys, people are not perfect about wearing masks, but they are wearing them more. Part of this is also just letting people know that this is becoming the social norm. People are more likely to do something if they feel like everybody else is doing it.
This week, Ashley Wann, health director of the Phelps-Maries County Health Department, told The Daily Beast that up to 200 Rolla High School students—and “numerous” parents—gathered indoors at Matt’s Steakhouse on Saturday, Nov. 7. Wann called it “a parent-organized event,” and the department has said students from the freshman through senior classes were present.
“The individuals that we have been in contact with all report no masks were worn and that masks were made optional by the event organizers,” Wann told The Daily Beast.
When the inevitable COVID-19 cases started popping up, Wann said her department’s job was made harder by the fact that there was no list of attendees.
This wasn’t an accident: The health department was told “by community members and those in attendance” that organizers intentionally hid the number and identity of those in attendance to avoid contact tracing in the event of an outbreak, according to Wann. That account of deliberate epidemiological obfuscation was bolstered by a handful of accounts from residents.
As of Friday, there were seven cases tied to the event and several others at Rolla High School among students and staff members, Wann told The Daily Beast. She was not optimistic about her department’s ability to link all relevant cases.
My peers are saying we need to stop shaming people. Counterpoint: stop doing shameful things.“So my friend and I did a thing yesterday,” local parent Cory Coates posted on Facebook after the dance. “We did a REALLY big thing. And we had a lot of support. And a lot of help. And a lot of really happy kids. And it was kind of amazing. And I really want to recognize and thank these people but I can’t. But my heart is full and I think the kids are happy and it was worth it. I would do it again. I’m happy and sad at the same time and I want normalcy. I think we delivered this for one night. #HOCORHS2020.”
That hashtag appeared to mirror the slogan “HOCO: Sailing out of 2020,” which was featured in a screenshot from Snapchat shared with The Daily Beast on Friday that showed details of the event over a nautical motif and asked parents who wanted to contribute or help with organizing to contact Coates.
“Let’s do this thing!” said the post.
Didn't I say people would intentionally undermine contact tracers? They're actively working to increase spread. Fuck these people.Smoove_B wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:17 pm
My peers are saying we need to stop shaming people. Counterpoint: stop doing shameful things.
The only thing I find more depressing than what is about to happen with the pandemic here in the US, is the knowledge that the people who are minimizing it now will still be there after with excuses and no remorse
As someone connected to public health (i.e. "the government") I can assure you we are absolutely doing things about smoking deaths. As has been pointed out, they're down significantly since the 1970s and decades of education and taxation (part of what we refer to as the socio-economic approach).stimpy wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:25 pm The point being that if the government was so concerned about saving lives, they would have done something about the smoking deaths long ago.
Again....not my stance.
Yeah, there's definitely an element of that and I'll leave it to the academics and lawyers to debate the elements of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The issue always comes back to what's happening right now - the choices individuals make potentially impact the health of others in their community. Whether its smoking, recycling, or vaccinations) - there's real potential to ripple out. For something like smoking, you're right - sitting in your house and smoking 2 packs a day doesn't impact me directly. Unless you're 67 years old and I'm on the hook for your medical treatments associated with a lifetime of cigarette use.I've always been of the mind that if you want to ignore the skulls and warnings on your cancer sticks, be my guest. You're stupidity will cost me money, but it's your life.
Welcome to my existence.I was trying to point out that no matter what the government, who takes their cues from the CDC if I'm not mistaken, thinks that passing mandates on how the public should act to combat the virus, they are going up against people that will point to facts like the one I posted.
To me it's a losing battle.
But seriously, I need to believe (at my core) that people want to ultimately do the right thing - for themselves and for others. If I lose my grip on that, I might as well find a new profession because it can't work otherwise. I'm learning that there's a significant number of people that do not want to do the right things and aren't interested in learning more, but maybe (just maybe) there are still more people that are genuinely interested in following guidance and recommendations from the scientific and public health community. 
It's a meme, and an easily disproven one, not a fact.
Let me know when the mask lobby is as powerful as the tobacco lobby.stimpy wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:07 pm Let me be clear that I wear a mask and practice all the suggestions of social distancing and sanitizing.
But whenever I hear that people are waiting on the government to fix this for us, all I can think of is how does that happen when stuff like this is out there for anti-maskers to point to?
No. And to use your logic, you cant catch covid from someone who doesnt have it either. What's your point?Alefroth wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:44 pmLet me know when the mask lobby is as powerful as the tobacco lobby.stimpy wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:07 pm Let me be clear that I wear a mask and practice all the suggestions of social distancing and sanitizing.
But whenever I hear that people are waiting on the government to fix this for us, all I can think of is how does that happen when stuff like this is out there for anti-maskers to point to?
Can I catch second hand smoke from a non-smoker?
